Tren: What You Might Not Know

[beameupscotty]

It is not bologna, I know several people who abused MDMA and are now clinically depressed on heavy duty SSRI's, if they weren't on them they would have probably commited suicide long time ago. As with anything, there is a difference between use and ABuse of anything, drugs, steroids etcm if you ABuse your risk of causing permanent damage is much higher.

Unfortunately, a statement like this doesn't account for exaggeration or acceleration of a preexisting psychological condition. I could say the opposite of your statement and tell you of numerous people who abused LSD, MDMA, or similar substances who were once "clinically depressed" and are now no longer suffering from any form of depression (myself included).

Most people who abuse drugs do so to mask an underlying psychological condition, so of course the longer-term effects of a drug abuser would differ from that of recreational drug user for two reasons: one, exacerbated mental illness as a result of drug abuse and two, a drug abuser usually ingests a much higher volume of chemicals with a much higher frequency of ingestion.

 

[manafest]

The biggest thing about tren( and other aas )is Most uses doses bigger then what they use in the cattle industry, remember a cow is 1,000lbs we are sub par humans most using tren on these days are sub 225 with a 700mg and above weekly of tren a from china or component pellett of 700mg and above weekly and wonder why you have so many of the negative sides.. try 200mg weekly and 200mg weekly of test even use some mast any whatever else that equates to no more then 1000mg total of hormones and focus the rest on diet and sleep and your workouts and general life with be all that much more healthy...I guess i see it this way none of you even on meso are top rated pros so why wreck havoc on your body year after year to have a body that wouldnt even qualifiy for a pro show...using small moderate amounts to help you be the best you can be and stay healthier is key...Internet in some ways is ruining aas and manking the abuse of steriods these days climb high...My 2 cents (Yes i myself fell into the catagory of larger doses at one point then realized i could it it all the same with much much less)

 

[Heavygear]

Unfortunately, a statement like this doesn't account for exaggeration or acceleration of a preexisting psychological condition. I could say the opposite of your statement and tell you of numerous people who abused LSD, MDMA, or similar substances who were once "clinically depressed" and are now no longer suffering from any form of depression (myself included).

Most people who abuse drugs do so to mask an underlying psychological condition, so of course the longer-term effects of a drug abuser would differ from that of recreational drug user for two reasons: one, exacerbated mental illness as a result of drug abuse and two, a drug abuser usually ingests a much higher volume of chemicals with a much higher frequency of ingestion.

SSRI's prescribed like candy these days are very dangerous, however there is a small percentage of population that do actually need them and they have helped to save lives.

 

[Heavygear]

The biggest thing about tren( and other aas )is Most uses doses bigger then what they use in the cattle industry, remember a cow is 1,000lbs we are sub par humans most using tren on these days are sub 225 with a 700mg and above weekly of tren a from china or component pellett of 700mg and above weekly and wonder why you have so many of the negative sides.. try 200mg weekly and 200mg weekly of test even use some mast any whatever else that equates to no more then 1000mg total of hormones and focus the rest on diet and sleep and your workouts and general life with be all that much more healthy...I guess i see it this way none of you even on meso are top rated pros so why wreck havoc on your body year after year to have a body that wouldnt even qualifiy for a pro show...using small moderate amounts to help you be the best you can be and stay healthier is key...Internet in some ways is ruining aas and manking the abuse of steriods these days climb high...My 2 cents (Yes i myself fell into the catagory of larger doses at one point then realized i could it it all the same with much much less)

Agreed, less is more, especially with Tren

 

[Dafatguy]

The shit you read these days..The doses you read these days..Eat,Rest, Lift hard as hell whatever works for you...Take Less amounts of AAS doses then what you parrot read and you will make gains your entire lifting career..Don't worry about what works for the parrots in other trees Find what works for you..!

Back in the day of early pellet prepping 40mg a day was the normal dose for tren. Long cycles lower doses. Worked good but guys dieted and trained harder then. There were less drugs to compensate with then. And juice was way more expensive for most. Tren is an amazing compound depends on how you train diet and your goals. Your dosage may vary lol.

 

[manafest]

Back in the day of early pellet prepping 40mg a day was the normal dose for tren. Long cycles lower doses. Worked good but guys dieted and trained harder then. There were less drugs to compensate with then. And juice was way more expensive for most. Tren is an amazing compound depends on how you train diet and your goals. Your dosage may vary lol.

agreed...everyone want to slam as much hormones into their bodies and tons of awful food and think thats quality muscle..

 

[antipcman]

SSRI's prescribed like candy these days are very dangerous, however there is a small percentage of population that do actually need them and they have helped to save lives.

The American Health Field has been infected with prescription drug abuse. Many people blame the doctors and sometimes they are to blame; e.g. SSRIs in too many "depressed" people, especially people in developmental stages. In other cases, doctors are forced to prescribe pain meds to people who probably do not need them. In some states if the doctor accuses the person of being a drug abuser and refuse opiates, that doctor can get into trouble. It's such a hypocrisy because the only legit argument against marijuana is that it is a gateway drug. That argument quickly loses credibility as Alcohol is a gateway drug with significantly more severe consequences and prescription opiates are a direct gateway to heroine addiction. Many of the circumstances where a patient is prescribed anxiety medicine as well as pain medicine could be remedied with marijuana. You are talking about 2 public health crises that could be fixed by substituting a less damaging drug.

Back in the day of early pellet prepping 40mg a day was the normal dose for tren. Long cycles lower doses. Worked good but guys dieted and trained harder then. There were less drugs to compensate with then. And juice was way more expensive for most. Tren is an amazing compound depends on how you train diet and your goals. Your dosage may vary lol.

I know of a guy who swears by 30mg/day of Tren Ace. Every time he runs it he gets massive and his strength gains are otherworldly. 40mg/day for him is just barely tolerable while anything more has him puking. I think he is just Tren-sensitive or "trensitive." Probably not a bad problem to have if his gains on so little equate to so much.

 

[Big_paul]

The problem is in what we don't know yet about Tren

I have used it for many years. Im confident in saying more than anyone i have ever known, and imo it is the most powerful and versatile AAS I have ever used if it is stacked right, with no more problems than with other AAS. dbol and drol are way more toxic to me anyway.

A lot of guys seem to have a problem with it, but just as many don't. If someone begins to use tren and is psyched out before he even begings his cycle or he doesn't use the right dosage, chances are he may have a problem whether real or more likely imagined.

 

[Leonard Washington]

I have not touched tren yet but in my earlier days I was perscribed ADHD medicine for the first time. I was given a moderate dose to see if I would go up or need to come down in Mg. This dose was considered the average dose with this particular brand drug. Mentally I thought with it being in the middle in Mg I would most likely go up for whatever reason. I suffered side effects but also felt the drug run it's course daily. I became fixated on going up in dosage and I did but instead of feeling the side effects periodically it became daily and almost natural to not eat or sleep while also feeling depressed. I battled the side effects to a point of being a nervous wreck. I began to cut my dosage in half over a period of time. I started to feel the effects of the drug but I also felt like myself personality wise. I no longer take the medication as I feel like it did what it needed to do. Point of this long ass story is that less can be more from my experience and I would def watch my dosage accordinally. I wouldn't feel comfortable taking this drug if I didn't have that mental experience firsthand.

 

[Big_paul]

I think they are pussies. Get a fucking grip.

 

[Leonard Washington]

I think they are pussies. Get a fucking grip.

Yeah In a nutshell do the drug don't let the drug do you lmao

 

[Big_paul]

Yeah In a nutshell do the drug don't let the drug do you lmao

Yes.

 

[Heavygear]

Many of the circumstances where a patient is prescribed anxiety medicine as well as pain medicine could be remedied with marijuana. You are talking about 2 public health crises that could be fixed by substituting a less damaging drug..

Se there you go, generalizing, to many people, myself included, MJ gives EXTREME anxiety, MJ is hardly a miracle cure it all drug that everyone seems to say it is.

 

[brutus79]

Se there you go, generalizing, to many people, myself included, MJ gives EXTREME anxiety, MJ is hardly a miracle cure it all drug that everyone seems to say it is.

So you are generalizing in response to his generalizations? Sound counter argument. Lol. Weed makes you paranoid, so it is not effective. PubMed stuff right there.

 

[MindlessWork]

So you are generalizing in response to his generalizations? Sound counter argument. Lol. Weed makes you paranoid, so it is not effective. PubMed stuff right there.

Weed made me calmer and mellower as I had smoked it quite a bit when I was a college student, as I was battling depression. Haven't smoked it regularly though in quite a few years. I did not get the paranoid feeling though.

 

[franchise24]

I will chine in here. As I will say this cycle that I am on now, I would consider abuse instead of safe use of AAS. I don't suggest, recommend or condone this cycle. I chose to do this cycle out experimentation to see how I my body can handle this high does cycle.

2 grams of test e
1 gram of tren e
750 mg of deca
Just started drol at 100mg/day

I am 6 weeks from the end of my cycle. Blood pressure is in check, lipids in check, e2 in check. I had my blood pressure taking one time while I was donating and it was 116/75.

This was a 20 week cycle.

Now the questions some might ask:

1. Sides from high doses of tren or test: I had no sides when I started at 800mg/week. Once I went up to 1 gram insomnia kicked in only for a few weeks then my body regulated. I do experience some lethargy. But I have realized that if I don't eat or get in enough carbs is when I am lethargic and acting like a ass or little bitch. So I have learned to to keep that in check. Next thing at a 1 gram of tren I can't the weight gain is really gradual. I am taking in 6000 calories a day. My TDEE says I only need 3000 calories a day. In my case what I theorize is that the tren is feeding off everything I eat. Meaning I need to get close to triple the amount of calories than I would normally need to bulk without tren. Strength. HAHA. Through the fucking roof!!
2. Would I ran tren or this cycle again for such a long time? NO I won't. I was extremely overzealous after being off cycle for more than 8 months working on getting my wife pregnant. I would run another high dose cycle again but for a much shorter time. 8-12 weeks. More like 8 weeks.

Once this cycle is done. I will be off for more than 20 weeks. I am shooting for 40 weeks off. Just will be running trt dosage of test. I know that my body is going to need time to recover from the abuse.

Once again I don't suggest, recommend or condone this abuse. This was purely and experiment I wanted to do to see how my body reacted and also being overzealous from being of for 8 months or more.

 

[manafest]

just be careful ...

I will chine in here. As I will say this cycle that I am on now, I would consider abuse instead of safe use of AAS. I don't suggest, recommend or condone this cycle. I chose to do this cycle out experimentation to see how I my body can handle this high does cycle.

2 grams of test e
1 gram of tren e
750 mg of deca
Just started drol at 100mg/day

I am 6 weeks from the end of my cycle. Blood pressure is in check, lipids in check, e2 in check. I had my blood pressure taking one time while I was donating and it was 116/75.

This was a 20 week cycle.

Now the questions some might ask:

1. Sides from high doses of tren or test: I had no sides when I started at 800mg/week. Once I went up to 1 gram insomnia kicked in only for a few weeks then my body regulated. I do experience some lethargy. But I have realized that if I don't eat or get in enough carbs is when I am lethargic and acting like a ass or little bitch. So I have learned to to keep that in check. Next thing at a 1 gram of tren I can't the weight gain is really gradual. I am taking in 6000 calories a day. My TDEE says I only need 3000 calories a day. In my case what I theorize is that the tren is feeding off everything I eat. Meaning I need to get close to triple the amount of calories than I would normally need to bulk without tren. Strength. HAHA. Through the fucking roof!!
2. Would I ran tren or this cycle again for such a long time? NO I won't. I was extremely overzealous after being off cycle for more than 8 months working on getting my wife pregnant. I would run another high dose cycle again but for a much shorter time. 8-12 weeks. More like 8 weeks.

Once this cycle is done. I will be off for more than 20 weeks. I am shooting for 40 weeks off. Just will be running trt dosage of test. I know that my body is going to need time to recover from the abuse.

Once again I don't suggest, recommend or condone this abuse. This was purely and experiment I wanted to do to see how my body reacted and also being overzealous from being of for 8 months or more.

monitor everything

 

[Redrum42]

The American Health Field has been infected with prescription drug abuse. Many people blame the doctors and sometimes they are to blame; e.g. SSRIs in too many "depressed" people, especially people in developmental stages. In other cases, doctors are forced to prescribe pain meds to people who probably do not need them. In some states if the doctor accuses the person of being a drug abuser and refuse opiates, that doctor can get into trouble. It's such a hypocrisy because the only legit argument against marijuana is that it is a gateway drug. That argument quickly loses credibility as Alcohol is a gateway drug with significantly more severe consequences and prescription opiates are a direct gateway to heroine addiction. Many of the circumstances where a patient is prescribed anxiety medicine as well as pain medicine could be remedied with marijuana. You are talking about 2 public health crises that could be fixed by substituting a less damaging drug.






I know of a guy who swears by 30mg/day of Tren Ace. Every time he runs it he gets massive and his strength gains are otherworldly. 40mg/day for him is just barely tolerable while anything more has him puking. I think he is just Tren-sensitive or "trensitive." Probably not a bad problem to have if his gains on so little equate to so much.

I agree very much with this except the opiate based pain medication part- specifically yes up until maybe 2010 they were "pushers"; doctors and people in the medical field receiving major benefits to prescribing certain opiates (oxycontin especially) and often played down or outright lied about the danger of addiction. (I should know, years back my oxy Dr told me "3% or less of people prescribed oxy ever become addicted") anyway that is no longer the case. It has started to swing back the other direction, where people who really new opiates have a hard time getting them. All would be less complicated if marijuana were always presented as an option before opiates, like you said.

Also, running 25-35mg tren ace a day, never more, has resulted in insane growth and simultaneous fat loss. (Along with 250/week test) Imho people who run more (500+mg/week especially) are either extremely advanced and big, getting bunk, or trying to make up for bad diet and training. And 700mg/week cycles are a hell of a lot more common than big, ripped, pro bb'ers

 

[Throwback]

I agree very much with this except the opiate based pain medication part- specifically yes up until maybe 2010 they were "pushers"; doctors and people in the medical field receiving major benefits to prescribing certain opiates (oxycontin especially) and often played down or outright lied about the danger of addiction. (I should know, years back my oxy Dr told me "3% or less of people prescribed oxy ever become addicted") anyway that is no longer the case. It has started to swing back the other direction, where people who really new opiates have a hard time getting them. All would be less complicated if marijuana were always presented as an option before opiates, like you said.

Also, running 25-35mg tren ace a day, never more, has resulted in insane growth and simultaneous fat loss. (Along with 250/week test) Imho people who run more (500+mg/week especially) are either extremely advanced and big, getting bunk, or trying to make up for bad diet and training. And 700mg/week cycles are a hell of a lot more common than big, ripped, pro bb'ers

Can you give us an idea of insane growth at those doses?
Not being smart...i have always ran 400 to 700mg tren on top of test etc.
Got a blast coming up and i am trying to get a plan together.
My last one nov to feb added about 20 lbs which when cut back netted about 8. That was on 750 test 600 tren e with a 3 week 30 mg dbol kickstart.
Just wondering about your results.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Can you give us an idea of insane growth at those doses?
Not being smart...i have always ran 400 to 700mg tren on top of test etc.
Got a blast coming up and i am trying to get a plan together.
My last one nov to feb added about 20 lbs which when cut back netted about 8. That was on 750 test 600 tren e with a 3 week 30 mg dbol kickstart.
Just wondering about your results.

I think he's saying less is more.