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[flenser]

"The process of renouncing one's citizenship is currently absurdly arduous and expensive."
Don't want to get off the subject but you have two citizenships. State and federal.

It's only the federal government that haunts US citizens for life, no mater where they live or what countries grant them citizenship. Even after renouncing citizenship, the IRS will go after all sorts of income regardless of where or when it was made. The IRS also applies estate tax laws to expats, as if they committed suicide rather than moved to a new home.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I don't consider voter fraud a problem myself. The problem is voting at all.

So you have no position on the voter ID issue?

You need to clarify "the problem is voting at all" - what are your alternatives then?
Armed revolution? Monarchy or some other form of inherited ruler/despot?

Sounds seriously OT however, new thread I guess.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

It's only the federal government that haunts US citizens for life, no mater where they live or what countries grant them citizenship. Even after renouncing citizenship, the IRS will go after all sorts of income regardless of where or when it was made. The IRS also applies estate tax laws to expats, as if they committed suicide rather than moved to a new home.

Hey, let's not exaggerate now, the country of Eritrea also taxes citizens living overseas. ;-)

Seriously though, the US should switch to residency based taxation, just as every other country on the planet. Presumably the liberals will scream bloody murder over that, as they consider any money you have (that you didn't get from the government) to be theirs.

 

[kawilt]

It's only the federal government that haunts US citizens for life, no mater where they live or what countries grant them citizenship. Even after renouncing citizenship, the IRS will go after all sorts of income regardless of where or when it was made. The IRS also applies estate tax laws to expats, as if they committed suicide rather than moved to a new home.

Only if you have a SSN..... Like I said...Don't want to get off track here... this needs it's own thread.

 

[flenser]

So you have no position on the voter ID issue?

You need to clarify "the problem is voting at all" - what are your alternatives then?
Armed revolution? Monarchy or some other form of inherited ruler/despot?

Sounds seriously OT however, new thread I guess.

It would definitely take a different thread to discuss this; not sure I have the energy for one of those discussions. In general, though, individual voting implies the voter still thinks he has some control over the process by doing so. I disagree. It's a statistics thing, and doesn't require a lot of math to prove. So the problem, as I see it, is the belief that voting empowers the voter, when it really only empowers the government.

There are no alternatives to voting, other than not voting. As a personal act, each has the exact same physical results (assuming you don't value "I voted" buttons). I feel better having not voted for a tyrant, though. And as I demonstrate here daily, no one has revoked my right to bitch about the government for not voting : )

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[Docd187123]

But not your mother huh? Interesting.

My girl and I have spoken about it before because our kids would be eligible as dual citizens but she's not a citizen and I doubt she'll ever be unless she wins the lottery.

No. A woman in the Republic of Lebanon cannot confer citizenship neither to her children nor her foreign spouse. Only men can pass on citizenship. A little discriminatory yes

 

[Docd187123]

But not your mother huh? Interesting.

My girl and I have spoken about it before because our kids would be eligible as dual citizens but she's not a citizen and I doubt she'll ever be unless she wins the lottery.

Does she want to become a citizen or no?

 

[kawilt]

War Dept training manual No. 2000-25

Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff. CITIZENSHIP
This manual supersedes Manual of Citizenship Training The use of the publication "The Constitution of the United States," by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author.

CITIZENSHIP Democracy:


A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy

CITIZENSHIP Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of

(1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."



"By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General.



WHY DEMOCRACIES FAIL

A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship.(Written by Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago while our thirteen original states were still colonies of Great Britain. At the time he was writing of the decline and fall of the Athenian Republic over two thousand years before.



"Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive."

Westbrook Pegler: New York Journal American, January 25th and 26th, 1951, under the titles- Upholds Republic of U.S. Against Phony Democracy, Democracy in the U.S. Branded Meaningless

 

[Eman]

Does she want to become a citizen or no?

She's somewhat undecided I suppose but probably not. She is proud of where she comes from and doesn't want to denounce it, I don't blame her. She would if she won the lottery though, I think that is a citizenship system.

She's more interested in becoming a permanent resident.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Correct. Lebanon recognizes dual citizenship. I'm considered a citizen by descent since I was born, and my parents applied for my Lebanese citizenship before my father was granted US citizenship.

In Lebanon, you're considered a citizen if your father is a citizen and you make an application to the Lebanese Embassy if you're born outside of Lebanon.

I been to Lebanon
















Pennsylvania
It was so exotic

 

[Docd187123]

She's somewhat undecided I suppose but probably not. She is proud of where she comes from and doesn't want to denounce it, I don't blame her. She would if she won the lottery though, I think that is a citizenship system.

She's more interested in becoming a permanent resident.

Becoming a permanent resident is pretty easy I think. My girl is a permanent resident.

When I'm asked what I am I answer with Lebanese

 

[Docd187123]

I been to Lebanon

Pennsylvania
It was so exotic

I've been there too! There's also a Lebanon, CT lol

 

[Eman]

Becoming a permanent resident is pretty easy I think. My girl is a permanent resident.

When I'm asked what I am I answer with Lebanese

In her situation it shouldn't be too hard. She's able to obtain a job pretty easily in a field shes very well suited for, counseling international students. Speaks multiple languages.

With that said, the paths to naturalization in this country are archaic and obscure for the most part... It's no surprise illegal immigration is so prevalent, the US has made it the only option for the vast majority of those that seek to come here for the American dream.

and yes lol, she would always respond with the same kind of response... German through and through. It's funny, I could become a German citizen three times over before she'd be a third of the way through the same process for America.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[Big_paul]

I been to Lebanon
















Pennsylvania
It was so exotic

I have been to Lebanon Oregon. If you never been there, you are not missing much.

 

[Michael Scally MD]