Understanding DNP practice

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Hey everyone. One of my students (Niroshan) and I are trying to understand the practice of DNP in bodybuilding. Can you please help by correcting or adding to the below? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Sorry it is so long but we want to understand properly. Feel free to only answer part.


1. What substances should you and shouldn’t you use with DNP?

(a) What shouldn’t you use with DNP? We’ve heard alcohol, illicit drugs like ecstasy, any others? Certain AASs?

(b) What should you or do you use with DNP? Certain AASs? pre-workouts? other fat loss supplements?

2. How do you practice DNP?

From my understanding you should:

(a) probably start with a low dose first (i.e. 200mg) and slowly increase after a minimum of 4 days if you need more, up to a maximum dose around 600-800mg.

(b) not be on DNP for more than 10 days.

(c) eat mostly fat and protein, avoiding carbohydrates where possible, to avoid excessive heat.

(d) avoid using DNP before sleep so that you don’t get night sweats.

(e) use air-conditioning and cold showers to stay cool.

Is this correct? How does this align with your practices? Is there anything I missed that you might do to reduce risk?


3. What is your understanding of DNP in terms of:

(a) how it works in the body?

(b) risks and side effects?

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

I’ve never heard in my life of anyone who knows what they’re doing running dnp.

Is it even possible to know what you're doing re DNP in your opinion?

 

[Dead]

Is it even possible to know what you're doing re DNP in your opinion?

Yes I meant people who know how to achieve these amazing physiques know that dnp is a joke. Ask the vets on this forum I still consider myself beginner status by far.

Regarding actual using dnp there are basic guidelines. Dosing protocol, people are aware of cumulative build up in the blood for example 200mg daily will build up due to the half life.

Regarding any drug no one fully knows what they are doing. Not even in the medical community. Everyone reacts differently to drugs, metabolism of drugs, enzyme reactions in the body due to genetic differences etc. look at accutane and the results dependent on bodyweight and dosing and side effects.

All of this is experimental with enough anecdotal evidence to give general guidelines. It’s the exact same with anything. Not regarding drugs. For example training the gym, people respond differently to volume vs intensity, carbs vs fats etc.

So yes there are basic guidelines on how to take it and survive. But do u have some sort of technological monitoring device that is giving you reports on what exactly is happening specific to your bichemistry? No. And no one ever will.

 

[Dead]

The closest we have is bloodwork. And that’s just scratching the surface


Tell me this, how can anyone taking a chemical that literally explodes if you hold a lighter to it, know what they are doing with it by ingesting it?

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

The closest we have is bloodwork. And that’s just scratching the surface

It's interesting that you mention bloodwork as I've just submitted a paper on the harm reduction practices of enhanced bodybuilders, and in it I talk about the positives of bloodwork but also the limitations, especially when the results are read in isolation and often by people with limited understanding. I call for better medical monitoring so that individuals don't have to do it themselves

 

[Dead]

It's interesting that you mention bloodwork as I've just submitted a paper on the harm reduction practices of enhanced bodybuilders, and in it I talk about the positives of bloodwork but also the limitations, especially when the results are read in isolation and often by people with limited understanding. I call for better medical monitoring so that individuals don't have to do it themselves

Won’t ever happen. It’s not a crisis like the heroin epidemic. No one cares, no ones gonna overdose on steroids. No ones getting shot over bags of testosterone.

I think to try to improve monitoring of patients who abuse illegal drugs specifically to improve appearance is over-reaching and would more likely occur in a “perfect world” scenario.

Maybe if this was the uk where steroids are legal.

Not to mention, the moment you even tell anybody that u take steroids they take it so personal whether that be envy or jealousy, that opinion seems to float around everywhere. Not just with the masses but with the medical community as well. I’ve had doctors look at me differently after mentioning steroid use. Ima bet it’s got something to do with the appearance, the syringes and the legality of it all.

Everyone knows the risks they take when they do this. Or atleast they think they do.

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

1) Everything we take can make training harder but dnp especially. It’s a double edged sword

2)yes to the first part. No to the second. You can’t exhaust all options regarding fat loss all it takes is caloric deficit. U don’t need any drugs to cause that. Dnp is strictly for those looking for a magic pill. I’ve never heard in my life of anyone who knows what they’re doing running dnp. It’s just a fad in the casual gym goer world who takes drugs. I’m sure it would be laughed at in the world of professional bodybuilding

I’m sure you’ll see all sorts of shit about dnp on reddit. You won’t on these kind of forums. Atleast not as much

Thanks. I get the impression that some AAS can assist with training (i.e. increase aggression) or make it more satisfying (e.g. insulin pump).
Yes I might have to try some other forums. I get the impression that people on meso are more risk averse and therefore less likely to use DNP

 

[Dead]

Thanks. I get the impression that some AAS can assist with training (i.e. increase aggression) or make it more satisfying (e.g. insulin pump).
Yes I might have to try some other forums. I get the impression that people on meso are more risk averse and therefore less likely to use DNP

I’d agree

 

[LeoTC]

Thanks. I get the impression that some AAS can assist with training (i.e. increase aggression) or make it more satisfying (e.g. insulin pump).
Yes I might have to try some other forums. I get the impression that people on meso are more risk averse and therefore less likely to use DNP

Not at all, there are two fairly active sources in the UG.

Board has just been slow, or they may be populated by members that dont venture to the other boards often.

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Won’t ever happen. It’s not a crisis like the heroin epidemic. No one cares, no ones gonna overdose on steroids. No ones getting shot over bags of testosterone.

Funny you say that as Harrison Pope reckons the epidemic is just around the corner. I'm not sure I agree with the scaremongering but he knows more about the health consequences than me.

I think to try to improve monitoring of patients who abuse illegal drugs specifically to improve appearance is over-reaching and would more likely occur in a “perfect world” scen

I'm idealistic. I'm hoping it will happen. There's a lot of emphasis on harm reduction these days.

I’ve had doctors look at me differently after mentioning steroid use.

We're doing work in Australia to improve GPs understanding and support of users. There will be limits on what support can be provided but there are some signs of change here and in the UK.
It may be a long shot but I'm not giving up on my dream!

 

[Eman]

That's really useful, thanks so much Eman how long would you typically stay on, and what would be the max time on?

I think 4 weeks is the longest I've ever been on.

I wouldn't expect anyone to stay on for much longer than that but you could... You could stay on for months if your heart so desired.

 

[Havah]

Dnp is quite interesting as the clincal undesirable side effets are seen quite quickly after starting the cycle, which is why - along with insuline - it s usage is usually mocked on pieds forums

Fact is we have zero clue if DNP is more dangerous than say trenbolone but its really fascinating how the average pied user fails to grasp the concept of long term side effects, and its very possible a bunch of DNP cycles are a lot less dangerous than a couple of 700mg a week tren cycles, yet one is considered "standard" if not "safe" and the other is "life threatening"

One could go as far as saying that emphazing on DNP's toxicity is a way for users to give other PIEDs usage some legitimacy

Im glad youre spending time on this @MairUnderwood(Researcher)

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Dnp is quite interesting as the clincal undesirable side effets are seen quite quickly after starting the cycle, which is why - along with insuline - it s usage is usually mocked on pieds forums

Fact is we have zero clue if DNP is more dangerous than say trenbolone but its really fascinating how the average pied user fails to grasp the concept of long term side effects, and its very possible a bunch of DNP cycles are a lot less dangerous than a couple of 700mg a week tren cycles, yet one is considered "standard" if not "safe" and the other is "life threatening"

One could go as far as saying that emphazing on DNP's toxicity is a way for users to give other PIEDs usage some legitimacy

Im glad youre spending time on this @MairUnderwood(Researcher)

Thanks heaps. I have noticed that dnp is put in the same category as insulin. I wonder if it's the possibility of immediate death (even if unlikely)? For many it seems that dnp and insulin are the boundary of acceptable or appropriate enhancement. And yes, I agree that some people seem to use that boundary to justify the risks they take, kinda “well at least I'm not using insulin and dnp”. But if you talk to consumers of these they say both can be used safely.
Some (nowhere near as many) include tren with insulin and dnp as too risky but usually after having experienced it (and bad sides). Dnp and insulin seem to be put in that category without direct experience. Again maybe because of the threat of immediate death.
The difference between insulin and dnp seems to be that insulin is thought of as somewhat necessary to get to a certain level of bodybuilding (not all agree but a lot do) but dnp is not. Would you agree?

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Im glad youre spending time on this @MairUnderwood(Researcher)

And thanks I really appreciate your appreciation of what I do @Havah , it means a lot to me to have this support

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Why you being such a dick?!

I actually pressed ignore on that retard after that one. Sick of seeing the angry old fuck just insult 24/7. Usually I’m the toxic one. Biggest ego fuck Face I’ve encountered on this forum so far. Haven’t Had an interactions with him and I still just think he’s the biggest fuck tard. Glad it isn’t me that thinks so.

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Biggest ego fuck Face

 

[OnTheRize]

I actually pressed ignore on that retard after that one. Sick of seeing the angry old fuck just insult 24/7. Usually I’m the toxic one. Biggest ego fuck Face I’ve encountered on this forum so far. Haven’t Had an interactions with him and I still just think he’s the biggest fuck tard. Glad it isn’t me that thinks so.

I think I know who was giving @MairUnderwood(Researcher) shit over this question. I figured it out after you mentioned hitting the ignore button. I've only really felt the need to hit the ignore button on one member here. I caught shit from this guy when I was only a couple days into this forum. I started looking at other posts he made and realized he wasn't really a reasonable guy the vast majority of the time...though he is a long standing member of Meso. He probably has some good advice, suggestions, is very knowledgeable, etc...but the bullshit outways the quality content that I could glean from his posts. Whatever he said, a vitriolic reaction from @Logan44551 warrants that he was being a douche bag. Not every member of Meso is going to be trusting or welcoming of you here...they have their reasons.
Those who aren't up for having you here can have more dignity in their responses than whatever was said to you or not respond at all if they choose. You don't appear to be a threat and are more than likely quite the opposite to the AAS community as a whole IMO.
I'm only one member here but there are others who are glad you're doing the work your doing. This field of medicine is long overdue for unbiased research.
Maybe you could produce a research paper on the long term effects of how PED's make some people assholes by mediation of the asshole receptors in the frontal cortex of the brain.

 

[Sworder]

I think I know who was giving @MairUnderwood(Researcher) shit over this question.

It was me!
I have reasons for things, if you ask me I will respond.

If you guys want to cry about me that's fine. Considering all the homosexuality that Mair is reporting I am happy about that. I have mentioned the circlejerk before I didn't know it was literally true.

Am here to learn guys. I do that by aggressively engaging in debate, being "bros" leads to people circle jerking you and not proving you wrong. If you can't keep up STFU and complain like you are doing now. Also, blocking me gives me the greatest pleasure. It is admitting you are too emo to talk to me. Nobody's words can hurt me, but mine can hurt you? Grow a pair!

If Millard wants to change the rules I will follow them.

I usually don't feel the need to explain myself to people whom don't understand what I do.

Also, I am very careful with my words, the worst insult you will probably get is "stupid."

 

[Sworder]

Tell me this, how can anyone taking a chemical that literally explodes if you hold a lighter to it, know what they are doing with it by ingesting it?

Look at what you guys say and she likes it??!! There is so much BS I don't even comment on and you guys swallow.

Did you guys think about this? Oxygen will light on fire too you know? And I would say oxygen is pretty good for you.

Mair will probably write in her ANTHRO(not medicine) report "AAS users have become so dumb they believe that if a substance will ignite it is bad for you."

Also, all food burns, that's how we get the kJoules.

 

[Dead]

Look at what you guys say and she likes it??!! There is so much BS I don't even comment on and you guys swallow.

Did you guys think about this? Oxygen will light on fire too you know? And I would say oxygen is pretty good for you.

Also, all food burns, that's how we get the kJoules.

Really ? U hold a lighter in the air and everything explodes?

Have u ever put a dnp pill on the ground ya stupid fuck? It literally explodes and leaves a yellow stain u can’t wash off. Sounds like some little bitch boy is mad his dnp use is being dissed

 

[Dead]

It was me!
I have reasons for things, if you ask me I will respond.

If you guys want to cry about me that's fine. Considering all the homosexuality that Mair is reporting I am happy about that. I have mentioned the circlejerk before I didn't know it was literally true.

Am here to learn guys. I do that by aggressively engaging in debate, being "bros" leads to people circle jerking you and not proving you wrong. If you can't keep up STFU and complain like you are doing now. Also, blocking me gives me the greatest pleasure. It is admitting you are too emo to talk to me. Nobody's words can hurt me, but mine can hurt you? Grow a pair!

If Millard wants to change the rules I will follow them.

I usually don't feel the need to explain myself to people whom don't understand what I do.

Also, I am very careful with my words, the worst insult you will probably get is "stupid."

“you are too emo to talk to me.“ what kinda lame ass dorky ass thing is this?

And if millibars changes the rules? Why don’t u suck his dick too jeez maybe u are homo