Understanding DNP practice

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Hey everyone. One of my students (Niroshan) and I are trying to understand the practice of DNP in bodybuilding. Can you please help by correcting or adding to the below? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Sorry it is so long but we want to understand properly. Feel free to only answer part.


1. What substances should you and shouldn’t you use with DNP?

(a) What shouldn’t you use with DNP? We’ve heard alcohol, illicit drugs like ecstasy, any others? Certain AASs?

(b) What should you or do you use with DNP? Certain AASs? pre-workouts? other fat loss supplements?

2. How do you practice DNP?

From my understanding you should:

(a) probably start with a low dose first (i.e. 200mg) and slowly increase after a minimum of 4 days if you need more, up to a maximum dose around 600-800mg.

(b) not be on DNP for more than 10 days.

(c) eat mostly fat and protein, avoiding carbohydrates where possible, to avoid excessive heat.

(d) avoid using DNP before sleep so that you don’t get night sweats.

(e) use air-conditioning and cold showers to stay cool.

Is this correct? How does this align with your practices? Is there anything I missed that you might do to reduce risk?


3. What is your understanding of DNP in terms of:

(a) how it works in the body?

(b) risks and side effects?

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Well right now you are minimizing the negative connotation of what your reports include. Bear in mind that I did listen to your full interview and Brojobs and that homosexuality/metrosexuality(you mentioned a new term what was that?)

what report? and what negative connotations? one guy likes to suck cock and some bodybuilders like to joke about doing it? that upsets you does it? best you talk to them about it and not to me as I just write about what I find.
and the other term was spornosexuality - these are not my terms but terms others have coined to describe changing ideals

 

[Sworder]

"spornosexuality"

A man concerned with personal appearance, but who places more emphasis on having a fit, toned, virile body than on grooming or fashion.

That was from Wiki, I have never heard that before. Do you feel like this is a growing trend in the BB community? Is it localized to Australia maybe?

I am interested to know why Zyzz case inspired you so much. Does it have to do with the whole internet phenomena and "going viral?"

 

[T&H]

When used at the right dose, dnp is fairly safe to use. Yes, it has side effects dependent on dosage and some like cataracts. I'm not saying everyone should use it, but a short cycle can be done. Nothing on the planet increases metabolism like it.

 

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http://www.yalescientific.org/2015/11/banned-weight-loss-drug-repurposed-for-diabetes/ (Banned Weight-Loss Drug Repurposed for Diabetes)

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

"spornosexuality"

A man concerned with personal appearance, but who places more emphasis on having a fit, toned, virile body than on grooming or fashion.

That was from Wiki, I have never heard that before. Do you feel like this is a growing trend in the BB community? Is it localized to Australia maybe?

I am interested to know why Zyzz case inspired you so much. Does it have to do with the whole internet phenomena and "going viral?"

no i don't think it was taken up as much as the metrosexual term that the same journo coined. i wouldn't agree with that definition. i think it is more about combining metrosexuality with muscle. It is a portmanteau of "sports", "porn" and "metrosexual". Zyzz is the poster boy of spornosexuality.
I got interested in Zyzz because I was looking for a research project and googled "Australia steroids" and there he was. It was that simple. It fascinated me that in this day and age of flash in the pan internet celebrity he is still discussed every day online by people all over the world even though he died 8 years ago. young men are still discovering zyzz and living by his philosophy. in many ways he was a complete wanker, but a very clever one or at least one who had his finger on the pulse of what many young men want to hear, and was able to ride the first wave of photo and video based social media

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

When used at the right dose, dnp is fairly safe to use. Yes, it has side effects dependent on dosage and some like cataracts. I'm not saying everyone should use it, but a short cycle can be done. Nothing on the planet increases metabolism like it.

Thanks. do you think it is as safe or safer than insulin? or more dangerous? I have been working with an endocrinologist who agrees with bodybuilders that underground insulin use is quite unlikely to cause death, and that coma and other significant consequences are also unlikely with even a moderate amount of care taken to balance carbs. But as I don't know much about DNP yet I only really have the fire and brimstone medical literature to go off (and that same literature exists for insulin). is it as manageable as insulin?

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

http://www.yalescientific.org/2015/11/banned-weight-loss-drug-repurposed-for-diabetes/ (Banned Weight-Loss Drug Repurposed for Diabetes)

fascinating, thank you. more and more parallels with insulin!

 

[T&H]

Thanks. do you think it is as safe or safer than insulin? or more dangerous? I have been working with an endocrinologist who agrees with bodybuilders that underground insulin use is quite unlikely to cause death, and that coma and other significant consequences are also unlikely with even a moderate amount of care taken to balance carbs. But as I don't know much about DNP yet I only really have the fire and brimstone medical literature to go off (and that same literature exists for insulin). is it as manageable as insulin?

Entirely diff use than insulin. IMO, its safer than insulin.

 

[Sworder]

Zyzz is the poster boy of spornosexuality.

I have never heard that term before nor anybody mentioning it. If anything it seems like one of those things were people create a term just to attract attention. Just my 2 cents.

I got interested in Zyzz because I was looking for a research project and googled "Australia steroids" and there he was. It was that simple. It fascinated me that in this day and age of flash in the pan internet celebrity he is still discussed every day online by people all over the world even though he died 8 years ago. young men are still discovering zyzz and living by his philosophy. in many ways he was a complete wanker, but a very clever one or at least one who had his finger on the pulse of what many young men want to hear, and was able to ride the first wave of photo and video based social media

Okay thanks for explaining. It's really unfortunate to hear that he lost his life, he was only 22. I was a wanker at 22 too. Especially when you are born into a foreign country it creates a lot of self esteem issues that manifest themselves in disgusting ways. I don't have anything bad to say about him.

 

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Thanks. do you think it is as safe or safer than insulin? or more dangerous? I have been working with an endocrinologist who agrees with bodybuilders that underground insulin use is quite unlikely to cause death, and that coma and other significant consequences are also unlikely with even a moderate amount of care taken to balance carbs. But as I don't know much about DNP yet I only really have the fire and brimstone medical literature to go off (and that same literature exists for insulin). is it as manageable as insulin?

Insulin is not needed at all it’s quite stupid to use and the combined use of it with hgh ruined aspects of bodybuilding. I’m currently using it but only because I’ve lost 60lbs unnecessarily. And yes if I take on shot and do it wrong I’ll go hypoglycemic and possibly be fatal. It shouldn’t be used by anyone

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Entirely diff use than insulin. IMO, its safer than insulin.

Yes I know it is very different but some interesting parallels.
How easy is it to kill yourself with DNP in your opinion? (because the medical literature seems to imply it is quite easy)

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Insulin is not needed at all it’s quite stupid to use and the combined use of it with hgh ruined aspects of bodybuilding. I’m currently using it but only because I’ve lost 60lbs unnecessarily. And yes if I take on shot and do it wrong I’ll go hypoglycemic and possibly be fatal. It shouldn’t be used by anyone

very interesting, thanks. you are the first insulin consumer who has told me it is that dangerous (but definitely not the 1st to say it ruined bodybuilding!). from what the others tell me the hypos are quite manageable and that "you would have to be an idiot to kill yourself with insulin" (their words not mine).

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

I was a wanker at 22 too.

weren't we all!

 

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very interesting, thanks. you are the first insulin consumer who has told me it is that dangerous (but definitely not the 1st to say it ruined bodybuilding!). from what the others tell me the hypos are quite manageable and that "you would have to be an idiot to kill yourself with insulin" (their words not mine).

They are manageable, regardless you’re still playing with fire regarding all of this stuff

 

[LeoTC]

It was me!
I have reasons for things, if you ask me I will respond.

If you guys want to cry about me that's fine. Considering all the homosexuality that Mair is reporting I am happy about that. I have mentioned the circlejerk before I didn't know it was literally true.

Am here to learn guys. I do that by aggressively engaging in debate, being "bros" leads to people circle jerking you and not proving you wrong. If you can't keep up STFU and complain like you are doing now. Also, blocking me gives me the greatest pleasure. It is admitting you are too emo to talk to me. Nobody's words can hurt me, but mine can hurt you? Grow a pair!

If Millard wants to change the rules I will follow them.

I usually don't feel the need to explain myself to people whom don't understand what I do.

Also, I am very careful with my words, the worst insult you will probably get is "stupid."

Eh...

There's a difference between a circle jerk and being cordial. More often than not, if you came at someone wanting to learn and just acted like a twat they'd tell you to fuck off.

No learning to be had, regardless of how you want to sugarcoat being a dick.

-\('_')/-

 

[Sworder]

Eh...

There's a difference between a circle jerk and being cordial. More often than not, if you came at someone wanting to learn and just acted like a twat they'd tell you to fuck off.

No learning to be had, regardless of how you want to sugarcoat being a dick.

I am not aiming to be cordial. If there is no learning to be had, what are you doing here? To cirlejerk? Sit around and be a "yes man." I guess some people are here to do that. "Be apart of the group..."

What you label as being a "twat" is something else to me. I think people label me a twat because I interject and challenge people's ideas and statements. They feel attacked and rather than continue to debate they start doing the CBS:
1. Deflect
2. Personal insults
3. Change the subject

Whatever you are here doing, I am not doing the same thing.

If you want to claim you are here for the right reasons and I am here for the wrong reason. Have at you!

*Emasculating curse words being thrown at you*

 

[OnTheRize]

Really ? U hold a lighter in the air and everything explodes?

Have u ever put a DNP pill on the ground ya stupid fuck? It literally explodes and leaves a yellow stain u can’t wash off. Sounds like some little bitch boy is mad his dnp use is being dissed

“you are too emo to talk to me.“ what kinda lame ass dorky ass thing is this?

And if millibars changes the rules? Why don’t u suck his dick too jeez maybe u are homo

Oh look u have 5000 messages and 1000 likes whoops! Wasting my time here

In fact maybe u are an emo homo the way ur crying about how mair said ur homo

I’ll donate money to the board just to shut ur stupid ass up already

Drop the tren u clearly can’t handle it

Quiet bitch boy no more words from you. I never attacked u first idiot. Lol

Oh you’re still talking

I really don't have a dog in the fight over DNP's use. I know more about it as a relative to old school Nitrated Aromatic military explosives and the bad press it's gotten than I do its application in body building.

...but...I had to chime in here. I only get to see 350lift's responses and don't have a clue what the person he's responding to is saying...cause I hit the ignore button on the other guy awhile back...if you've never used the ignore button on someone who's cantankerous, pisses people off, baits them into arguments, draws a line in the sand and pits the community against other members...I suggest you try it out.
It...is...pure...unadulterated...comedy...fucking...gold!

As Sworder said I am an anthropologist

I could have guessed who this was based on the responses you got even if I hit the ignore button on half of Meso's members.

 

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I really don't have a dog in the fight over DNP's use. I know more about it as a relative to old school Nitrated Aromatic military explosives and the bad press it's gotten than I do its application in body building.

...but...I had to chime in here. I only get to see 350lift's responses and don't have a clue what the person he's responding to is saying...cause I hit the ignore button on the other guy awhile back...if you've never used the ignore button on someone who's cantankerous, pisses people off, baits them into arguments, draws a line in the sand and pits the community against other members...I suggest you try it out.
It...is...pure...unadulterated...comedy...fucking...gold!



I could have guessed who this was based on the responses you got even if I hit the ignore button on half of Meso's members.

Lol good point if I’d just take a 5 second pause I’d probly ignore the shit anyways

I don’t have a problem with anyone who uses dnp I just see these pros like Chris bumstead n victor martinez an Seth feroce an Weasley vissers n think there’s no way in hell these guys would ever take that stuff -and I’ve ran dnp at 4-600, once. Sure it was alright wasn’t magic had no desire to do it again

 

[LeoTC]

I am not aiming to be cordial. If there is no learning to be had, what are you doing here? To cirlejerk? Sit around and be a "yes man." I guess some people are here to do that. "Be apart of the group..."

What you label as being a "twat" is something else to me. I think people label me a twat because I interject and challenge people's ideas and statements. They feel attacked and rather than continue to debate they start doing the CBS:
1. Deflect
2. Personal insults
3. Change the subject

Whatever you are here doing, I am not doing the same thing.

If you want to claim you are here for the right reasons and I am here for the wrong reason. Have at you!

*Emasculating curse words being thrown at you*

Yeah, I'm not here to be a part of a group. I'm here to share my experience and learn from others. Doesn't mean I agree with everyone or that I dont get into shit from time to time.

Like I said, you can challenge people's ideas without being a dick.

Nothing you've done above has constituted debate. Its basically just been you being an entitled cunt and running down another member that is trying to learn.

Like she owes you or Meso something because if her chosen topic of study.

"You're building your career off our backs, pay up to Anabolic labs!"

You do understand how laughable that bullshit is, right?

You've dropped some solid knowledge in other threads, and that's always appreciated. But you seriously come of like an overly pretentious and self aggrandizing teenager here.

A regular Holden Caulfield, calling out the phony doctor and all.

 

[LeoTC]

I really don't have a dog in the fight over DNP's use. I know more about it as a relative to old school Nitrated Aromatic military explosives and the bad press it's gotten than I do its application in body building.

...but...I had to chime in here. I only get to see 350lift's responses and don't have a clue what the person he's responding to is saying...cause I hit the ignore button on the other guy awhile back...if you've never used the ignore button on someone who's cantankerous, pisses people off, baits them into arguments, draws a line in the sand and pits the community against other members...I suggest you try it out.
It...is...pure...unadulterated...comedy...fucking...gold!



I could have guessed who this was based on the responses you got even if I hit the ignore button on half of Meso's members.

Very much yes to the first part.

Though, admittedly, I'll at times unhide and read the ignored posts just to see what's fuckery has been spewed.