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I don't want it to get easier. I think when folks walk right in they don't respect America as much as when they work hard to get in.

I didn't say I want it to be easy... I think it should be an easier path though. In terms of the process you have to go through now, it would be nice if it were more realistic and just a little less obscure. If it were, would there be more or less illegal immigration?

Did you know the US offers a lottery system to become a citizen? How much more would you respect America if that's how you got your ticket in the door? :confused:

If you were from another country and your dream was to come to America, do you think YOU could get yourself here permanently with current policies? Maybe. Maybe not. It's based in a lot of fucking luck I'll tell you that.
 
I didn't say I want it to be easy... I think it should be an easier path though. In terms of the process you have to go through now, it would be nice if it were more realistic and just a little less obscure. If it were, would there be more or less illegal immigration?

Did you know the US offers a lottery system to become a citizen? How much more would you respect America if that's how you got your ticket in the door? :confused:

If you were from another country and your dream was to come to America, do you think YOU could get yourself here permanently with current policies? Maybe. Maybe not. It's based in a lot of fucking luck I'll tell you that.
Immigration shouldn't be based on helping the less privileged. it should be based on what is best for America . and I don't blame those for trying to better their lives, I blame those who allow it for less honorable reasons such as cheap labor and votes.
 
I didn't say I was a proponent of banning anything, I'm a gun owner myself. I do agree with you to a certain extent that guns are inanimate objects however, they are an efficient way of killing. That is their purpose and in looking at statistics around the globe, I think we can agree that the US has a gun problem that could be mitigated by stricter gun laws.

Sure, people could turn to other methods to kill... Doesn't seem to happen very much where gun laws are very strict though does it?



I believe both will become more difficult under one administration and legal immigration will become easier under the other. Things always look tidy in black and white though... It'll probably be a mother fucker regardless. I personally would like to see easier immigration processes.

If we can agree that guns are inanimate objects with no will of their own (until Skynet takes over ;) ), then I hope we can also agree that regardless if an inanimate object is deemed efficient or not, it doesn't preclude the fact there must be motive and intent for said object to be used in such a matter. The problem always was and always will be people, not the guns.

I'm not sure what you're saying between global statistics in relation to US gun issues, with the answer being stricter gun laws and the comment that other methods of lethal force such as knives or bombs are not in use in strict gun law locations. Unless I'm just flat out reading your post wrong, it seems to be contradictory. Then again, I am multitasking like a mutherfuckr right now, lol.

Also, I'm not up to date on the statistics, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I gather, the U.S. cities with the strictest gun laws are also those with the highest gun related crimes.

Similar to immigration policies, I think gun laws should get a a fresh look and maybe some changes are in order. However, I don't think the answers reside in banning or cost prohibitive measures (not saying you think this either). I think there should a focus on education and perhaps looking at ways to evaluate gun owners screening for a history of violent acts and documented mental disorders. Maybe requiring people take and regularly update their firearm safety before getting licensed.

Personally I think the immigration policies need to be reevaluated. But I don't support amnesty for those here illegally, regardless of how arduous the legal process currently is.

A possible solution for those here illegally might be to document them but not grant citizenship until cleared of any criminal history and waiting until the others that are currently in line for citizenship have completed the process. This way families can stay together while waiting for their turn. The ones with criminal histories should be sent back immediately.

If they've been cleared of criminal history and while they're waiting to become citizens, temporary work visas should be issued. This work visa should be up for revaluation every year as to assess their value as a citizen (adding value to society and not committing crimes). Additionally, they should be required to have and hold a job for a period of time. That being said, I don't think they should receive American citizens' tax payer funded benefits.

They should invest (tax dollars) and wait until they are citizens before receiving things like the right to vote, unemployment or disability, Medicaid, pell grants, ect. This is not to say that they cannot receive returns for tax dollars invested - not including what they already receive in the use of public lands, infrastructures, and services - but they have to wait until becoming full citizens. They're contributions will be accounted for and credited to their tax id account once officially full fledged citizens.
 
They are constantly trying and most of the time it's overturned by the Supreme Court. "nobody needs weapons of war" calling ar15's machine guns and making your average American believe they are automatic weapons. automatic weapons have been banned since the 30's. constantly trying to redefine the second amendment or claim it's outdated.

Limiting the types of guns you can own is not the same thing as taking away your right to own guns.
 
If we can agree that guns are inanimate objects with no will of their own (until Skynet takes over ;) ), then I hope we can also agree that regardless if an inanimate object is deemed efficient or not, it doesn't preclude the fact there must be motive and intent for said object to be used in such a matter

Yes, I agree. However, I do believe less guns = less deaths... So with that said, I don't think people are necessarily the only problem in shooting deaths. Yes, people kill people... Using guns lol.

I'm not sure what you're saying between global statistics in relation to US gun issues, with the answer being stricter gun laws and the comment that other methods of lethal force such as knives or bombs are not in use in strict gun law locations

When you made the comparison that household chemicals or knives shouldn't be made illegal because they CAN kill it brought me to my point that if guns were suddenly illegal in the US or extremely strict gun laws were put into place, I don't think we would see gun deaths replaced by deaths from knives or bombs, so it's not an ideal comparison.

I completely agree with the rest of your post!
 
It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on Americans who have been left behind by our system and economy. It's a war on the mentally ill and addicted because the electorate is so fucking ignorant they don't understand the difference between an addict and a violent offender. It is a disgrace that the US has more people incarcerated than any other country. America the the land of the not so great. Home of the ignorant fools who believe every fucking lie that slips out of a politician's mouth.

It will not be long before this country looks back and asks what the fuck were those morons thinking locking up 1% of their population.
 
War on Drugs could become much worse with Trump's selection of Sen. Jeff Sessions as U.S. Attorney General

Sessions is a vocal opponent of marijuana legalization whose elevation to attorney general could deal a blow to state-level marijuana legalization efforts across the country.

At a Senate drug hearing in April, Sessions said that “we need grown-ups in charge in Washington to say marijuana is not the kind of thing that ought to be legalized, it ought not to be minimized, that it’s in fact a very real danger.” [...]

Sessions further argued that a lack of leadership from President Obama had been one of the drivers of the trend toward marijuana legalization in recent years. “I think one of [Obama's] great failures, it's obvious to me, is his lax treatment in comments on marijuana,” Sessions said at the hearing. “It reverses 20 years almost of hostility to drugs that began really when Nancy Reagan started ‘Just Say No.’

He added that lawmakers and leaders in government needed to foster “knowledge that this drug is dangerous, you cannot play with it, it is not funny, it’s not something to laugh about . . . and to send that message with clarity that good people don’t smoke marijuana.”

Source: Trump’s pick for attorney general: ‘Good people don’t smoke marijuana’

Forget, also, any federal criminal-justice reform, which was on the cusp of passage in Congress before Mr. Trump’s “law and order” campaign. Mr. Sessions strongly opposed bipartisan legislation to scale back the outrageously harsh sentences that filled federal prisons with low-level drug offenders. Instead, he called for more mandatory-minimum sentences and harsher punishments for drug crimes. The one bright spot was his working with Democrats to reduce the 100-to-1 disparity between punishments for crack and powder cocaine offenses.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/o...as-attorney-general-an-insult-to-justice.html

When Jeff Sessions sits before his colleagues in the United States Senate for his confirmation early next year, you're certain to hear again about a joke he told decades ago. It came up in his last confirmation hearing in 1986, when the Senate rejected his appointment to the federal bench.

Paraphrasing here, but what Sessions is said to have said went something like this ...

I didn't think the Klan were such bad guys until I found out they smoked marijuana.

Source: With Sessions appointment to AG, does marijuana legalization go up in smoke?

Sessions criticized President Barack Obama for not being tough enough on marijuana, saying the U.S. could be at the beginning of “another surge in drug use like we saw in the ’60s and ’70s.”

“You have to have leadership from Washington,” Sessions said. “You can’t have the president of the United States of America talking about marijuana like it is no different than taking a drink. . . . It is different. And you are sending a message to young people that there is no danger in this process. It is false that marijuana use doesn’t lead people to more drug use. It is already causing a disturbance in the states that have made it legal. I think we need to be careful about this.” [...]

Aaron Herzberg, partner and general counsel of Calcann Holdings, LLC, a California medical marijuana real estate company, called Sessions “the worst pick that Trump could have made” and warned that marijuana legalization in states such as California, Florida and Washington “may be in serious jeopardy” if Sessions is confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

“It appears that he is intent on rolling back policy to the 1980s Nancy Reagan’s ‘just say no’ days,” Herzberg said.

Sessions received an “F” on the 2016 congressional scorecard released by the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, a pro-legalization group.

Erik Altieri, the group’s executive director, called Sessions “a militant marijuana prohibitionist” and said his nomination “should send a chill down the spine of the majority of Americans who support marijuana law reform.”

While no one’s certain exactly what Sessions would do as attorney general, his nomination is clearly good news for opponents of legalization.

“Well, let’s just say that if I had marijuana stocks right now, I’d be shorting them,” said Kevin Sabet, president of the anti-legalization group Smart Approaches to Marijuana. “This is a man who we know is staunchly anti-legalization. There’s no way around that. Things are about to get interesting.”

Source: Will Alabama’s Sessions support states’ rights – when the issue is marijuana?
 
Drug Reform Activists "Scared Shitless" by Trump's choice of Senator Jeff Sessions as U.S. Attorney General

Tom Angell, chair of Marijuana Majority:

"While the choice certainly isn't good news for marijuana reform, I'm still hopeful the new administration will realize that any crackdown against broadly popular laws in a growing number of states would create huge political problems they don't need and will use lots of political capital they'd be better off spending on issues the new president cares a lot more about.

"A clear majority of Americans support legalizing marijuana, and supermajorities across party lines believe that states should be able to implement their own cannabis laws without federal interference. The truth is, marijuana reform is much more popular with voters than most politicians are, and officials in the new administration would do well to take a careful look at the polling data on this issue before deciding what to do.

"During the campaign the president-elect clearly pledged to respect state marijuana laws, and he should keep his word — both because it’s the right thing to do and because a reversal would be a huge political misstep."

Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Police Alliance:

“Jeff Sessions is a drug war dinosaur, which is the last thing the nation needs now. Those who counted on Donald Trump’s reassurance that marijuana reforms 'should be a state issue' will be sorely disappointed. And not just Democrats but the many Republicans as well who favor rolling back the war on drugs had better resist this nomination."

Bill Piper, senior director of national affairs for the DPA:

"Donald Trump's decision heralds a return to the worst days of the drug war. Trump promised to ‘drain the swamp,’ but he's gone to the very bottom of the drug war barrel for this pick."

Steph Sherer, executive director of Americans for Safe Access:

"Throughout the 2016 campaign, President-elect Trump repeatedly said he supports medical cannabis and that he believes states should be able to set their own policies in this area. Many medical cannabis patients and their families supported his candidacy because they believed he would be better on this issue than his opponent. However, the nomination of Jeff Sessions as the next Attorney General of the United States is a tremendous cause for concern to medical cannabis patients and their families.

"President-elect Trump needs to reassure the more than 300 million Americans living under some sort of medical cannabis law that his Attorney General will honor his campaign pledge to respect state medical cannabis programs."

Aaron Smith, executive director of the National Cannabis Industry Association:

"Voters in 28 states have chosen programs that shift cannabis from the criminal market to highly regulated, tax-paying businesses. Sen. Sessions has long advocated for state sovereignty, and we look forward to working with him to ensure that states' rights and voter choices on cannabis are respected."

David Dinenberg, CEO of Kind Financial, a marijuana industry financial services firm:

"Jeff Sessions is no friend of the legal cannabis movement and there is really no way to spin the nomination in a positive light. The industry was hoping to avoid Chris Christie as Attorney General because of his lack of support. Now, I am pretty sure this is no better and maybe worse."
Source: Marijuana Supporters Scared Shitless by Trump's Pick for Top Cop
 
I know a few growers who voted for Trump and the Regrets are already starting because of his AG pick. lol. A vote for trump is a vote for a chump!
Agreed...Trump may be a chump, but the Hildabeast would been worse now that so many nasty skeletons have come out of her closet. Seems our political system is so dysfunctional to the point we cannot produce candidates that are willing and able to work with and FOR the people.

Seems a Trump presidency is going to be real scary...and I hope we can get sanity back in 4 years!
 
Agreed...Trump may be a chump, but the Hildabeast would been worse now that so many nasty skeletons have come out of her closet. Seems our political system is so dysfunctional to the point we cannot produce candidates that are willing and able to work with and FOR the people.

Seems a Trump presidency is going to be real scary...and I hope we can get sanity back in 4 years!
I didn't vote for either knucklehead. It's sad when the TRUE choices are eliminated by the Corporate Media even before they get a start, i.e. Rand Paul, Bernie Sanders (who got fucked by his own party) and on and on....
 
I didn't vote for either knucklehead. It's sad when the TRUE choices are eliminated by the Corporate Media even before they get a start, i.e. Rand Paul, Bernie Sanders (who got fucked by his own party) and on and on....
Yes sadly its the media that call the shots and it's scary.
 
Hopefully, the states will assert their power when Trump goes against their interests. Individuals as well. As soon as they try to de-fund Planned Parenthood, for example, expect the program to receive more money through private donations than they ever received from the federal government. I don't see the states giving up all that pot related revenue without a fight.
 
Hopefully, the states will assert their power when Trump goes against their interests. Individuals as well. As soon as they try to de-fund Planned Parenthood, for example, expect the program to receive more money through private donations than they ever received from the federal government. I don't see the states giving up all that pot related revenue without a fight.
And watch MORE states not less will get into the legalized (or at least decriminalized) pot game too, which should change the balance of power in a way. Colorado is in the lead on this one and they are tweaking their pot laws to deal with issues so other states may well learn from Colorado's work. It takes a lot of guts to for states (and individuals) to stand up to the Feds.
 
And watch MORE states not less will get into the legalized (or at least decriminalized) pot game too, which should change the balance of power in a way. Colorado is in the lead on this one and they are tweaking their pot laws to deal with issues so other states may well learn from Colorado's work. It takes a lot of guts to for states (and individuals) to stand up to the Feds.

It's a healthy trend IMO, states pushing back against overreaching federal laws. The US is too big to have one government deciding controversial laws for everyone.
 
Rodrigo Duterte Says Donald Trump Endorses His Violent Antidrug Campaign

President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines said on Saturday that President-elect Donald J. Trump had endorsed his brutal antidrug campaign, telling Mr. Duterte that the Philippines was conducting it “the right way.”

Mr. Duterte, who spoke with Mr. Trump by telephone on Friday, said Mr. Trump was “quite sensitive” to “our worry about drugs.”

“He wishes me well, too, in my campaign, and he said that, well, we are doing it as a sovereign nation, the right way,” Mr. Duterte said.

There was no immediate response from Mr. Trump to Mr. Duterte’s description of the phone call, and his transition team could not be reached for comment.

[...]

Mr. Duterte has led a campaign against drug abuse in which he has encouraged the police and others to kill people they suspect of using or selling drugs. Since he took office in June, more than 2,000 people have been killed by the police in what officers describe as drug raids, and the police say several hundred more have been killed by vigilantes.


The program has been condemned by the United States, the United Nations, the European Union and others for what rights organizations have characterized as extrajudicial killings. In rejecting such criticism from the United States this fall, Mr. Duterte called Mr. Obama a “son of a whore.”
 
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