Not that I don't have compassion for life or illegal immigrants. I'm just driving and my posts are a bit quick.
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I'm reminded by the old idiom Chicken Little I think it is and the sky falling when people mention their guns are going to get taken away.... There are so many other ways, easier and more efficient ways, to go about it that legislation isn't needed. If people wanted it done, it could have been done many times over by now.
Eman
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Yeah yeah yeah... But they still might!!
I'll leave this here...
After Mass Shootings, Some on Wall St. See Gold in Gun Makers
They are constantly trying and most of the time it's overturned by the Supreme Court. "nobody needs weapons of war" calling ar15's machine guns and making your average American believe they are automatic weapons. automatic weapons have been banned since the 30's. constantly trying to redefine the second amendment or claim it's outdated.
Something is seriously fucking fucked up if you think you need AR15s for home defence...
This looks so, so crazy to basically anyone who isn't an American.
This looks so, so crazy to basically anyone who isn't an American.
Who's says it's for home defense?
So then the rich would be the only ones that could afford firearms? our second amendment is there so it's citizens have the ability to defend themselves against tyranny. that would contradict the intention of the second amendment .
Not to someone living in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other ME and African countries. Not to a lot of people living in Europe lately either. It's fine for someone ignorant of history to think they don't need to prepare for extreme times. But it's NOT fine for them to try to impose their simple minded ignorance on others.
Probably get "shot" down for this, but can anyone tell me why it's always the amendments to the Constitution which people defend? I never hear the constitution itself defended...
And if amendments are so good...aren't we due a few more?
And if amendments are so good...aren't we due a few more?
Spooby
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@Michael Scally MD I saw your avatar and then I read the title and thought the title of this was "war on dogs"
I freaked out!
I freaked out!
Spooby
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It's because the amendments are quite often attacked by the ignorant. Those who depend on their government for security. Those who don't understand what freedom is. I'm not entirely up to explaining this tbh..
Appreciate the candour.
Great Thread Doc Scally. It should be a sticky @Millard Baker
It is! TY
The amendments tend to provide the means for legal interpretation of powers the government was not otherwise granted in the Constitution. So if they can find a way to circumvent the restrictions specified in the amendment, they can ignore the lack of the power being granted elsewhere in the text. Anyway, most people don't really have a firm grasp on the whole text. The amendments are like the cliff notes : )
So they are more like clarifications, then?
Spooby
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I think, to even begin understanding the constitution, and especially before you even begin forming opinions on anything written in it, you have to understand the reason, and the need for its existence in this world. Particularly, its importance when it was declared. 
johnnydoe
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Exactly. People should crack open a history book and find out why the constitution was drafted in the first place to understand why it is so important today. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemed to repeat it"I think, to even begin understanding the constitution, and especially before you even begin forming opinions on anything written in it, you have to understand the reason, and the need for its existence in this world. Particularly, its importance when it was declared.
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Dammit, Eman, I was trying to stay out of this discussion! lol
The statement in red is what compelled me.
I disagree that violence is caused by inanimate objects, but rather its genesis lies with the humans with ill-intent to use them. If all guns were taken away, people with intent to cause harm would use knives or other weapons to achieve their goal. People may even use household chemicals to make bombs. Does that mean we should ban household cleaning supplies? Of course not.
Also:
Are you referring to legal or illegal immigration? I think too often the designation gets lost in the mix.
Eman
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I didn't say I was a proponent of banning anything, I'm a gun owner myself. I do agree with you to a certain extent that guns are inanimate objects however, they are an efficient way of killing. That is their purpose and in looking at statistics around the globe, I think we can agree that the US has a gun problem that could be mitigated by stricter gun laws.
Sure, people could turn to other methods to kill... Doesn't seem to happen very much where gun laws are very strict though does it?
I believe both will become more difficult under one administration and legal immigration will become easier under the other. Things always look tidy in black and white though... It'll probably be a mother fucker regardless. I personally would like to see easier immigration processes.
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