What's your guys opinion on best EU source?

[janoshik]

This looks real to me. Why would it be fake? It's no surprise that impurities are found. The question is if these impurities are a danger.

I'm sure you do base that opinion on your extensive decade long experience with intricacies of the Chemstation and chromatography overall.

Also, I wouldn't call oil components and misidentified oil components due to using NIST from 2005 impurities, but that's just me.

 

[Inspired]

I'm sure you do base that opinion on your extensive decade long experience with intricacies of the Chemstation and chromatography overall.

There are a lot of reports on that forum. The impurities detected are specific. Can you address the impurities listed on the various reports? What's your take.

 

[janoshik]

There are a lot of reports on that forum. The impurities detected are specific. Can you address the impurities listed on the various reports? What's your take.

See above about the "impurities", edited post.

 

[janoshik]

There are a lot of reports on that forum. The impurities detected are specific. Can you address the impurities listed on the various reports? What's your take.

Not like it matters on faked tests, though.

 

[alis]

Hello. I have never bought from this site. I can't give you any advice. Right now I looked, they only have Sustanon Balkan.

Do you think i can try? Beacuse i m interested on sp too, ther are 2 problems, the minimum order of 300 euros , so if i get scammed i ll loose a lot.. i don know, it s looks legit bit i do t onow if is ok

 

[deeeznuts]

There are videos on the next page of him performing the tests.

 

[janoshik]

There are videos on the next page of him performing the tests.

I didn't see them, but well, then, send them some blind unlabeled samples for the fun of it.

It's not like me talking about why all those numbers are painfully obviously made up matters, due to both my real or perceived conflict of interests and the fact I don't really feel like explaining a lot of analytical chemistry over and over again.

 

[Andreo]

Do you think i can try? Beacuse i m interested on sp too, ther are 2 problems, the minimum order of 300 euros , so if i get scammed i ll loose a lot.. i don know, it s looks legit bit i do t onow if is ok

I think you'd better buy in Ashop, Bodiroids. no purchase limit and verified sellers. But I haven't bought anything from them yet.

 

[bignibba]

Not like it matters on faked tests, though.

ehh i dont think its fake i went through the thread and this dude has done tests on a lot of brands,a lot of them from this forum and all others i saw came out clean.
Why would he target dues?

 

[janoshik]

ehh i dont think its fake i went through the thread and this dude has done tests on a lot of brands,a lot of them from this forum and all others i saw came out clean.
Why would he target dues?

I am not saying he or they target Deus.

I am simply saying those reports are fake, as I have said before in a different thread.

The reports are manually edited.

There are censored parts of the reports.

The concentrations are manually added.

The tests that are on point are way more accurate than the technology they use can achieve.

The results are apparently calculated from peaks that are not even properly integrated.

The data from the same day with the same result have raw data suggesting either manipulation or that 1+1 = 1

The numbers are pulled out of somebody's ass.

Somebody runs an ancient GCMS to get ID on the components and nice graph and then makes the numbers up. That's exactly what the Chinese QA/QC does, because the level of expertise needed for that is literally zero and costs are miniscule as well.

You could buy an ancient GCMS off ebay for 15k and run a test like that for 10 USD a test with 15 minutes of schooling.

 

[janoshik]

And that's just the objective stuff.


Regarding the less objective stuff you have to consider that I might possibly have a lot of data on some of the samples that are posted there.

I might even have Lab4Tox data on some of the samples that they tested there. And guess which two labs that actually have undergone some scrutiny with blind tests agree on the data and which one doesn't?


Anyway, I don't understand why would you ask me about their motivations?
How would I know?
Just because their goal is not painfully obvious doesn't mean it makes the reports true, that's kindergarten logic.

@Dr JIM made stuff up for years over here and spent considerable amount of effort and, I assume money, just because he wanted to get forum cred and respect. So maybe it's something as stupid as that.

Or maybe somebody pretends to test a lot of brands unavailable in the Ukraine and slips a good test of something that's actually available over there, in order to create demand and not be retardedly obvious?

Who knows? Not me.
If you really feel like knowing, you might consider investigating yourself.

 

[bignibba]

And that's just the objective stuff.


Regarding the less objective stuff you have to consider that I might possibly have a lot of data on some of the samples that are posted there.

I might even have Lab4Tox data on some of the samples that they tested there. And guess which two labs that actually have undergone some scrutiny with blind tests agree on the data and which one doesn't?


Anyway, I don't understand why would you ask me about their motivations?
How would I know?
Just because their goal is not painfully obvious doesn't mean it makes the reports true, that's kindergarten logic.

@Dr JIM made stuff up for years over here and spent considerable amount of effort and, I assume money, just because he wanted to get forum cred and respect. So maybe it's something as stupid as that.

Or maybe somebody pretends to test a lot of brands unavailable in the Ukraine and slips a good test of something that's actually available over there, in order to create demand and not be retardedly obvious?

Who knows? Not me.
If you really feel like knowing, you might consider investigating yourself.

no bro thanks for explaining.
It just looks legit for people that dont know like me.

 

[janoshik]

no bro thanks for explaining.
It just looks legit for people that dont know like me.

Yeah, I'm sorry if I came off stingy, I just have more than a fair share of dealing with that kind of stuff.

 

[M. Tugboat]

@Dr JIM made stuff up for years

What do you mean by this?

 

[Ooohlala]

Just to say that when Hilma sent me their stuff, it actually came from eastern europe (if I'm not mistaken: Lithuania, or somewhere near).

They also sent me Viagra. Everything works fine: the Viagra and the test (so much so, that even on a 250mg/week test enanth cycle (split in two 125mg doses every 3rd/half day), I'm already getting gyno (3rd week)).

Gonna start taking tamoxifen to counteract the estrogenic effects.

Anyway, tamoxifen, arimidex, letrozole, and clomid, all effect negative cognitive side effects. The only one that doesn't seem to have any, on a significant scale, is Exemestane (Aromas in). Gonna order it and substitute the tamoxifen for the Aromasin.

Why does "nobody" talks about the cognitive side effects of these (pct / estrogen balancing) drugs?

 

[Ooohlala]

Anyways, when I talked about the "best source" I was talking about the most reliable in terms of product quality (absence of impurities, and actual active ingredients in their due quantities).

Are there any true pharma dealers around (not ones that fake the packages, but actual people with pharma contacts that can deal pharma grade products)? I would love to buy Viagra and everything pct-related from them.

 

[Liska]

Anyways, when I talked about the "best source" I was talking about the most reliable in terms of product quality (absence of impurities, and actual active ingredients in their due quantities).

Are there any true pharma dealers around (not ones that fake the packages, but actual people with pharma contacts that can deal pharma grade products)? I would love to buy Viagra and everything pct-related from them.

You have stacks of labtests and plenty of sources that carry pharma products right in front of you on Meso but you do have to chew the food on your plate by yourself.

 

[Ooohlala]

PS - gonna try catcafe for now, as many people suggested it in the beginning.

PSS - it is such a lost opportunity that people with mean to test gear, almost 99% of the time test only for the active compound. That has been extensively tested... I would suggest testing for impurities (the actual stuff that can harm us) as a new goal? Any ideas where one can send the samples to be tested for impurities?
PSS - I sent a private message to Janko about a month ago, and he told me that when he tested for impurities he never found anything... However, I don't know how much of what he said is true. People only pay him to test for testosterone and other active compounds, and my impression is that: that's the only thing he tests for. I don't even know if he has the right equipment to test for anything else.

 

[Liska]

PSS - I sent a private message to Janko about a month ago, and he told me that when he tested for impurities he never found anything... However, I don't know how much of what he said is true. People only pay him to test for testosterone and other active compounds, and my impression is that: that's the only thing he tests for. I don't even know if he has the right equipment to test for anything else.

https://www.janoshik.com/details/

This isn't close to the full spectrum of tests Janoshik can do himself or organize on request but should give you a better idea, as would reading through the labtesting section, which does have some less commonly requested test results posted as well. Have a proper read of what this community as well as Janoshik have posted in the testing subforum and come back here with any remaining questions.

 

[Ooohlala]

Wel

https://www.janoshik.com/details/

This isn't close to the full spectrum of tests Janoshik can do himself or organize on request but should give you a better idea, as would reading through the labtesting section, which does have some less commonly requested test results posted as well. Have a proper read of what this community as well as Janoshik have posted in the testing subforum and come back here with any remaining questions.

Back in August, he told me: "We only test for AAS and their amount. Heavy metals cam be tested in a separate test and AAS generally contain no significant amounts."

So, there was where I was coming from. But, anyway, there is plenty of active compounds testing, and, in my opinion, very little actual impurity testing (which is where the health hazards will come from). That's all I'm saying.