canadabber
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question: you think all body parts are fair game for synthol use?
If not which ones you think use? arms, delts, calves?
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question: you think all body parts are fair game for synthol use?
If not which ones you think use? arms, delts, calves?
I think some are much easier to enhance properly than others due to structure. I hate synthol use in delts. IMO the lateral head (which is where most people use it) is too broad and flat for it to ever look right. Rears maybe. Most people don’t have weak/lagging fronts.
Bis/tris/calves work. I can’t imagine having synthol in my calves though.
With somebody who’s skilled with it I’m sure nearly any site is possible.
I just puked a little. That's got to be one of the worst feelings ever
I cant imagine allowing myself to come around to the idea of injecting a substance that has no benefit to actual fibrous muscle tissue, performance, tissue growth or the anabolic process of building muscle. But still has all the drawbacks of pain and swelling. Its things like these that remind me bodybuilders are insane and have serious mental and self image issues.
ScottyB_NFE
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Lol thanks yo! Definitely taken some time to get here! Here’s where I was about 6 months after I started
canadabber
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K follow up question have you used it yet, and what were your thoughts? Also you ever try that hylaronic acid at all? (nick trigilli and some other guys sell that stuff).
I've tried both now, basically i have no real bicep peak, i was like maybe this will help me get it... spoiler,,, it doesnt really arms just got thicker is all, it i feel mainly added size in tricep more than bicep (and i already had pretty strong triceps over powering my biceps, so basically i just kinda increased that assymetry lol), I had heard alot of claims that you can easily add and inch maybe two inches with syntho to your arm size... my results however were increasing the arm size by about 3/4 of an inch, going from 19.5 to 20.25 or so. I think it mainly just makes you look bigger without a pump (the size increase was bigger than 3/4 without a pump i'll give it that).
Trigillis hydronics, i bought to try to bring upper chest up, the results dont really last however but a benefit was: when i used it i had much better mind muscle connection, and i will say its prolly aided me in that sense and i probably train my upper chest better now after trying to really feel that im working just the chest (not using front delts and triceps as much to move heavier weights)
canadabber
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dude legit changes have been made! congrats! so that's six months intro working out or six months into turning to the darkside. Also how old is that photo as compared to how you look now? legit look like a complete different person went from a rectangle shape to an upside down christmas tree!! #thedream
canadabber
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lol me neither... but after trying in arms for a few months... im thinking i actually need to man up and try the calves... i mean i kinda want to be able to walk so i think it'll be real low dose... when i eventually try it... we'll see how it goes (prolly a disaster
ScottyB_NFE
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Thanks canadabber! Yea that’s 6 months into working out. Didn’t try any gear until a year and a half into training. That picture is from late 13 or early 14’. That comp pic was from my first show last October. [emoji1377] just decided to blast and cruise from here on out so I’m excited to see where the gainz go [emoji1688]
Try concentration curls with your wrist bent (dumbbell below wrist). It will help you work on the peak
Hate to say this but you cant work on your “peak”. Your biceps are shaped how they’re shaped. You can only increase their size to fill out their natural shape. Its unfortunate but true.
Same goes for guys training “width” or “thickness” on a back day. You can’t. Fibers grow outward from their orientation. The shape of the muscle and group is predetermined.
Same goes for guys training “width” or “thickness” on a back day. You can’t. Fibers grow outward from their orientation. The shape of the muscle and group is predetermined.
Biceps have only 2 heads. Can’t do much about manipulating that to build a peak.
But to claim you can’t work on back width or thickness is totally wrong.
Yup, thats what makes BB a beauty contest. The best predetermined genetics win the show. Shape and symmetry of the quality of muscle bellies is what makes it what it is. No different than an ugly bitch like Rosie Odonnell vs Adriana Lima. Try as she might Rosie isnt ever touching Adriana. Its predetermined. Same goes for a guy like Shaq at over 7' vs Mark Wahlberg who is a shorty. Try as he might hell never catch Shaq. Its predetermined. These are all examples of genetics and the spectrum on which we all fall in various aspects. Muscle bellies and symmetry is just another example of genes at work
Id love to hear why. You can only make a muscle grow. Pulldowns do not make a muscle magically grow wider. Rows don’t magically make it grow thicker. The muscles you target grow between their insertions. That’s it. The concept that the movement or grip dictates how the muscle grows is inherently wrong.
If you hear or subscribe to training lat width or lat thickness, that just isn’t how it works.
Maybe we’re talking past each other. What is your concept of width vs thickness based on?
If you hear or subscribe to training lat width or lat thickness, that just isn’t how it works.
Maybe we’re talking past each other. What is your concept of width vs thickness based on?
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I haven’t tried either. It’s hard to imagine trigili’s stuff is anything but temporary given the ingredients. And i also have no desire nor the proper to support to fuck with synthol.
Here’s a good example of what im talking about.
Flex v Lunsford v Elgargni
Flex gets WRECKED by Lunsford in the width department. It isn’t because Flex isn’t doing enough pulldowns or pullovers. If it were that way, Neil should be fired.
Flex simply doesn’t have the genetic features favoring back width.
Flex v Lunsford v Elgargni
Flex gets WRECKED by Lunsford in the width department. It isn’t because Flex isn’t doing enough pulldowns or pullovers. If it were that way, Neil should be fired.
Flex simply doesn’t have the genetic features favoring back width.
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Jankauskas
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You don’t train your lats to get thicker versus wider.
When you train for back thickness, you focus on the muscles that give your back the “density” look: rhomboids, middle and upper traps, etc. These muscles when very developed will give your back a more “meaty” look.
Training for back width you focus more on your lats, doing a variety of pull downs, to prioritize them over the other muscles that I talked about before.
That’s the concept of back thickness vs width.
If this is whats meant then the concept is moot. This is just training your back. Guys specifically talk horizontal vs vertical pulls when talking this, and it’s wrong, IMO. You will look hollow without developed lats and your visual width will suffer without a developed upper back. Maybe I’m missing something, but separating the two seems 100% silly to me.
Also, if anyone isnt using lat dominated rows in training...you’re missing out.
Maybe I’m retarded and built a back by accident and just like to think I understand anatomy. *shrug* it’s all possible. I’ve just never seen any benefit to separating these concepts OR seen benefit from a specific movment in aiding either “thickness” or “width”.
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Jankauskas
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You separate them when one of them is lagging and you need to make up for that, in your case, what I’m betting happened is that you have a well rounded back so you just do a normal balanced back routine and you are good to go.
I have a hard time developing my upper middle back, so in my back workout I do mostly rowing movements and trap work with just 1 lat pull down exercise to address the “width”.
Maybe @weighted chinup could chime in on this subject since he is very knowledgeable regarding general training.
weighted chinup
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I draw a distinction between horizontal rows and vertical rows only for structuring a training day for recovery/performance purposes and less so for actual physique development purposes.
On my first pull day I will generally do my most intense/fatiguing row movement (currently underhanded smith rows with a pause) and probably use a less intense vertical pull like a pulldown variation. On my second pull day, I will use my more fatiguing vertical pull (weighted chinup this mesocycle) and a less systemically fatiguing row (such as a cable seated row).
The only benefit for this is it helps with recovery and performance in the gym (performance in the context of a single session - more intensity and less fatigue going into the main movement(s) which minimizes junk volume)
I don't believe in separating horizontal rows or vertical pulls entirely though, I think both should be performed on any given back training day (exception of maybe rack pulls).
Anecdotally, I'm not convinced vertical pulls are any more effective at putting size on my lats than underhanded rowing at this point, at least not in a significant way. I think people use incorrect cues to try and remove their lat recruitment from their rows for the sake of middle back or traps but this just ends up building less muscle overall. A properly performed row will have a shit-tonne of lat recruitment.
Even a pronated single arm row, on the surface it seems like it's great for middle back, and it is, but it's absolutely fantastic for lat development due to the pre-stretch you can get. If someone were to change their cue's to minimize lats in favor of feeling it more in their middle back it's just making the movement less effective overall at building muscle. With back development, I'll take as much size as I can get any day, whether it be width or small details.
Upper middle back work a lot of the time can be addressed without changing your normal workload / weekly volume targets - assuming it's the little details you're missing - movements like band pull aparts, scapular push-ups, prone-y raises can be implemented at the end of a back session and can target these small areas and really give your middle back a "pop" to it - and help with a tonne of imbalances as well. They are super mild for recovery purposes so weekly volume does not have to be adjusted, you can just throw them on.
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