Why run anavar and tren together?

[Hungrymofo]

Funny you mention this, I was just running Test tren mast and Var. I just dropped the Anavar 5 days ago and feel soo much better with just test tren mast. The addition of anavar added no benefit what so ever. I ran for 4 brutal weeks. The fatigue and back pain was so debilitating. I hoped the Var would offer some kind of “collagen synthesis”. Nope. My opinion is they are better used separately.

 

[Live_Evil]

Yeah I normally don't cut too much, this will be my first real attempt at getting low bodyfat, low for me being like 12 max

My strength is no where near where it was pre covid, but slowly coming back, bench and squat both a took a shit, deadlift is coming back quickly which I knew it would as I've always been a big puller

Just slower progression with such low carbs

You're a powerlifter and about to use anavar... my man, get ready for a fun time, lol. The last time I ran large dosages of anavar I was adding 5 lbs to my squat every time I squatted, so 3 times a week, just like I was a day one noob.

You probably won't have the same effect during a cut, but it's quite fun in a caloric surplus.

 

[Live_Evil]

Anavar is by no means weak. And i mean this in regards to effectd and side effects.

I couldn't agree more. On large dosages it's feels as "hardcore" as anything I've personally used, only with hellacious strength gains and pump. The pump is fucking painful if you train for hypertrophy. It'll make you switch to low reps really quickly, and the pump will still kick your ass.

The worst side effects (other than the kick to the lipid profile) for me, would have to be the constant nosebleeds and anxiety. The nosebleeds were actually shockingly bad, multiple times. I actually went to the hospital for a nosebleed at one point because it just wouldn't stop no matter what I did. Constant bleeding like you're going to die + horrid anxiety isn't a good combination, lol.

Makes me wonder any time I see a powerlifter's nose bleed during a heavy lift.

 

[Maximus014]

That's pretty low. I just hit 15 percent. I haven't been this low since I was 5. Maybe 8 years ago but I don't have a scan to confirm

Yeah I honestly doubt I'll get there but it's the goal, I'd be happy with 15 realistically

Right now my blood pressures down, my mobility has been awesome, and I feel great overall, so it's definitely been worth all the cardio and dieting so far

 

[Palifter]

I’m a big fan of combining 2 orals at lower doses to achieve a synergy or look that might not be achievable by a single oral (and with less sides potentially).

I’ll be throwing in var + winny here shortly. Tren has been in the mix a few weeks now.

A lot of coaches these days actually prefer winny over anavar leading up to a show for the sole reason being how frequently anavar is faked. Ironically, winny is usually the compound it’s being faked with (or tbol).

 

[Maximus014]

I’m a big fan of combining 2 orals at lower doses to achieve a synergy or look that might not be achievable by a single oral (and with less sides potentially).

I’ll be throwing in var + winny here shortly. Tren has been in the mix a few weeks now.

A lot of coaches these days actually prefer winny over anavar leading up to a show for the sole reason being how frequently anavar is faked. Ironically, winny is usually the compound it’s being faked with (or tbol).

What dosages when combining var and winny like 40 var 25 winstrol or would that be too low in your opinion, this was the route I have been contemplating since I jave both

 

[Palifter]

What dosages when combining var and winny like 40 var 25 winstrol or would that be too low in your opinion, this was the route I have been contemplating since I jave both

Certainly nothing wrong with starting there. I’m thinking I’ll keep it simple and start at 50mg for both, can always go up from there.

Im a proponent of starting low (relative to individual) and ramping up. I think it’s silly when people go all in and boom they’re already capped at their dosage ceiling with nowhere to go. Bodybuilding is all about progression.

 

[Rido]

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A lot of coaches these days actually prefer winny over anavar leading up to a show for the sole reason being how frequently anavar is faked. Ironically, winny is usually the compound it’s being faked with (or tbol).

With your actual experience in the competition world instead of one of us online people repeating shit.


For competitors
Do they really still get fake var? Do they use shit sites like napsgear?


I feel like our sources are true but I wondered where other people get gear? Like Odin etc.

I go to an ifbb gym but I wondered where they get their gear.

I was just talking to a buddy who thinks one of his sources gets tren made by a chemist in the US. In reality he is probably the same as our sources with an operation.

 

[Palifter]

With your actual experience in the competition world instead of one of us online people repeating shit.


For competitors
Do they really still get fake var? Do they use shit sites like napsgear?


I feel like our sources are true but I wondered where other people get shit. Like Odin etc.

I go to an ifbb gym but I wondered where they get their gear.

I was just talking to a buddy who thinks one of his sources gets tren made by a chemist in the US. In reality he is probably the same as our sources with an operation.

I obviously can’t speak for everyone but a lot of competitors including myself get referred to private sources recommended by their coach. Having said that, yes, things are still faked. I’d say it’s become a lot less prevalent since we’re distancing ourselves from the pandemic.

These private sources already have an influx of repeat customers and have no need or want to advertise on a public forum. The sources also typically are a one stop shop for a serious competitors needs - exotic compounds, all insulin variations, all diuretic needs, Pharma everything, their own UGL line, rec drugs sometimes etc.

I get a few things from a private source but also have no issues using sources on this board.

 

[Rido]

I obviously can’t speak for everyone but a lot of competitors including myself get referred to private sources recommended by their coach. Having said that, yes, things are still faked. I’d say it’s become a lot less prevalent since we’re distancing ourselves from the pandemic.

These private sources already have an influx of repeat customers and have no need or want to advertise on a public forum. The sources also typically are a one stop shop for a serious competitors needs - exotic compounds, all insulin variations, all diuretic needs, Pharma everything, their own UGL line, rec drugs sometimes etc.

I get a few things from a private source but also have no issues using sources on this board.

That's very interesting. I wonder how much their upcharge on everything is. I always did wonder when coaches introduce people to their first cycles, cycle design, how much it varies from us, etc.

 

[Palifter]

That's very interesting. I wonder how much their upcharge on everything is. I always did wonder when coaches introduce people to their first cycles, cycle design, how much it varies from us, etc.

That’s going to vary a ton from coach to coach. I’ve worked with coaches that push everything but the kitchen sink and others that are ultra conservative with PED’s.

That’s why it’s important to shop around when looking for a coach and ensuring the two of you align on multiple fronts.

 

[phenominal34]

you said "favorable side effect profile" which is not correct.

It absolutely is - it’s up there with mast and proviron. That’s why it’s an oral you can stay on much longer and it’s also an oral of choice for women. It’s def one of the less harsh side effect steroids.

 

[Btcowboy]

thought PL people don't cut, but I might be wrong though

Fair assumption as there are some pretty large guys PLing. I am a powerlifter as well and cutting as well. Went up a weight class (242) for a meet last November. Just hit 213 last week, want to compete next year at 198 and then settle into that weight class.

Gear for the cut to make my post relevant.
Just finished 8 week blast
6iu GH ED
50mg Tren A ED
30mg Test Cyp WD
40mg Var ED

Cruising right now for another month and upped calories to maintenance as well. Crusing on 100mg Test Cyp 2x week and 4iu GH ED

When I drop calories again will add in Albuterol, DMAA, Caffeine for about 6 weeks. Will blast again later in the fall to finish cut
4iu GH ED
70mg Tren A ED
30mg Test Cyp ED
40mg Var ED
May add Mast P at 70mg ED
Also may add DNP at 200 ED not sure.

 

[amindzeye]

It really isn't any more effective at building muscle in a caloric surplus than many other compounds

What about when it's combined with anadrol?

 

[testaholic]

Believe it or not, anavar is the closest thing to tren regarding severe anabolism in a caloric deficit. The way tren interacts with glucocorticoid receptors is unmatched, but anavar is a distant second, while nothing else really comes close.

Being perfectly factual though, people dramatically overstate tren's anabolism during a bulk. It really isn't any more effective at building muscle in a caloric surplus than many other compounds, but it's quite amazing in a deficit.

As such, anavar is a great alternative for individuals who really experience tren sides.

Personally, I avoid tren, but I love anavar. Large dosages come with their own host of sides, but the strength gains are amazing, and the muscle sparing during a cut is only surpassed by tren.

I think that's why most of us try to go through different paths of the anabolic categories right?

Obviously there are some of them with unique benefits
Mast with e2 receptors
Primo with AI like effects.

I would say it's typical that they used different compounds/medicine to achieve a certain goal.


From a medical standpoint
Whether it's multiple blood pressure medications, chemotherapies, and other medications that have synergistic effects.

If one medication causes more acid reflux and one causes tremors. Instead of using max dose of both. Use half of max on each to make it tolerable for the patient.

Is anavar really all that effective for recomp though? I mean, I know it can indirectly help in the sense that its anti catabolic properties might allow one to reap more of the anabolism inherent from other compounds in the stack, and also that it promotes lipolysis from the stomach area (pretty sure this is unique to var?)

And of course all AAS will help with recomp to some degree, provided diet allows it

But from a nutrient partitioning perspective? I've never really thought of anavar as being a recomp drug. Esp not compared to tren

 

[Rido]

Is anavar really all that effective for recomp though? I mean, I know it can indirectly help in the sense that its anti catabolic properties might allow one to reap more of the anabolism inherent from other compounds in the stack, and also that it promotes lipolysis from the stomach area (pretty sure this is unique to var?)

And of course all AAS will help with recomp to some degree, provided diet allows it

But from a nutrient partitioning perspective? I've never really thought of anavar as being a recomp drug. Esp not compared to tren

I think anything can be considered a recomp drug...

any anabolic could be considered a nutrient partitioner correct? some more than others.


I honestly think you are overthinking this whole thing. any drug can be considered a recomp drug... it would be more effective to have one that reduces your appetite.

 

[PinIt2WinIt]

If I could run anavar and tren all year long I would lol. Love them both!

 

[GreenAmine]

superdrol which is dimethylated

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[lukiss96]

What does this have to do with anything?

I assume, that's why it makes me and a lot of other people taking sdrol sick?

 

[GreenAmine]

I assume, that's why it makes me and a lot of other people taking sdrol sick?

The methylation at C17 is what contributes to hepatotoxicity, not the methylation at C2.

As far as I understand, the exact cause of AAS-induced lethargy is not known. From what I can surmise, it actually seems to be caused [at least] partially by a drug's ability to block cortisol from binding to its receptors. This lowers adrenaline production, causing lethargy.

The digestive issues caused by oral AASs also don't seem to correlate strongly to hepatic strain. They cause gastritis in some users, just like Cialis does. As far as I know, the underlying mechanism for this is also unknown.

@Type-IIx knows this stuff better than I do though. Hopefully he can drop some knowledge on this topic.