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Why there almost certainly is No God!!
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Let me ask you this.
Are you pro drug war, pro police state, pro nanny state?
Do you enjoy arbitrary power where a group of people decide without limitation what is right and wrong and push this into our courts and end up foisting draconian rules, laws and morality on all of us?
Religion isn't as innocent as you might think, it's not just a set of personal beliefs, the intention is to hijack a society and force all of us to pretend to respect things that deserve no respect.
It's like a soldier that gets enraged when he sees someone burning a flag, not realizing that he to was fucked in the ass and sent to fight in a useless war on behalf of a class of people that don't give a shit about him.
In other words it's time to wake up society, nappy time is over.
Villain
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Dude, it’s almost every. single. post of yours. You said you’re not on a street corner shouting the gospel, but you choose nearly every post to spew your anti God talk. Not everything is about God, yet you always find a way to interject it.
MisterSuperGod
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Read one post and you've pretty much read them all.
Villain
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Absolutely man.
I believe in God. I believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins. And I believe my name was written in the lambs book of life. Those are my beliefs. I will tell you about my beliefs unashamedly but I can't make you believe as I do that is a decision you choose or not. That's why it's called a personal relationship with Christ. Thank you for respecting my choices as I will yours. If I'm wrong I haven't harmed you in the least, if I'm right I will enjoy eternity with the lord I chose to serve.
Sorry guys but I can't resist.
You are entitled to your beliefs, just as long as you keep your church and religion completely out of the federal and state government and all of its functions paid for by "all" tax payers, including those that have no use for religion.
People should be able to do as they please as long as they don't force their morality onto others. So far I haven't seen that take place with the two dominant Abrahamic religions, Christianity and Islam.
As for telling me about your beliefs, that's another problem. Proselytizing, knocking on peoples doors, public displays of religion, praying in public, judging people for being homosexuals, or having abortions, prostitution, narcotic use, gambling, cussing. All the vices that get good clean religious folk all hot and bothered.
The New Testament tells Christians to go in their closet to pray, don't put on public displays of piety. You should hide your faith. Keep it a secret.
movingiron88
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So your ok with killing unborn babies, or murdering whichever you call it? Because religion is against it?
Villain
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Now that’s probably about the most blatant twisting of scripture if I’ve ever seen it. You come off as pretty intelligent and well learned, but this is by far one of the stupidest things I’ve seen come from you.
4Figgy
Member
Yep. Shows a COMPLETE lack of knowledge of some basics of the Scriptures.
Villain
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That’s a given lol, but this was a deliberate twisting of scripture, not just lack of knowledge.
Anyone can cherry pick scripture, anyone can twist and interpret it any way they want.
You have more than a thousand different denominations of Christianity, all with different interpretations of the bible.
One could say Christians should drink poison and handle venomous snakes and there's even a denomination for that.
It's all open for interpretation.
I've seen Christians try to apologize for this dandy of a verse:
Deut 25:11-12
11. "When men fight with one another and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts(testicles), 12. then you shall cut off her hand. Your eye shall have no pity" English Standard Version.
Now this is very clear to me, I'm not sure why you would need an apologist for this, but I've seen some really creative interpretations.
Numbers 5:11-31 NRSV edition
The verse concerning the (suspected) Unfaithful Wife.
This is a long verse that discuses a husband that suspects his wife has been unfaithful and been impregnated by another man, he has no actual proof. So this verse instructs him to take her to the alter and have the priest scoop up some dried blood and guts from the alter floor where they sacrifice animals, put it in some water and have her drink it, if she has committed adultery her abdomen will swell, her uterus will drop and she well abort the baby.
This verse is directly talking about an abortion. Which I find odd because Christians are hardcore anti-abortion, but yet Yahweh the god of the bible has ordered this to be carried out.
As for abortion, I'm not for it at all, but my problem is that Christians use it as a political tool. They vote for politicians that are against it even if their policies are backwards and draconian in every other aspect. Also I've never seen a Christian that is against abortion take that same stance when it comes to invading other countries and dropping bombs on women and children.
The abortion debate is really a matter of control, Christians don't like women with rights, women need to be put in their place, the bible is really about what males want, women are here to have their wombs filled with man juice so they can blast babies out of their crotches to increase the size of the lords flock.
You have more than a thousand different denominations of Christianity, all with different interpretations of the bible.
One could say Christians should drink poison and handle venomous snakes and there's even a denomination for that.
It's all open for interpretation.
I've seen Christians try to apologize for this dandy of a verse:
Deut 25:11-12
11. "When men fight with one another and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts(testicles), 12. then you shall cut off her hand. Your eye shall have no pity" English Standard Version.
Now this is very clear to me, I'm not sure why you would need an apologist for this, but I've seen some really creative interpretations.
Numbers 5:11-31 NRSV edition
The verse concerning the (suspected) Unfaithful Wife.
This is a long verse that discuses a husband that suspects his wife has been unfaithful and been impregnated by another man, he has no actual proof. So this verse instructs him to take her to the alter and have the priest scoop up some dried blood and guts from the alter floor where they sacrifice animals, put it in some water and have her drink it, if she has committed adultery her abdomen will swell, her uterus will drop and she well abort the baby.
This verse is directly talking about an abortion. Which I find odd because Christians are hardcore anti-abortion, but yet Yahweh the god of the bible has ordered this to be carried out.
As for abortion, I'm not for it at all, but my problem is that Christians use it as a political tool. They vote for politicians that are against it even if their policies are backwards and draconian in every other aspect. Also I've never seen a Christian that is against abortion take that same stance when it comes to invading other countries and dropping bombs on women and children.
The abortion debate is really a matter of control, Christians don't like women with rights, women need to be put in their place, the bible is really about what males want, women are here to have their wombs filled with man juice so they can blast babies out of their crotches to increase the size of the lords flock.
4Figgy
Member
Go read “Is God a Moral Monster” by Copan for a better understanding of the Old Testament.
Your “understanding” of Christianity is only a gross misinterpretation of it, and your “preaching” of how bad it is only shows your ignorance of the religion.
Your “understanding” of Christianity is only a gross misinterpretation of it, and your “preaching” of how bad it is only shows your ignorance of the religion.
I've read the bible cover to cover, poured through what is considered the most scholarly commentaries.
The bible has 1700 verses of cruelty, barbarity, genocide, slavery, sex slavery, child sex slavery, stoning men, women and children to death, amputating your wifes hand if she grabs a mans testicles. The fastest way to atheist is to read the bible. Matter of fact the fastest way to getting rid of all religions is to read there scriptures, whether that be the Quran which is one of the most mind numbing books warning of hell on every other page. The Vedas for the Hindus, another incredible collection of nonsense. The Discourses of the Buddha, half way respectable because it's completely non-violent, but has the silly concept of rebirth and karma that would force your to embrace a reality that doesn't exist.
As an atheist and anarchist its very simple. My view of ethics would have to point to a bible that suggests "might makes right as far as the old testament", and the foolishness of the new testament that a man and his followers offered a universal truth. Nowhere in nature is there a universal truth, everything is subjective as far as the ego is concerned.
All of this I reject, if I didn't I wouldn't be truly free, it would always make me subject to a dominant morality by those that furnish the most power in a society. So If I live in the United States that would be Christianity, Middle East it would be Islam, India it would be Hindu. Asia it could be any number of religions from Buddhism, Shinto, Confucian, Taoism...ect.
I reject the idea that I should bow to any thing, I should be free to conduct my life in a way where I mind my own business and do what I want as long as I force no others. I would hope others would do the same, that they would keep their religion completely out of politics, keep their morals out of our legal system where they cause immense harms creating endless victimless crime laws because of a sense of duty to what is right based on religious preference.
The ultimate question is does man have to serve a higher purpose like a slave performing his duty, or can he have the courage to go his own way as long as his actions don't "directly" interfere with others freedom. Do I have the right living in a religious society for self-liberation, the right to reject all that is considered normal and right.
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There is quite a lot in the Bible that I don't understand or that seems barbaric and wrong to me. Most of that is in the Old Testament, though, which can be discarded IMO through the new covenant which renounces the letter of the (dead) law.
Whatever else one can say about Christianity, historically its rise is highly correlated with the establishment of a morality that is alive today even among those who are steadfast atheists and attempt to bury the religion. The latter hold up their Christian derived morals as proof of Christianity's immorality without realizing they are attacking their own origins. I don't think Christian morals are perfect, and I don't know or care if there is some divinity behind it all.
What I do care about is that Christianity represents a moral force standing against a new and rising religion, leftism or state worship. And when that new god fails as it must, Christianity will very likely still be around to pick up the pieces.
Whatever else one can say about Christianity, historically its rise is highly correlated with the establishment of a morality that is alive today even among those who are steadfast atheists and attempt to bury the religion. The latter hold up their Christian derived morals as proof of Christianity's immorality without realizing they are attacking their own origins. I don't think Christian morals are perfect, and I don't know or care if there is some divinity behind it all.
What I do care about is that Christianity represents a moral force standing against a new and rising religion, leftism or state worship. And when that new god fails as it must, Christianity will very likely still be around to pick up the pieces.
Villain
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Keep their morals out of the legal system? Which morals should then be kept and which discarded?
The problem is those like myself that get the label of atheist, or anti-theist. We aren't by default leftist.
I have no need for left or far right politics, both are disasters.
I prefer to keep it simple. I believe you should have a national defense paid for with what we call taxes. I believe the citizens should be well armed and capable of using their own firearms.
I believe that all victimless crime laws should be abolished. If you don't egress on person or property the state and federal government has no right to do anything to you. If you can't present a person victim of your actions, if all you have is this vague idea of shattering public trust, then there has been no crime.
That alone would be a nice start to returning freedom to this country. You do that and I could careless what religion you practice. However it will never happen, we have too many people that buy into the idea that you have committed a sin, an act against god if you do anything to your body or property that isn't wholesome and righteous.
You're fooling yourself. I've read enough of your diatribes to know better.
