Why there almost certainly is No God!!

[ALEKSANDR]

Kinda the first one, i believe what we call GOD is the sum of laws that regulate Matter in the Universe, and the Matter too.
I think “consciousness” is just an activity done by the matter, so by what “we” call God.

I would have happily avoid this fuckin consciousness, i would have preferred being a fuckin black hole or the nothing out of the universe.

Being surrounded by the idiocy the nature needs to exhist, with so many questions because of the consciousness and without “official” answers, with the only sense in life that for me is to wait our death in best way possible, does hurt my soul.

i would prefer being a Muslim Kamikaze or a proud USA soldier trusting in Jesus / God, i m deeply Nihilist other than Pantheist.

I dont wanna see out of earth because it makes me sad.. those supernova and galaxies dont care about humans, ahah, i dont care about them and most of all i truly hate the stuff about nuclear structure, electrons bosons gluons muons neutrins , gravity force with gravitons, force shields, i hate all of those toughts, because how much horrible are these fuckin bosons gluons electron with their fuckin spins i see every fuckin day with the cruelty of man kind.
I visited Dakau, i heard about what that fuckin shitty man Kin Wong something ordered to those fuckin brainless guys, i saw that the brainless german people did with the holocaust, i think about your great USA are founded on a earth conquered killing the natives and importing niggaz slaves from Africa, i think about fuckin Muslims, i think about niggaz tribes do to children and in general, i think about what Narcos do everyday, i think about the scammers that put on market fake AAS and peps, and so on.. I HATE THE UNIVERSE, i would love to get away from it, far from other big bangs and recombinations of matter

Sounds like a cross between existentialism and antinatalism.

I to assign a negative value to birth, that there is far more suffering than pleasure. That there is a cruelty baked into existence that most people never seem to recognize and if you point it out you are told to be thankful, as morons try to spew some propaganda bullshit, that we live in Gods country and you should stfu.

Lots of problems that need to be fixed, too many mentally lazy fucks that lack impulse and drive to at least point out the obvious.

I do believe we have the power to get rid of much of our problems by just letting go of competition, ego, fucking with each other, learning to tolerate. Most importantly to back off and let people just be who they are without trying to get them to fit the factory farm way of life.

However I know it's not gonna get fixed and those that are conscience of just how fucked up it is are gonna have to grind out long torturous years until they fall over and croak finally turning the brain off.

 

[Snakum]

Hmmmm ... that's a very Buddhist outlook ... sorta.

(Says the former Buddhist monk)

 

[Michael Scally MD]

In the early years of the twenty-first century, religion seemed to be on the rise. The collapse of both communism and the Soviet Union had left an ideological vacuum that was being filled by Orthodox Christianity in Russia and other post-Soviet states. The election in the United States of President George W. Bush, an evangelical Christian who made no secret of his piety, suggested that evangelical Christianity was rising as a political force in the country. And the 9/11 attacks directed international attention to the power of political Islam in the Muslim world.

A dozen years ago, my colleague Pippa Norris and I analyzed data on religious trends in 49 countries, including a few subnational territories such as Northern Ireland, from which survey evidence was available from 1981 to 2007 (these countries contained 60 percent of the world’s population). We did not find a universal resurgence of religion, despite claims to that effect—most high-income countries became less religious—but we did find that in 33 of the 49 countries we studied, people became more religious during those years. This was true in most former communist countries, in most developing countries, and even in a number of high-income countries. Our findings made it clear that industrialization and the spread of scientific knowledge were not causing religion to disappear, as some scholars had once assumed.

But since 2007, things have changed with surprising speed. From about 2007 to 2019, the overwhelming majority of the countries we studied—43 out of 49—became less religious. The decline in belief was not confined to high-income countries and appeared across most of the world.

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[Michael Scally MD]

To consider God seriously, where to start? To try to see the big picture of God, what are the questions? What are the categories? What would be the prime attributes or traits of a Supreme Being, the supposed Creator of the universe? What would be God's essence and nature, purposes and plans? What can be said for God and against God?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I m one of the smartest guy in my bedroom... and i live alone... but, listen :

we are matter of the universe that has become self conscious

the concept of god is created as a consequence of our cognitive activity..

Matter , i (difficult to identify what really is “i”) think, is god... matter always existed... time exists in relation of something like changes in a structure.. if an electron doesn’t “die” ... “time” means nothing for it... always existed and for ever will... maybe...

From nothing , i think, nothing can born... nothing is nothing... is no space, no thing... neither the littlest thing in the universe...

Life on earth took the way we can see everyday.. OUR natural selection leads to a giant number of “stupid” people, thats useful... thats less problematic than others, that are a few... (and there are lucky stupids that can even do big things) ... there is a lot of people without empathy.. that bring sufference to the whole world... And the biggest curse of being “self conscious matter” is to be able to suffer...

we re born to suffer...

“We” are born clueless, and consequently to our cognition, we “think” about who “we are”.. where “we come from” and why...

The fact that lot of smart people strumentalized answers and questions to make lot of money and get power, its an another story... fuck “god” fuck “church” fuck everything... fuck the universe.. the electrons.. the bosons.. the gluons.. the dark matter... the fuck you want... the final result of atoms subatoms and forces is: the human sufference... universe is crap... Geneva’s CERN is crap... we should make the earth collide with the sun instead of stupid protons/neutrons/fucktrons... it would be so funny... i m very disappointed with how this fuckin planet s running since day 1

 

[limitphobic]

I m one of the smartest guy in my bedroom... and i live alone... but, listen :

we are matter of the universe that has become self conscious

the concept of god is created as a consequence of our cognitive activity..

Matter , i (difficult to identify what really is “i”) think, is god... matter always existed... time exists in relation of something like changes in a structure.. if an electron doesn’t “die” ... “time” means nothing for it... always existed and for ever will... maybe...

From nothing , i think, nothing can born... nothing is nothing... is no space, no thing... neither the littlest thing in the universe...

Life on earth took the way we can see everyday.. OUR natural selection leads to a giant number of “stupid” people, thats useful... thats less problematic than others, that are a few... (and there are lucky stupids that can even do big things) ... there is a lot of people without empathy.. that bring sufference to the whole world... And the biggest curse of being “self conscious matter” is to be able to suffer...

we re born to suffer...

“We” are born clueless, and consequently to our cognition, we “think” about who “we are”.. where “we come from” and why...

The fact that lot of smart people strumentalized answers and questions to make lot of money and get power, its an another story... fuck “god” fuck “church” fuck everything... fuck the universe.. the electrons.. the bosons.. the gluons.. the dark matter... the fuck you want... the final result of atoms subatoms and forces is: the human sufference... universe is crap... Geneva’s CERN is crap... we should make the earth collide with the sun instead of stupid protons/neutrons/fucktrons... it would be so funny... i m very disappointed with how this fuckin planet s running since day 1

You had my attention and full support for the first chunk of your post. then you got on to todays modern politics and stuff and i think anarchy is the way. the true way. it worked fine for nature. yeah itd get ugly for us for the first little stretch. but balance would be acheived... (to an extent)

Excellent post, my friend.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

You had my attention and full support for the first chunk of your post. then you got on to todays modern politics and stuff and i think anarchy is the way. the true way. it worked fine for nature. yeah itd get ugly for us for the first little stretch. but balance would be acheived... (to an extent)

Excellent post, my friend.

thats good to hear, and seeing someone sensible to that argument...
anyway i made the first part evolve because in that moment i thought there was much more to say...

“We” and its fuckin hard to determine what the fuck “we are” .. we, perceive us as “we” because its consequential to “our” “structure”.. “we” see .. we hear.. “we think”... we make connections between concepts and we rely in some “logic”... but just thinking about how everything could start, you find thats very awkward thinking that the most logical hypotesis is at the same time illogical : from nothing, nothing can born, so everything should always existed.

Its sad to hope for some answers, and its sad not knowing whats goin to happen after what we call death...

My biggest problem arise now... since this thing “we” call “we” originates from matter, and matter seems to be have always been here and for ever will be, i think that evey time “we” die, “we” come back to life, as part of the universe, as “experiences” , not as “souls” etc, and thats difficult even to say “this could be the 100000st time “i” am some matter conscious in the universe, we dont know if there was “a first time” or if we couldnt find a start... it seems no sense, maybe matter always existed but wasnt always alive.
So my fear is to “live” other experiences after “my” actual death... and find them worse than this one... and actually i m very lucky, because havent experienced real horror stories like so many Have.

“I“ would love to exit from the universe and never experience, in this or next lives, unreal pain like others have. And when i speak about other lives, i dont mean reincarnation, i mean “being fuckin part of the universe and become again self conscious”.

I can fulfill other dreams of mine, being millionaire, billionarie, hahah i dont give a fuck anymore...i m doomed... next time maybe i ll be like her, so lucky and happy...


I love makin fun of her... <3

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

thats good to hear, and seeing someone sensible to that argument...
anyway i made the first part evolve because in that moment i thought there was much more to say...

“We” and its fuckin hard to determine what the fuck “we are” .. we, perceive us as “we” because its consequential to “our” “structure”.. “we” see .. we hear.. “we think”... we make connections between concepts and we rely in some “logic”... but just thinking about how everything could start, you find thats very awkward thinking that the most logical hypotesis is at the same time illogical : from nothing, nothing can born, so everything should always existed.

Its sad to hope for some answers, and its sad not knowing whats goin to happen after what we call death...

My biggest problem arise now... since this thing “we” call “we” originates from matter, and matter seems to be have always been here and for ever will be, i think that evey time “we” die, “we” come back to life, as part of the universe, as “experiences” , not as “souls” etc, and thats difficult even to say “this could be the 100000st time “i” am some matter conscious in the universe, we dont know if there was “a first time” or if we couldnt find a start... it seems no sense, maybe matter always existed but wasnt always alive.
So my fear is to “live” other experiences after “my” actual death... and find them worse than this one... and actually i m very lucky, because havent experienced real horror stories like so many Have.

“I“ would love to exit from the universe and never experience, in this or next lives, unreal pain like others have. And when i speak about other lives, i dont mean reincarnation, i mean “being fuckin part of the universe and become again self conscious”.

I can fulfill other dreams of mine, being millionaire, billionarie, hahah i dont give a fuck anymore...i m doomed... next time maybe i ll be like her, so lucky and happy...


I love makin fun of her... <3

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Forgot to say, i read that universe is still expanding... one day gravity force will collapse and maybe there will be then another big bang... and i think its a fuckin loop from always and 4 ever

 

[limitphobic]

Forgot to say, i read that universe is still expanding... one day gravity force will collapse and maybe there will be then another big bang... and i think its a fuckin loop from always and 4 ever

You should read Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche if youre a reader... This man basically writes that the whole thing is nonsense and to put MEANING behind anything is absurd, as far as classifying what the universe is. To think the universe is like a machine with a purpose is paying too high an honor to something so chaotic. dont let the man made world we surround ourselves with program your way of thought into thinking this is the way EVERYWHERE. or for the entire universe for that matter. ... embrace the chaos my friend and dont dig deeper into wisdom. the more a man increases his wisdom... the more he increases his sorrow - King Solomon

check out that book lol

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

You should read Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche if youre a reader... This man basically writes that the whole thing is nonsense and to put MEANING behind anything is absurd, as far as classifying what the universe is. To think the universe is like a machine with a purpose is paying too high an honor to something so chaotic. dont let the man made world we surround ourselves with program your way of thought into thinking this is the way EVERYWHERE. or for the entire universe for that matter. ... embrace the chaos my friend and dont dig deeper into wisdom. the more a man increases his wisdom... the more he increases his sorrow - King Solomon

check out that book lol

I read Genealogy of Morals by Nietzsche.. very Nietzsche/Nice .. ahah.. it speaks about religion church and how much smart are them as shepherds and how much fools are the sheeps..
anyway i think that the main purpose of universe and matter is Being.. and that’s enough... but every fuckin time i suffer for something, physical pain (slamming fingers into hard stuff or cutting yourself by accident or whatever) or mental pain with sorrow and so on, i believe that : we re fuckin born to feel pain and that fuckin pain should fuel something.. ahah.. no way..life is a fuckin pervert phenomenon... i often think we re into the fuckin matrix and our pain fuels fuckin machines... hope Keanu Reeves will do something... I sent a message to Lawrence Fishburn askin his thoughts on it and if we could fight machines but he didnt answer... hes fuckin scared.. everybodys gangsta on set.. then when you have to fight machines for real you piss on your pants.. @morpheus23 you disappointed me a lot... dont know who the fuck is Morpheus twenty three but was the only Morpheus taggable here

 

[Uncle Ted]

Man has religion because he suffers and dies.

If you can develop AI to a point they don't need us they would have no need for religion because they wouldn't suffer and they would have no fear of death.

The only real issue is realizing that all people of certain religious dogma seem to always find the god that is most popular in their culture.

Deists...those that believe in a God without revelation is something I could halfway accept because they believe in an unknowable God, that I can't tear apart, but anyone looking at scriptures of any religion from Hindu, Jaines, Buddhists, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, they all come baked with scriptures that are so silly it should be embarrassing that any adult would take them seriously.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Man has religion because he suffers and dies.

If you can develop AI to a point they don't need us they would have no need for religion because they wouldn't suffer and they would have no fear of death.

The only real issue is realizing that all people of certain religious dogma seem to always find the god that is most popular in their culture.

Deists...those that believe in a God without revelation is something I could halfway accept because they believe in an unknowable God, that I can't tear apart, but anyone looking at scriptures of any religion from Hindu, Jaines, Buddhists, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, they all come baked with scriptures that are so silly it should be embarrassing that any adult would take them seriously.

man trust me take a read on Genealogy of Morals by Nietzsche.. you ll enjoy it a lot..

I think religion is born because of fools and then used by smart people to get power and money from them... and takin a look at vatican’s empire i think they have been pretty good doing it...

Wont speak for other religions other than Christianity..

About power , its related to money income... and some politcal things too... Nietzsche pointed out that depriving devoted trough dogmas, of the possibility of satisfying their basic needs through sex, and bonding that renounce to the spirit of that religion, could give them (to shepherds) a big power to control the sheeps... not just this... but Genealogy of Morals, means principally this.. why morals are born? They have been created by men.. why? As a tool of control...

Anyway i dont fuckin care about religious about church they can do what the fuck they want, fuck kids, fuck themselves, people can pray god, jesus, zyzz, they can do whatever, gays can get married, cant get married, Elon Musk could go to Mars , conquer it and let stupid humans ruin even Mars, Jeff Bezos could earn 1 trillion of dollars as personal assets and end up burning millions of $ in the fireplace as Pablo Escobar apparently did.. i hade my personal thoughts since 7 years old, i refused to receive my fuckin first communion, i didnt go to catechism and could care less about what people think about god religion and so fuckin on..

I truly hope to start my own porn movies company because i would avoid speaking with normal women.. i would just say Yee beeetch yee.. ohh yee.. yee oh yeehh i m fuckin coming on your fuckin ass beetch yee... and i forgot to say Yee.. ahah sorry i m a very stupid and problematic guy.. i m in lockdown and i m spending days eating fake cheat meals with sweeteners and 0 kcal sauces, practicing handstand and writing poems on Meso.. i lost my gainz and there isnt a fuckin god out there that will give me them back!!!!!

 

[Uncle Ted]

Religion as we know it exists because it was written down.

Once you write something down it's impossible to put the genie back in the bottle.

It offers cheap answers for those that are cheap. God loves you, God bless you, God will burn you in hell. Any monkey could come up with stuff like this.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Religion as we know it exists because it was written down.

Once you write something down it's impossible to put the genie back in the bottle.

It offers cheap answers for those that are cheap. God loves you, God bless you, God will burn you in hell. Any monkey could come up with stuff like this.

its not out of casuality.. people created the concept of hell to sell (for money) the possibility of saving your soul and having a place in paradise secured.. and so on

 

[kosp]

"You have made your way from worm to human, and much in you is still worm. Once you were apes, and even now a human is still more ape than any ape. But whoever is wisest among you is also just a conflict and a cross between plant and ghost. But do I implore you to become ghosts or plants? Behold, I teach you the overman! The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth! I beseech you, my brothers, remain faithful to the earth and do not believe those who speak to you of extraterrestrial hopes! They are mixers of poisons whether they know it or not. They are despisers of life, dying off and self-poisoned, of whom the earth is weary: so let them fade away! Once the sacrilege against God was the greatest sacrilege, but God died, and then all these desecrators died. Now to desecrate the earth is the most terrible thing, and to esteem the bowels of the unfathomable higher than the meaning of the earth! Once the soul gazed contemptuously at the body, and then such contempt was the highest thing: it wanted the body gaunt, ghastly, starved. Thus it intended to escape the body and the earth. Oh this soul was gaunt, ghastly and starved, and cruelty was the lust of this soul! But you, too, my brothers, tell me: what does your body proclaim about your soul? Is your soul not poverty and filth and a pitiful contentment? Truly, mankind is a polluted stream. One has to be a sea to take in a polluted stream without becoming unclean. Behold, I teach you the overman: he is this sea, in him your great contempt can go under."

 

[Uncle Ted]

Nietzsche was a master of word play and aphorism. A man in constant physical pain and disability.

The problem with Nietzsche is that his thoughts only live in his mind, you bring that shit into the real world and you got yourself a serious prick standing in front of you, one the tribe will more than likely kill when he's sleeping as Nietzsche tosses off Ethics and elevates individualism, which wouldn't work in the real world because he spent the last ten years of his life in a catatonic state being cared for by his sister. And this proves that sympathy and love aren't to be looked down upon as they are necessary for survival of all people from the time you're a baby to the point your old and weak.

Nietzsche wanted mankind to live his authentic self, problem is Nietzsche didn't point out "don't be an asshole". For me Jean Paul Sartre is much more relevant for living your authentic self with none of the obsessive selfish bullshit we get from Nietzsche which materialized in the Nazi's.

 

[Uncle Ted]

its not out of casuality.. people created the concept of hell to sell (for money) the possibility of saving your soul and having a place in paradise secured.. and so on

Sure that's the commerce side of religion.

Miracle men by default are parasites.

 

[kosp]

Nietzsche was a master of word play and aphorism. A man in constant physical pain and disability.

The problem with Nietzsche is that his thoughts only live in his mind, you bring that shit into the real world and you got yourself a serious prick standing in front of you, one the tribe will more than likely kill when he's sleeping as Nietzsche tosses off Ethics and elevates individualism, which wouldn't work in the real world because he spent the last ten years of his life in a catatonic state being cared for by his sister. And this proves that sympathy and love aren't to be looked down upon as they are necessary for survival of all people from the time you're a baby to the point your old and weak.

Nietzsche wanted mankind to live his authentic self, problem is Nietzsche didn't point out "don't be an asshole". For me Jean Paul Sartre is much more relevant for living your authentic self with none of the obsessive selfish bullshit we get from Nietzsche which materialized in the Nazi's.

So, as his life wasn´t an example (pain, disability, and the catatonic state as you say), his ideas are automatically invalid? That´s the most common criticism against Nietzsche, in the lines of "he was crazy as fuck", too basic thinking.

What Nietzsche did, is to demolish the most extended world´s beliefs through sentences that were actually Bombs for the mind, that´s why everyone is so butthurt about him because no one wants their illusions to be destroyed, this man really made the reader THINK. He elevated ethical relativism to its greatest exponent, pointing towards the impulse of a purified spirit free from contempt.

The proof is that you, in your argument, have used a dichotomy between "individualism" and "love and sympathy", as if they were completely opposite, this is known as "Straw Man Argument" (google it if you don´t know).

In fact, his top book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" was about spreading the message out of love towards mankind, just because it is written aggressively and through lyricism doesn´t mean it´s trying to indoctrinate people to kill the weak, read carefully the book and you will see.

Finally, you go from "individualism" to "obsessive selfish bullshit", It´s very noticeable that you know the typical stuff that everyone knows about philosophy; biased teachings from school to get a "Pass" and outside gossiping.

I invite you to read Nietzsche again and reflect on it, and most importantly, to not be afraid of feeling that you´re wrong as fuck.

 

[Uncle Ted]

So, as his life wasn´t an example (pain, disability, and the catatonic state as you say), his ideas are automatically invalid? That´s the most common criticism against Nietzsche, in the lines of "he was crazy as fuck", too basic thinking.

What Nietzsche did, is to demolish the most extended world´s beliefs through sentences that were actually Bombs for the mind, that´s why everyone is so butthurt about him because no one wants their illusions to be destroyed, this man really made the reader THINK. He elevated ethical relativism to its greatest exponent, pointing towards the impulse of a purified spirit free from contempt.

The proof is that you, in your argument, have used a dichotomy between "individualism" and "love and sympathy", as if they were completely opposite, this is known as "Straw Man Argument" (google it if you don´t know).

In fact, his top book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" was about spreading the message out of love towards mankind, just because it is written aggressively and through lyricism doesn´t mean it´s trying to indoctrinate people to kill the weak, read carefully the book and you will see.

Finally, you go from "individualism" to "obsessive selfish bullshit", It´s very noticeable that you know the typical stuff that everyone knows about philosophy; biased teachings from school to get a "Pass" and outside gossiping.

I invite you to read Nietzsche again and reflect on it, and most importantly, to not be afraid of feeling that you´re wrong as fuck.

As an atheist I have some respect for Nietzsche, his critique of religion cost him later in life.

Beyond that he can provide no answers for me. He was a master of tearing down, but what he put up as replacement is questionable. I wouldn't want to live under a Nietzschian ideal, where his value system is imposed. His writing to me come off as egoist. We all know Nietzsche was brilliant, but using that with harsh critique, prizing strength and dominance. There is a place for asceticism, for showing weakness. You don't have to pretend to always be strong, because that can be just as exhausting as a society that insists you must believe in their God, its just another facade.

I will first state that because my personal philosophy is Anarchist I also ask "why". Why am I doing this, why do I believe this, why does that person believe in this, why should anyone impose themselves on another.

Once you go down this route you start eliminating one thing after another, pretty soon eventually you're only left with who you really are because you have to deal with yourself. For me that accomplishes what Nietzsche set out to accomplish, but with none of the will to power nonsense that can end up being cruel.

Most people don't want to strive to be the hero, to overcome, they just want to be left alone to live their lives how they see fit without having some asshole come alone pointing out how they are deficient.

Lets put it this way. You have to be extremely careful of Nietzsche because we've seen through history tyrants using his writings to legitimize their power trips.

That's why I stick with the Anarchist philosophers that leave people alone, I would never want to exert my will on someone. Ask them questions why they believe what they believe, but never tell them this is how the show goes from here on out.

Not everyone is in some form of great struggle, or interested in wasting time ticking off accomplished goals that often cause more problems then they solve.

 

[Michael Scally MD]