Roid Rage
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Here is what physicist Lubos Motl has to say on the matter:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/02/has-big-bang-theory-been-disproved.html
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Why there almost certainly is No God!!
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Here is what physicist Lubos Motl has to say on the matter:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/02/has-big-bang-theory-been-disproved.html
double-leg
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I dont believe in a "god". but what about another species setting of a flurry of life? Like an experiment. Not lil green guys like we normally see on tv but. A being of higher intelligence traveling through dimensions rather then flying from point a to point b. I do think religion has it place. As human we need to a community some sort of structure. With rules because most of us dont know how to act. Without it there would be total anarchy. Religion was basically the first policing state.
big boi
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Look I totally understand the search of our origin, it made me crazy for a long time, believing in this in that. From.my point of view the human is to complicated to originate from some big bang. If we evolved from monkeys then why isnt still happening. Im not so narrow minded to not believe in evolution. Things do evolve and change, but not to this extent. Scientists have no proof of any of these theories just "I think",or "it could have happened like this." I love science and believe scientists are some of the smartest people, but if they cant pinpoint truth then what are u left with. I would never point fingers or badmouth any of my meso brothers, im just giving my perspective. Im.not ur typical Christian, I dont judge, or push an agenda, I always respect all viewpoints even if I.dont agree with them, but I will always give what I know is the truth.
“For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain. If people need religion, ignore them and maybe they will ignore you, and you can go on with your life. It wasn't until I was beginning to do Star Trek that the subject of religion arose. What brought it up was that people were saying that I would have a chaplain on board the Enterprise. I replied, "No, we don't.”
― Gene Roddenberry
“I handed them a script and they turned it down. It was too controversial. It talked about concepts like, 'Who is God?' The Enterprise meets God in space; God is a life form, and I wanted to suggest that there may have been, at one time in the human beginning, an alien entity that early man believed was God, and kept those legends. But I also wanted to suggest that it might have been as much the Devil as it was God. After all, what kind of god would throw humans out of Paradise for eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. One of the Vulcans on board, in a very logical way, says, 'If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He's got so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being.”
― Gene Roddenberry
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/43942.Gene_Roddenberry
― Gene Roddenberry
“I handed them a script and they turned it down. It was too controversial. It talked about concepts like, 'Who is God?' The Enterprise meets God in space; God is a life form, and I wanted to suggest that there may have been, at one time in the human beginning, an alien entity that early man believed was God, and kept those legends. But I also wanted to suggest that it might have been as much the Devil as it was God. After all, what kind of god would throw humans out of Paradise for eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. One of the Vulcans on board, in a very logical way, says, 'If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He's got so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being.”
― Gene Roddenberry
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/43942.Gene_Roddenberry
big boi
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The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ky6wn
Church membership in Germany has been on the decline in recent decades. But an atheist from the town of Templin believes organised religion still has unfair advantages in German society.
His way to combat the issue: become a ‘Pastafarian’ and worship the ‘Flying Spaghetti Monster’.
FAITH VERSUS FACT - Why Science and Religion Are Incompatible by Jerry A. Coyne. [Publication Date: May 19, 2015]
http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Versus-Fact-Religion-Incompatible/dp/0670026530/
REVIEW: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/jerry-a-coyne/faith-versus-fact/
A scientist assails superstition and irrationality.
After evolutionary biologist Coyne (Ecology and Evolution/Univ. of Chicago; Why Evolution Is True, 2009, etc.) published a widely read book presenting evidence for evolution, he was astonished to find that “the proportion of creationists in America didn’t budge,” hovering between 40 and 46 percent.
Faith, he concluded, “led them to discount and reject the facts right before their noses.”
In his latest book, the author takes on the problem of faith directly, arguing that “understanding reality…is best achieved using the tools of science, and is never achieved using the methods of faith.”
Although he makes a clear and cogent argument, he may find that, once again, he is preaching to his own choir.
Coyne defines science “as a collection of methods” yielding knowledge that can be rejected or confirmed through testing. Religion derives its authority from belief in “a god, gods, or similar superhuman power.”
Coyne focuses on religions “that make empirical claims about the existence of a deity, the nature of that deity, and how it interacts with the world,” in particular Judaism, Islam, and especially Christianity.
Discounting the efforts of accommodationists, who strive to find common ground between science and religion, Coyne asserts that the two are incompatible “because they have different methods of getting knowledge about reality, different ways of assessing the reliability of that knowledge, and, in the end, arrive at conflicting conclusions about the universe.”
He notes that evolutionary biology is a special focus of incredulity or outright attack by the faithful, but he sees that other areas as well—e.g., stem cell research, vaccination, euthanasia, homosexuality, and global warming—have been undermined by religious claims.
Coyne celebrates a world without faith, claiming that there would be no loss of compassion and morality, only of pseudoscientific thought that can “do real damage to our species and our planet.”
Deeply religious readers may not even pick it up, but this is an important book that deserves an open-minded readership.
http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Versus-Fact-Religion-Incompatible/dp/0670026530/
REVIEW: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/jerry-a-coyne/faith-versus-fact/
A scientist assails superstition and irrationality.
After evolutionary biologist Coyne (Ecology and Evolution/Univ. of Chicago; Why Evolution Is True, 2009, etc.) published a widely read book presenting evidence for evolution, he was astonished to find that “the proportion of creationists in America didn’t budge,” hovering between 40 and 46 percent.
Faith, he concluded, “led them to discount and reject the facts right before their noses.”
In his latest book, the author takes on the problem of faith directly, arguing that “understanding reality…is best achieved using the tools of science, and is never achieved using the methods of faith.”
Although he makes a clear and cogent argument, he may find that, once again, he is preaching to his own choir.
Coyne defines science “as a collection of methods” yielding knowledge that can be rejected or confirmed through testing. Religion derives its authority from belief in “a god, gods, or similar superhuman power.”
Coyne focuses on religions “that make empirical claims about the existence of a deity, the nature of that deity, and how it interacts with the world,” in particular Judaism, Islam, and especially Christianity.
Discounting the efforts of accommodationists, who strive to find common ground between science and religion, Coyne asserts that the two are incompatible “because they have different methods of getting knowledge about reality, different ways of assessing the reliability of that knowledge, and, in the end, arrive at conflicting conclusions about the universe.”
He notes that evolutionary biology is a special focus of incredulity or outright attack by the faithful, but he sees that other areas as well—e.g., stem cell research, vaccination, euthanasia, homosexuality, and global warming—have been undermined by religious claims.
Coyne celebrates a world without faith, claiming that there would be no loss of compassion and morality, only of pseudoscientific thought that can “do real damage to our species and our planet.”
Deeply religious readers may not even pick it up, but this is an important book that deserves an open-minded readership.
CLEARLY - This man is an intellectual, introverted, And who has never actually been outside of his classroom or Laboratory to "Meet the people"... LOL OR NOT, I am really not sure reading here. COMPASSION may remain - YES. More like PASSION. morality.. NOPE - Gone...! At least our current standard of "morals". But perhaps in some other time OTHER THINGS are "Moral"...!?!
NO - Science and Religion DO NOT PLAY WELL TOGETHER>..! WATCH IT FIEIUUZZZ BOY..! Watch it FIZZZ..!!! LOL
- From The Excerpt - Coyne celebrates a world without faith, claiming that there would be no loss of compassion and morality, only of pseudoscientific thought that can “do real damage to our species and our planet.”
The funniest part of this statement is that if it were proven without a doubt that there was no God, THE FIRST FOLKS TO KICK HIS TEETH IN would be the "religious fanatics", whom he was attempting to explain this to...
*** Actually, for TODAY at least, I suspect that the folks who are most suspect to have an "evil streak" lurking in them to which their belief in God is keeping in check MIGHT JUST BE the very people who are MOST "RELIGIOUSLY INCLINED". For it would be THEM who are most likely keeping a monster in check and somewhere deep down AND KNOW IT...! And it certainly seems like those are the ones the most emotional in this equation.!!! To be, or not to be... And "Holy Land & Water" sure seems to be Ground Zero for War in Men...!
It makes you wonder - Don't it...!?
L............ O............... L....................... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the icing on the cake is that the "upper echelon of religiously inclined" all seem to BELIEVE that THEIR HANDS are stamped "God Approved" for Killing and Violence..! And we all of course KNOW, that it ONLY TOOK/TAKES ONE.. "Self Sacrifice" for GOD..? Suicide? Murder? While the story of JESUS depicts GREAT Self Sacrifice - I Don't think he was portrayed as out killing others for his Father in this EVENT...!
But perhaps in the next great war instead of Tying men to trees, pulling their guts out, and placing their penises in their mouths, OR screaming "Praise Allah!!!", OR tossing a playing card upon their bodies, OR Placing ENTIRE CITES UPON 8 foot high stakes to slide down from RECTUM-TO-HEART - We can do the moral thing this time and issue a "G.I. Jesus Stamp", and will and ink well full of condensed Holy Blood which we can simply stamp our enemies foreheads with. Thus ensuring our enemy not only knows that we are off the chain, but that we are a kind and loving people.! Thus, this "religious branding/marking" providing our enemy his path to Heaven for FORGIVENESS...!
And for areas which we simply bomb from afar, we can design smart bombs which etch Holy Crosses in everything left standing..?!
Anyways - Did I Digress? So here's the story of Vlad for all that are not familiar. He's apparently a historic leader in Romania WHO PLACED COUNTLESS UP ON STAKES IN THEIR ARSES TO ALLOW THEM TO SLOWLY SLIDE DOWN UNTIL PIERCING THEIR HEARTS..!
OUCH! And all in the name of RELIGION...!
*** (Perhaps it was Vlad that actually invented the Romanian Brand NAPOSIM TARAPIA Original DBoL/ and just stayed on cycle too long.. I wonder did he have an excessive Adderall script of his ADHD Too..?!)...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
"Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476/77), was a member of the House of Drăculești, a branch of the House of Basarab, also known, using his patronymic, as (Vlad) Drăculea or (Vlad) Dracula.
He was posthumously dubbed Vlad the Impaler (Romanian: Vlad Țepeș, pronounced [ˈvlad ˈt͡sepeʃ]), and was a three-time Voivode of Wallachia, ruling mainly from 1456 to 1462, the period of the incipient Ottoman conquest of the Balkans. His father, Vlad II Dracul, was a member of the Order of the Dragon, which was founded to protect Christianity in Eastern Europe. Vlad III is revered as a folk hero in Romania as well as other parts of Europe for his protection of the Romanians both north and south of the Danube.
Vlad Ţepeş's reputation was considerably darker in Western Europe than in Eastern Europe and Romania. In the West, Vlad III Ţepeş has been characterized as a tyrant who took sadistic pleasure in torturing and killing his enemies.[22] Estimates of the number of his victims range from 40,000 to 100,000.[23] He also had whole villages and fortresses destroyed and burned to the ground.[24]
Following the multiple campaigns against the invading Ottoman Turks, Vlad would never show mercy to his prisoners of war. The road to Vlad's capital of Wallachia eventually became inundated in a "forest" of 20,000 impaled and decaying corpses, and it is reported that Mehmet II's invading army of Turks turned back to Constantinople in 1462 after encountering thousands of impaled corpses along the Danube River."
THIS is INTERESTING...:
'At 13, Vlad and his brother Radu were held as political hostages by the Ottoman Turks. During his years as hostage, Vlad was educated in logic, the Quran, and the Turkishlanguage and works of literature. He would speak this language fluently in his later years.[1] He and his brother were also trained in warfare and horsemanship."
*** I think we can assume this man did not take kindly to the Quran...
- As for Vlad's end and demise, apparently his death is every bit as mysterious as Adolph Hitler and EVEN Old Rasputin Himself...!
"There are five variants of Vlad's death. Some sources[who?] say he was killed while fighting the Turks surrounded by the bodies of his loyal Moldavian bodyguards. Others say he was killed by disloyal Wallachian boyars also in the war against the Turks, or during a hunt. Lastly, other reports claim that Vlad was accidentally killed by one of his own men. The exact date of Vlad's death is unknown, presumably the end of December 1476, but it is known that he was dead by 10 January 1477. The exact location of his death is also unknown, but it would have been somewhere along the road between Bucharest and Giurgiu.[17]"
AND For you lovers of horror and GORE - You know WHO you are...:
- Longitudinal impalement[edit]
Impaling an individual along the body length has been documented in several cases, and the merchant Jean de Thevenot provides an eyewitness account of this, from 17th century Egypt, in the case of a man condemned to death for the use of false weights:[2]
They lay the Malefactor upon his Belly, with his Hands tied behind his Back, then they slit up his Fundament with a Razor, and throw into it a handful of Paste that they have in readiness, which immediately stops the Blood. After that they thrust up into his Body a very long Stake as big as a Mans Arm, sharp at the point and tapered, which they grease a little before; when they have driven it in with a Mallet, till it come out at his Breast, or at his Head or Shoulders, they lift him up, and plant this Stake very streight in the Ground, upon which they leave him so exposed for a day. One day I saw a Man upon the Pale, who was Sentenced to continue so for three Hours alive and that he might not die too soon, the Stake was not thrust up far enough to come out at any part of his Body, and they also put a stay or rest upon the Pale, to hinder the weight of his body from making him sink down upon it, or the point of it from piercing him through, which would have presently killed him: In this manner he was left for some Hours, (during which time he spoke) and turning from one side to another, prayed those that passed by to kill him, making a thousand wry Mouths and Faces, because of the pain be suffered when he stirred himself, but after Dinner the Basha sent one to dispatch him; which was easily done, by making the point of the Stake come out at his Breast, and then he was left till next Morning, when he was taken down, because he stunk horridly.
Survival time of the impaled
The survival time on the stake is quite variedly reported, from instantly or to a few minutes[3] to a few hours[4] or 1 to 3 days.[5] The Dutch overlords at Batavia, present day Jakarta, seem to have been particularly proficient in prolonging the lifetime of the impaled, one witnessing a man surviving 6 days on the stake,[6] another hearing from local surgeons that some could survive 8 or more days.[7] A critical determinant for survival length seems to be precisely how the stake was inserted: If it went into the "interior" parts, vital organs could easily be damaged, leading to a swift death. However, by letting the stake follow the spine, the impalement procedure would not damage the vital organs, and the person could survive for several days.[8]
- So was he a Christian Religious Saint? Monster with Excuse? A "Macro-007"? Right Place/Right Time? Or just a splash in TIME sucked in to the WARP...?
NO - Science and Religion DO NOT PLAY WELL TOGETHER>..! WATCH IT FIEIUUZZZ BOY..! Watch it FIZZZ..!!! LOL
- From The Excerpt - Coyne celebrates a world without faith, claiming that there would be no loss of compassion and morality, only of pseudoscientific thought that can “do real damage to our species and our planet.”
The funniest part of this statement is that if it were proven without a doubt that there was no God, THE FIRST FOLKS TO KICK HIS TEETH IN would be the "religious fanatics", whom he was attempting to explain this to...
*** Actually, for TODAY at least, I suspect that the folks who are most suspect to have an "evil streak" lurking in them to which their belief in God is keeping in check MIGHT JUST BE the very people who are MOST "RELIGIOUSLY INCLINED". For it would be THEM who are most likely keeping a monster in check and somewhere deep down AND KNOW IT...! And it certainly seems like those are the ones the most emotional in this equation.!!! To be, or not to be... And "Holy Land & Water" sure seems to be Ground Zero for War in Men...!
It makes you wonder - Don't it...!?
L............ O............... L....................... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the icing on the cake is that the "upper echelon of religiously inclined" all seem to BELIEVE that THEIR HANDS are stamped "God Approved" for Killing and Violence..! And we all of course KNOW, that it ONLY TOOK/TAKES ONE.. "Self Sacrifice" for GOD..? Suicide? Murder? While the story of JESUS depicts GREAT Self Sacrifice - I Don't think he was portrayed as out killing others for his Father in this EVENT...!
But perhaps in the next great war instead of Tying men to trees, pulling their guts out, and placing their penises in their mouths, OR screaming "Praise Allah!!!", OR tossing a playing card upon their bodies, OR Placing ENTIRE CITES UPON 8 foot high stakes to slide down from RECTUM-TO-HEART - We can do the moral thing this time and issue a "G.I. Jesus Stamp", and will and ink well full of condensed Holy Blood which we can simply stamp our enemies foreheads with. Thus ensuring our enemy not only knows that we are off the chain, but that we are a kind and loving people.! Thus, this "religious branding/marking" providing our enemy his path to Heaven for FORGIVENESS...!
And for areas which we simply bomb from afar, we can design smart bombs which etch Holy Crosses in everything left standing..?!Anyways - Did I Digress? So here's the story of Vlad for all that are not familiar. He's apparently a historic leader in Romania WHO PLACED COUNTLESS UP ON STAKES IN THEIR ARSES TO ALLOW THEM TO SLOWLY SLIDE DOWN UNTIL PIERCING THEIR HEARTS..!
OUCH! And all in the name of RELIGION...!*** (Perhaps it was Vlad that actually invented the Romanian Brand NAPOSIM TARAPIA Original DBoL/ and just stayed on cycle too long.. I wonder did he have an excessive Adderall script of his ADHD Too..?!)
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L.O.L & J.K. ... ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
"Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476/77), was a member of the House of Drăculești, a branch of the House of Basarab, also known, using his patronymic, as (Vlad) Drăculea or (Vlad) Dracula.
He was posthumously dubbed Vlad the Impaler (Romanian: Vlad Țepeș, pronounced [ˈvlad ˈt͡sepeʃ]), and was a three-time Voivode of Wallachia, ruling mainly from 1456 to 1462, the period of the incipient Ottoman conquest of the Balkans. His father, Vlad II Dracul, was a member of the Order of the Dragon, which was founded to protect Christianity in Eastern Europe. Vlad III is revered as a folk hero in Romania as well as other parts of Europe for his protection of the Romanians both north and south of the Danube.
Vlad Ţepeş's reputation was considerably darker in Western Europe than in Eastern Europe and Romania. In the West, Vlad III Ţepeş has been characterized as a tyrant who took sadistic pleasure in torturing and killing his enemies.[22] Estimates of the number of his victims range from 40,000 to 100,000.[23] He also had whole villages and fortresses destroyed and burned to the ground.[24]
Following the multiple campaigns against the invading Ottoman Turks, Vlad would never show mercy to his prisoners of war. The road to Vlad's capital of Wallachia eventually became inundated in a "forest" of 20,000 impaled and decaying corpses, and it is reported that Mehmet II's invading army of Turks turned back to Constantinople in 1462 after encountering thousands of impaled corpses along the Danube River."
THIS is INTERESTING...:
'At 13, Vlad and his brother Radu were held as political hostages by the Ottoman Turks. During his years as hostage, Vlad was educated in logic, the Quran, and the Turkishlanguage and works of literature. He would speak this language fluently in his later years.[1] He and his brother were also trained in warfare and horsemanship."
*** I think we can assume this man did not take kindly to the Quran...
- As for Vlad's end and demise, apparently his death is every bit as mysterious as Adolph Hitler and EVEN Old Rasputin Himself...!
"There are five variants of Vlad's death. Some sources[who?] say he was killed while fighting the Turks surrounded by the bodies of his loyal Moldavian bodyguards. Others say he was killed by disloyal Wallachian boyars also in the war against the Turks, or during a hunt. Lastly, other reports claim that Vlad was accidentally killed by one of his own men. The exact date of Vlad's death is unknown, presumably the end of December 1476, but it is known that he was dead by 10 January 1477. The exact location of his death is also unknown, but it would have been somewhere along the road between Bucharest and Giurgiu.[17]"
AND For you lovers of horror and GORE - You know WHO you are...:
- Longitudinal impalement[edit]
Impaling an individual along the body length has been documented in several cases, and the merchant Jean de Thevenot provides an eyewitness account of this, from 17th century Egypt, in the case of a man condemned to death for the use of false weights:[2]
They lay the Malefactor upon his Belly, with his Hands tied behind his Back, then they slit up his Fundament with a Razor, and throw into it a handful of Paste that they have in readiness, which immediately stops the Blood. After that they thrust up into his Body a very long Stake as big as a Mans Arm, sharp at the point and tapered, which they grease a little before; when they have driven it in with a Mallet, till it come out at his Breast, or at his Head or Shoulders, they lift him up, and plant this Stake very streight in the Ground, upon which they leave him so exposed for a day. One day I saw a Man upon the Pale, who was Sentenced to continue so for three Hours alive and that he might not die too soon, the Stake was not thrust up far enough to come out at any part of his Body, and they also put a stay or rest upon the Pale, to hinder the weight of his body from making him sink down upon it, or the point of it from piercing him through, which would have presently killed him: In this manner he was left for some Hours, (during which time he spoke) and turning from one side to another, prayed those that passed by to kill him, making a thousand wry Mouths and Faces, because of the pain be suffered when he stirred himself, but after Dinner the Basha sent one to dispatch him; which was easily done, by making the point of the Stake come out at his Breast, and then he was left till next Morning, when he was taken down, because he stunk horridly.
Survival time of the impaled
The survival time on the stake is quite variedly reported, from instantly or to a few minutes[3] to a few hours[4] or 1 to 3 days.[5] The Dutch overlords at Batavia, present day Jakarta, seem to have been particularly proficient in prolonging the lifetime of the impaled, one witnessing a man surviving 6 days on the stake,[6] another hearing from local surgeons that some could survive 8 or more days.[7] A critical determinant for survival length seems to be precisely how the stake was inserted: If it went into the "interior" parts, vital organs could easily be damaged, leading to a swift death. However, by letting the stake follow the spine, the impalement procedure would not damage the vital organs, and the person could survive for several days.[8]
- So was he a Christian Religious Saint? Monster with Excuse? A "Macro-007"? Right Place/Right Time? Or just a splash in TIME sucked in to the WARP...?
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big boi
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Hell I want to thank u guys im having to study harder for answers making me learn n grow deeper in my faith. To be continued.......
Wellll...Holy damn...... You outdid yourself BBC.....CLEARLY - This man is an intellectual, introverted, And who has never actually been outside of his classroom or Laboratory to "Meet the people"... LOL OR NOT, I am really not sure reading here. COMPASSION may remain - YES. More like PASSION. morality.. NOPE - Gone...! At least our current standard of "morals". But perhaps in some other time OTHER THINGS are "Moral"...!?!
NO - Science and Religion DO NOT PLAY WELL TOGETHER>..! WATCH IT FIEIUUZZZ BOY..! Watch it FIZZZ..!!! LOL
- From The Excerpt - Coyne celebrates a world without faith, claiming that there would be no loss of compassion and morality, only of pseudoscientific thought that can “do real damage to our species and our planet.”
The funniest part of this statement is that if it were proven without a doubt that there was no God, THE FIRST FOLKS TO KICK HIS TEETH IN would be the "religious fanatics", whom he was attempting to explain this to...
*** Actually, for TODAY at least, I suspect that the folks who are most suspect to have an "evil streak" lurking in them to which their belief in God is keeping in check MIGHT JUST BE the very people who are MOST "RELIGIOUSLY INCLINED". For it would be THEM who are most likely keeping a monster in check and somewhere deep down AND KNOW IT...! And it certainly seems like those are the ones the most emotional in this equation.!!! To be, or not to be... And "Holy Land & Water" sure seems to be Ground Zero for War in Men...!
It makes you wonder - Don't it...!?
L............ O............... L....................... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the icing on the cake is that the "upper echelon of religiously inclined" all seem to BELIEVE that THEIR HANDS are stamped "God Approved" for Killing and Violence..! And we all of course KNOW, that it ONLY TOOK/TAKES ONE.. "Self Sacrifice" for GOD..? Suicide? Murder? While the story of JESUS depicts GREAT Self Sacrifice - I Don't think he was portrayed as out killing others for his Father in this EVENT...!
But perhaps in the next great war instead of Tying men to trees, pulling their guts out, and placing their penises in their mouths, OR screaming "Praise Allah!!!", OR tossing a playing card upon their bodies, OR Placing ENTIRE CITES UPON 8 foot high stakes to slide down from RECTUM-TO-HEART - We can do the moral thing this time and issue a "G.I. Jesus Stamp", and will and ink well full of condensed Holy Blood which we can simply stamp our enemies foreheads with. Thus ensuring our enemy not only knows that we are off the chain, but that we are a kind and loving people.! Thus, this "religious branding/marking" providing our enemy his path to Heaven for FORGIVENESS...!
Anyways - Did I Digress? So here's the story of Vlad for all that are not familiar. He's apparently a historic leader in Romania WHO PLACED COUNTLESS UP ON STAKES IN THEIR ARSES TO ALLOW THEM TO SLOWLY SLIDE DOWN UNTIL PIERCING THEIR HEARTS..!
*** (Perhaps it was Vlad that actually invented the Romanian Brand NAPOSIM TARAPIA Original DBoL/ and just stayed on cycle too long.. I wonder did he have an excessive Adderall script of his ADHD Too..?!)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
"Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476/77), was a member of the House of Drăculești, a branch of the House of Basarab, also known, using his patronymic, as (Vlad) Drăculea or (Vlad) Dracula.
He was posthumously dubbed Vlad the Impaler (Romanian: Vlad Țepeș, pronounced [ˈvlad ˈt͡sepeʃ]), and was a three-time Voivode of Wallachia, ruling mainly from 1456 to 1462, the period of the incipient Ottoman conquest of the Balkans. His father, Vlad II Dracul, was a member of the Order of the Dragon, which was founded to protect Christianity in Eastern Europe. Vlad III is revered as a folk hero in Romania as well as other parts of Europe for his protection of the Romanians both north and south of the Danube.
Vlad Ţepeş's reputation was considerably darker in Western Europe than in Eastern Europe and Romania. In the West, Vlad III Ţepeş has been characterized as a tyrant who took sadistic pleasure in torturing and killing his enemies.[22] Estimates of the number of his victims range from 40,000 to 100,000.[23] He also had whole villages and fortresses destroyed and burned to the ground.[24]
Following the multiple campaigns against the invading Ottoman Turks, Vlad would never show mercy to his prisoners of war. The road to Vlad's capital of Wallachia eventually became inundated in a "forest" of 20,000 impaled and decaying corpses, and it is reported that Mehmet II's invading army of Turks turned back to Constantinople in 1462 after encountering thousands of impaled corpses along the Danube River."
THIS is INTERESTING...:
'At 13, Vlad and his brother Radu were held as political hostages by the Ottoman Turks. During his years as hostage, Vlad was educated in logic, the Quran, and the Turkishlanguage and works of literature. He would speak this language fluently in his later years.[1] He and his brother were also trained in warfare and horsemanship."
*** I think we can assume this man did not take kindly to the Quran...
- As for Vlad's end and demise, apparently his death is every bit as mysterious as Adolph Hitler and EVEN Old Rasputin Himself...!
"There are five variants of Vlad's death. Some sources[who?] say he was killed while fighting the Turks surrounded by the bodies of his loyal Moldavian bodyguards. Others say he was killed by disloyal Wallachian boyars also in the war against the Turks, or during a hunt. Lastly, other reports claim that Vlad was accidentally killed by one of his own men. The exact date of Vlad's death is unknown, presumably the end of December 1476, but it is known that he was dead by 10 January 1477. The exact location of his death is also unknown, but it would have been somewhere along the road between Bucharest and Giurgiu.[17]"
AND For you lovers of horror and GORE - You know WHO you are...:
- Longitudinal impalement[edit]
Impaling an individual along the body length has been documented in several cases, and the merchant Jean de Thevenot provides an eyewitness account of this, from 17th century Egypt, in the case of a man condemned to death for the use of false weights:[2]
They lay the Malefactor upon his Belly, with his Hands tied behind his Back, then they slit up his Fundament with a Razor, and throw into it a handful of Paste that they have in readiness, which immediately stops the Blood. After that they thrust up into his Body a very long Stake as big as a Mans Arm, sharp at the point and tapered, which they grease a little before; when they have driven it in with a Mallet, till it come out at his Breast, or at his Head or Shoulders, they lift him up, and plant this Stake very streight in the Ground, upon which they leave him so exposed for a day. One day I saw a Man upon the Pale, who was Sentenced to continue so for three Hours alive and that he might not die too soon, the Stake was not thrust up far enough to come out at any part of his Body, and they also put a stay or rest upon the Pale, to hinder the weight of his body from making him sink down upon it, or the point of it from piercing him through, which would have presently killed him: In this manner he was left for some Hours, (during which time he spoke) and turning from one side to another, prayed those that passed by to kill him, making a thousand wry Mouths and Faces, because of the pain be suffered when he stirred himself, but after Dinner the Basha sent one to dispatch him; which was easily done, by making the point of the Stake come out at his Breast, and then he was left till next Morning, when he was taken down, because he stunk horridly.
Survival time of the impaled
The survival time on the stake is quite variedly reported, from instantly or to a few minutes[3] to a few hours[4] or 1 to 3 days.[5] The Dutch overlords at Batavia, present day Jakarta, seem to have been particularly proficient in prolonging the lifetime of the impaled, one witnessing a man surviving 6 days on the stake,[6] another hearing from local surgeons that some could survive 8 or more days.[7] A critical determinant for survival length seems to be precisely how the stake was inserted: If it went into the "interior" parts, vital organs could easily be damaged, leading to a swift death. However, by letting the stake follow the spine, the impalement procedure would not damage the vital organs, and the person could survive for several days.[8]
- So was he a Christian Religious Saint? Monster with Excuse? A "Macro-007"? Right Place/Right Time? Or just a splash in TIME sucked in to the WARP...?
Complex societies evolved without belief in all-powerful deity. Emergence of politically sophisticated societies may be assisted by faith in supernatural spirits, but does not need "big God" religion.
http://www.nature.com/news/complex-societies-evolved-without-belief-in-all-powerful-deity-1.17040
All human societies have been shaped by religion, leading psychologists to wonder how it arose, and whether particular forms of belief have affected other aspects of evolved social structure. According to one recent view, for example, belief in a "big God" — an all-powerful, punitive deity who sits in moral judgement on our actions — has been instrumental in bringing about social and political complexity in human cultures.
But a new analysis of religious systems in Austronesia — the network of small and island states stretching from Madagascar to Easter Island — challenges that theory. In these states, a more general belief in supernatural punishment did tend to precede political complexity, the research finds, but belief in supreme deities emerged after complex cultures have already formed. http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/282/1804/20142556
http://www.nature.com/news/complex-societies-evolved-without-belief-in-all-powerful-deity-1.17040
All human societies have been shaped by religion, leading psychologists to wonder how it arose, and whether particular forms of belief have affected other aspects of evolved social structure. According to one recent view, for example, belief in a "big God" — an all-powerful, punitive deity who sits in moral judgement on our actions — has been instrumental in bringing about social and political complexity in human cultures.
But a new analysis of religious systems in Austronesia — the network of small and island states stretching from Madagascar to Easter Island — challenges that theory. In these states, a more general belief in supernatural punishment did tend to precede political complexity, the research finds, but belief in supreme deities emerged after complex cultures have already formed. http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/282/1804/20142556
Perhaps this has been posted in this thread...
You know. AGAIN. I saw where the POPE STARTED ACKNOWLEDGING E.T. Back around 2008 apparently then issuing first public statements same. You can also take a look at The Vatican and note they have a massive celestial telescope which they stay busy with. I wonder which way it points today..?!?
When you consider possibilities and IF... An ET could possibly hold all the powers to perform all the feats as described in the scriptures, you have to wonder then - DOES THIS NOT MAKE HIM GOD.?
You would then have to wonder WOULD ET NOT DEMAND you be in church worshiping? Would he not be upset with "dis-believers". Would he reward the faithful? Would it even be more likely that MIRACLES COULD AND DO OCCUR if ET were a real construct and indeed the fathers of man on earth. Then of course you would have to figure - HOW BuSY is HE..? While GOD may not directly intervene/interfere with universal life. What would be to stop ET from miraculously curing a sickened with superior technology? When we prey to God for a MIRACLE, should we REALLY be praying that he send back his other children ETs to effect a fix?
But DOES the Vatican Hold the Direct line to "DADDY"...?!? Or ET & GOD...? This is old newz of course. That COVER UP would be that the POPE Still indicating that our "God" (or the physical past actions currently documented and construed as physically enacted by GOD) is NOT ET - Of course.. Still, I imagine even if ET farmed us here, Organized Religion here on Earth would most certainly indicate that IF ET were our biological father, that he was merely working by the hand of the One Almighty Father - who then would also govern ET. This could not be dis-proven or proven technically. Just now matters complicated further.
** Its a round-n-round argument/speculation that may never be solved or known to anyone. What if our energy/soul/spirit were controlled by a superior short of God. What if EVEN TO DIE we are controlled and never ascend? What if in death we still get no answer.!
"The official Vatican newspaper headlines his article 'Aliens Are My Brother'."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7399661.stm
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802629.htm
--------------------------------
VATICAN-ALIENS May-14-2008 (540 words) xxxi
Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption
By John Thavis
Catholic News Service
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- If aliens exist, they may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption, the Vatican's chief astronomer said.
Jesuit Father Jose Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, said Christians should consider alien life as an "extraterrestrial brother" and a part of God's creation.
Father Funes, an Argentine named to his position by Pope Benedict XVI in 2006, made the remarks in an interview published May 13 by the Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano.
Father Funes said it was difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the universe, and he noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking "biomarkers" in spectrum analysis of other stars and planets.
These potential forms of life could include those that have no need of oxygen or hydrogen, he said. Just as God created multiple forms of life on earth, he said, there may be diverse forms throughout the universe.
"This is not in contrast with the faith, because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God," he said.
"To use St. Francis' words, if we consider earthly creatures as 'brothers' and 'sisters,' why can't we also speak of an 'extraterrestrial brother?'" he said.
Asked about implications that the discovery of alien life might pose for Christian redemption, Father Funes cited the Gospel parable of the shepherd who left his flock of 99 sheep in order to search for the one that was lost.
"We who belong to the human race could really be that lost sheep, the sinners who need a pastor," he said.
"God became man in Jesus in order to save us. So if there are also other intelligent beings, it's not a given that they need redemption. They might have remained in full friendship with their creator," he said.
Father Funes went on to say that Christ's incarnation and sacrifice was a unique and unrepeatable event. But he said he was sure that, if needed, God's mercy would be offered to aliens, as it was to humans.
On another topic, the priest said he saw no real contradiction between evolutionary science and the Christian faith, as long as evolution does not become an absolute ideology.
"As an astronomer, I can say that from the observation of stars and galaxies there emerges a clear evolutionary process," he said.
He said that in his opinion the big-bang theory remains the best explanation of the origin of the universe from a scientific point of view. Above all, it's a reasonable explanation, he said.
As for the biblical account of creation, Father Funes said it was wrong to expect a scientific explanation from the Bible.
"The Bible is not fundamentally a work of science," he said. "It is a letter of love that God has written to his people, in a language that was used 2,000-3,000 years ago. Obviously, at that time a concept like the big bang was totally extraneous."
He said he was convinced that astronomy was a science that can open people's minds and hearts and bring them closer to God. The idea that astronomy leads to an atheistic view of the universe is a myth, he said.
END
Copyright (c) 2008 Catholic News Service/USCCB. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed.
CNS · 3211 Fourth St NE · Washington DC 20017 · 202.541.3250
You know. AGAIN. I saw where the POPE STARTED ACKNOWLEDGING E.T. Back around 2008 apparently then issuing first public statements same. You can also take a look at The Vatican and note they have a massive celestial telescope which they stay busy with. I wonder which way it points today..?!?
When you consider possibilities and IF... An ET could possibly hold all the powers to perform all the feats as described in the scriptures, you have to wonder then - DOES THIS NOT MAKE HIM GOD.?
You would then have to wonder WOULD ET NOT DEMAND you be in church worshiping? Would he not be upset with "dis-believers". Would he reward the faithful? Would it even be more likely that MIRACLES COULD AND DO OCCUR if ET were a real construct and indeed the fathers of man on earth. Then of course you would have to figure - HOW BuSY is HE..? While GOD may not directly intervene/interfere with universal life. What would be to stop ET from miraculously curing a sickened with superior technology? When we prey to God for a MIRACLE, should we REALLY be praying that he send back his other children ETs to effect a fix?
But DOES the Vatican Hold the Direct line to "DADDY"...?!? Or ET & GOD...? This is old newz of course. That COVER UP would be that the POPE Still indicating that our "God" (or the physical past actions currently documented and construed as physically enacted by GOD) is NOT ET - Of course.. Still, I imagine even if ET farmed us here, Organized Religion here on Earth would most certainly indicate that IF ET were our biological father, that he was merely working by the hand of the One Almighty Father - who then would also govern ET. This could not be dis-proven or proven technically. Just now matters complicated further.
** Its a round-n-round argument/speculation that may never be solved or known to anyone. What if our energy/soul/spirit were controlled by a superior short of God. What if EVEN TO DIE we are controlled and never ascend? What if in death we still get no answer.!
"The official Vatican newspaper headlines his article 'Aliens Are My Brother'."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7399661.stm
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802629.htm
--------------------------------
VATICAN-ALIENS May-14-2008 (540 words) xxxi
Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption
By John Thavis
Catholic News Service
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- If aliens exist, they may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption, the Vatican's chief astronomer said.
Jesuit Father Jose Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, said Christians should consider alien life as an "extraterrestrial brother" and a part of God's creation.
Father Funes, an Argentine named to his position by Pope Benedict XVI in 2006, made the remarks in an interview published May 13 by the Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano.
Father Funes said it was difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the universe, and he noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking "biomarkers" in spectrum analysis of other stars and planets.
These potential forms of life could include those that have no need of oxygen or hydrogen, he said. Just as God created multiple forms of life on earth, he said, there may be diverse forms throughout the universe.
"This is not in contrast with the faith, because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God," he said.
"To use St. Francis' words, if we consider earthly creatures as 'brothers' and 'sisters,' why can't we also speak of an 'extraterrestrial brother?'" he said.
Asked about implications that the discovery of alien life might pose for Christian redemption, Father Funes cited the Gospel parable of the shepherd who left his flock of 99 sheep in order to search for the one that was lost.
"We who belong to the human race could really be that lost sheep, the sinners who need a pastor," he said.
"God became man in Jesus in order to save us. So if there are also other intelligent beings, it's not a given that they need redemption. They might have remained in full friendship with their creator," he said.
Father Funes went on to say that Christ's incarnation and sacrifice was a unique and unrepeatable event. But he said he was sure that, if needed, God's mercy would be offered to aliens, as it was to humans.
On another topic, the priest said he saw no real contradiction between evolutionary science and the Christian faith, as long as evolution does not become an absolute ideology.
"As an astronomer, I can say that from the observation of stars and galaxies there emerges a clear evolutionary process," he said.
He said that in his opinion the big-bang theory remains the best explanation of the origin of the universe from a scientific point of view. Above all, it's a reasonable explanation, he said.
As for the biblical account of creation, Father Funes said it was wrong to expect a scientific explanation from the Bible.
"The Bible is not fundamentally a work of science," he said. "It is a letter of love that God has written to his people, in a language that was used 2,000-3,000 years ago. Obviously, at that time a concept like the big bang was totally extraneous."
He said he was convinced that astronomy was a science that can open people's minds and hearts and bring them closer to God. The idea that astronomy leads to an atheistic view of the universe is a myth, he said.
END
Copyright (c) 2008 Catholic News Service/USCCB. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed.
CNS · 3211 Fourth St NE · Washington DC 20017 · 202.541.3250
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Ha! Benny Hinn's holy ghost is no match for the power of the dark side.
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If we weren't created by God,then
What is the reAl answer, I keep hearing different viewpoints but no matter of fact.
What is the reAl answer, I keep hearing different viewpoints but no matter of fact.
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World's Top Scientists Ponder: What If The Whole Universe Is, Like, One Huge Atom?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/worlds-top-scientists-ponder-what-if-the-whole-uni,712/
The universe-as-possible-giant-atom theory originated in May with a team of Cal Tech particle physicists, who developed the theory late one night while sitting around on a couch in the Physics Department's cyclotron and foosball facility, "just shooting the shit." The theory, which was reportedly conceived after the group became highly engrossed in ceiling-tile patterns for several minutes while waiting for a pizza to arrive, is said to be so advanced that only a few scientists in the world even have their heads together enough to really, you know, deal. Yet even among this elite group, many are said to be "seriously thrown for a loop" by its implications.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/worlds-top-scientists-ponder-what-if-the-whole-uni,712/
The universe-as-possible-giant-atom theory originated in May with a team of Cal Tech particle physicists, who developed the theory late one night while sitting around on a couch in the Physics Department's cyclotron and foosball facility, "just shooting the shit." The theory, which was reportedly conceived after the group became highly engrossed in ceiling-tile patterns for several minutes while waiting for a pizza to arrive, is said to be so advanced that only a few scientists in the world even have their heads together enough to really, you know, deal. Yet even among this elite group, many are said to be "seriously thrown for a loop" by its implications.
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