Why there almost certainly is No God!!

[hurricane]

Did Jesus really exist?
Did Jesus really exist? - Macleans.ca

“Do this in memory of me,” said Jesus at the Last Supper, according to the Gospel of Luke.

But memories of Jesus the man have proved stubbornly elusive for historians who are convinced the truth of the son of God lies beneath the surface of Gospel accounts written decades after his death.

Now, for the first time, one of America’s most prominent New Testament scholars has gone outside of his narrow field, driven as much by frustration as curiosity, to examine what the science of memory might offer to separate the historical wheat from the theological chaff in the Gospels.

In so doing, University of North Carolina religious studies professor Bart Ehrman may have opened a new front in the currently quiescent Jesus wars, a quarter-century of devout and secular scholars battling over what, exactly, is the gospel truth.

Ehrman’S eye-opening Jesus Before the Gospels: How the Earliest Christians Remembered, Changed, and Invented Their Stories of the Savior may prove most useful for those who hold to a position Ehrman finds more wrong-headed than insistence on the Bible’s literal truth.

The reason Biblical historians cannot find even the outline of a historical Jesus, argues an increasingly persuasive chorus of challengers, is that there is nothing to find: Jesus Christ never lived at all.

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Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesn’t add up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/ (Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesn’t add up.)

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The first problem we encounter when trying to discover more about the Historical Jesus is the lack of early sources. The earliest sources only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity – which gives us reason to question them. The authors of the Gospels fail to name themselves, describe their qualifications, or show any criticism with their foundational sources – which they also fail to identify. Filled with mythical and non-historical information, and heavily edited over time, the Gospels certainly should not convince critics to trust even the more mundane claims made therein.

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Jesus didn't exist now according to you and a few scholars. I guess the Romans and Jews must have all been lying when speaking of the Savior. To discredit that Jesus Christ existed is basically telling me you hold no regard for factual events that were recorded about His teachings and life. You again don't give your opinion or anything from your brain. You piggyback off of others thoughts and beliefs. I could very easily post video after video of other scholars who think the opposite. But I don't because its a waste of my time and I have a brain of my own to make my argument. Discrediting His existence makes me highly suspect of that persons lack of intelligence. He existed. Period. Is the Bible an absolute truth? Debateable. But in my views it is. Again Dr your great at throwing around others views but have given me nothing from you. You remind me of people I knew in college and the military. You read another's opinion and just accept it as truth. You don't question it. Your brain is on auto pilot. You can't come up with your own argument or facts so you just post others. I'd at least respect you if you told us how you feel. Its obvious to me, but I don't know if your trying to shake ones faith or if you aren't nearly as intelligent as you think.

 

[hurricane]

Again. You take your views from Bill Maher. That's hilarious. And pathetic. A second rate talk show host is someone you listen to. I've said it throughout my posts. Anyone is free to believe whatever they want. I didn't rip anyone for not believing. The problem is the assholes on this site continue to mock God, including you. Your a very disrespectful man. Among with others on this post. Mock God and I will fight to the death for Him. And come up with your own thoughts. The video posts are getting old. Actually I'm done with you. Your not able to hold a conversation about this topic. I thought doctors were supposed to be intelligent. I guess not in your case. Rip my God and beliefs, I rip you.

 

[BBC3]

5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. 6And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7So the Lord said, ‘I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.’ 8But Noah found favour in the sight of the Lord.

 

[BBC3]

 

[ergomaniac]

Did Jesus really exist?
Did Jesus really exist? - Macleans.ca

“Do this in memory of me,” said Jesus at the Last Supper, according to the Gospel of Luke.

But memories of Jesus the man have proved stubbornly elusive for historians who are convinced the truth of the son of God lies beneath the surface of Gospel accounts written decades after his death.

Now, for the first time, one of America’s most prominent New Testament scholars has gone outside of his narrow field, driven as much by frustration as curiosity, to examine what the science of memory might offer to separate the historical wheat from the theological chaff in the Gospels.

In so doing, University of North Carolina religious studies professor Bart Ehrman may have opened a new front in the currently quiescent Jesus wars, a quarter-century of devout and secular scholars battling over what, exactly, is the gospel truth.

Ehrman’S eye-opening Jesus Before the Gospels: How the Earliest Christians Remembered, Changed, and Invented Their Stories of the Savior may prove most useful for those who hold to a position Ehrman finds more wrong-headed than insistence on the Bible’s literal truth.

The reason Biblical historians cannot find even the outline of a historical Jesus, argues an increasingly persuasive chorus of challengers, is that there is nothing to find: Jesus Christ never lived at all.

…


Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesn’t add up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/ (Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesn’t add up.)

…

The first problem we encounter when trying to discover more about the Historical Jesus is the lack of early sources. The earliest sources only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity – which gives us reason to question them. The authors of the Gospels fail to name themselves, describe their qualifications, or show any criticism with their foundational sources – which they also fail to identify. Filled with mythical and non-historical information, and heavily edited over time, the Gospels certainly should not convince critics to trust even the more mundane claims made therein.

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"piggybacking" off your article I found another I though was interesting.

http://alternet.org/belief/5-reasons-suspect-jesus-never-existed
5 reasons to suspect jesus never existed

1. no first century secular evidence whatsoever exists to support the actuality of yeshua be yosef.
2. the earliest new testament writers seem ignorant of the details of jesus' life, which become more crystalized in later texts.
3. even the new testament stories don't claim to be first hand accounts.
4. the gospels, our only account of a historical jesus, contradict each other.
5. modern scholars who claim to have uncovered the real historical jesus depict wildly different persons.

 

[ergomaniac]

5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. 6And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7So the Lord said, ‘I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.’ 8But Noah found favour in the sight of the Lord.

so, an imperfect "god".
and quite an accomplishment for a man who was 500+ years old.
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5:32-10:1

 

[hurricane]

so, an imperfect "god".
and quite an accomplishment for a man who was 500+ years old.
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5:32-10:1

Someone already posted that. And most of us agreed to let this argument go. Its to controversial and members on both sides of the fence were getting to fired up. I believe in God and respect your opinion. Take care.

 

[ergomaniac]

Someone already posted that. And most of us agreed to let this argument go. Its to controversial and members on both sides of the fence were getting to fired up. I believe in God and respect your opinion. Take care.

fair enough.
although im not sure who the "most of us" are.
I should and will backtrack this thread and learn more. including reading the book from which this thread was started, its sitting on my bookself. it was my fathers and he struggled deeply about faith vs reason. he grew up very catholic.
ive read the new testament and most of the bible.

take care of yourself and think positive. sincerely.
I may even say a "prayer" for you. get well.

but this thread will continue...

 

[hurricane]

fair enough.
although im not sure who the "most of us" are.
I should and will backtrack this thread and learn more. including reading the book from which this thread was started, its sitting on my bookself. it was my fathers and he struggled deeply about faith vs reason. he grew up very catholic.
ive read the new testament and most of the bible.

take care of yourself and think positive. sincerely.
I may even say a "prayer" for you. get well.

but this thread will continue...

I agree its a great read and the struggle to find scientific truths about the subject can be maddening. And I think that is the 2 main hang ups on the subject. Those who look at it clearly as a scientific hypothesis that must be proven or dispelled. And those who rely on their faith. An age old question that I'm not fighting with anyone over anymore. Life's to short. And I appreciate the kind words. Pray away brother. I could use the Big Man upstairs looking out for me tomorrow.

 

[RandallNowan]

Good luck, Hurricane. Stay positive, Bro.

 

[hurricane]

Good luck, Hurricane. Stay positive, Bro.

Thank you very much.

 

[RandallNowan]

I'll be thinking about you - that's as near to praying as I get.

 

[hurricane]

I'll be thinking about you - that's as near to praying as I get.

That will do just fine. Its greatly appreciated.

 

[KingAlfred]

You are looking at people and basing the existence of God on what they do and think. People are not perfect, we gave that up in the garden of eden, traded it for freewill and by that the freedom to sin. this is all the consequence of that. That doesn't mean there is no God. We like to think we are so smart rationalizing how there is no God but we are not as smart as we think. Science works but God made things the way they are and can make things seem however He wants.

 

[caveman72]

Hurricane well spoken.
Today on the u tube people are coming out about Sumerians in association with annunaki ancient aliens .I see preachers coming out saying there is no rapture going to happen and there is no Jesus coming.
The devil the Illuminati or whoever will put on tv.
Or you tube confusion lies deceit .it's so evident that we are designed by a higher being I call him god he may call himself something else.everything is designed not some accident.
Just had to say this

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[Michael Scally MD]

 

[ergomaniac]

Of course, this all presupposes that the God we are talking about is a personal intelligence such as Yahweh, Allah, Baal, Wotan, Zeus or Lord Krishna. If, by 'God', you mean love, nature, goodness, the universe, the laws of physics, the spirit of humanity, or Planck's constant, none of the above applies. An American student asked her professor whether he had a view about me. 'Sure,' he replied. 'He's positive science is incompatible with religion, but he waxes ecstatic about nature and the universe. To me, that is ?religion!' Well, if that's what you choose to mean by religion, fine, that makes me a religious man. But if your God is a being who designs universes, listens to prayers, forgives sins, wreaks miracles, reads your thoughts, cares about your welfare and raises you from the dead, you are unlikely to be satisfied. As the distinguished American physicist Steven Weinberg said, "If you want to say that 'God is energy,' then you can find God in a lump of coal." But don't expect congregations to flock to your church.


http://r.neilrogers.com/cgi-bin/loc...awkins/why-there-almost-certainl_b_32164.html

this is from the original post to this thread and I thought it was worth reposting, because I can relate to this and is kind of how I feel.
the universe is an awe inspiring thing and don't think science will ever have a complete understanding, explanation, or equation to explain it. it would take outside observer and that's not possible. the universe, just IS.

but the heart of this thread I think is simple. science cant exist if we have to constantly factor in the will of an undetectable omnipotent "god". either science exists or it doesn't. either "god" exists or he doesn't. this is either his will or it isn't.

"the map is not the territory." that's something that's always hit home with me. as much we try to explain, calculate, compartmentalize, categorize, etc, it still isn't what really IS. if that makes any sense.

 

[insaiyan93]

Perfect example of jesus not being real. Why would an all powerful feity who cares for us so deeply let this shit happen?

 

[BBC3]

infallible is simply the ability to do what others perceive as errors OR don't like...

Proof God is real? We STILL know NOTHING....

 

[RandallNowan]

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