Why there almost certainly is No God!!

Perfect example of jesus not being real. Why would an all powerful feity who cares for us so deeply let this shit happen? :D:D:D
Because this almighty diety gave you free will. If God was to take full control and stop these things from happening completly then you would not have free will anymore. Its not God who does evil. God gives us free will and we can choose to do good or bad with it. Dont blame God.
 
Wether you believe in the Word of God is one thing, but to flat out say that Jesus did not exist is a lie, and at best foolish. Even the majority of your atheist scientist dont negate the fact tha Jesus indeed existed. Not only did Jesus exist but so did King Solomon, David, Jacob, Issac, Abraham ect, and has been proven by your beloved scientist.


Jesus was in Israel in the time of the roman conquests. The romans kept very detailed writings. The romans recorded most of their history. There are multiple acounts from various Romans who spoke of Jesus. Pontius Pilate was one of them.

Pontius was a prefect , and he ruled on behalf of emperor tiberius in Judaea. Surely your not foolish enough to negate this fact. Once again even your beloved scientist would agree that Pontius and Tiberius where not mythical charachters but real people. If we can agree on that, may I interest your great intelect with a letter written by Pontius about Jesus.


The Letter of Pontius Pilate, Which He Wrote to the Roman Emperor, Concerning our Lord Jesus Christ
From The New Advent: Fathers of the Churchwww.newadvent.org/fathers/

Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar the emperor, greeting. (1)

Upon Jesus Christ, whose case I had dearly set forth to thee in my last, at length by the will of the people a bitter punishment has been inflicted, myself being in a sort unwilling and rather afraid. A man, by Hercules, so pious and strict, no age has ever had nor will have. But wonderful were the efforts of the people themselves, and the unanimity of all the scribes and chief men and elders, to crucify this ambassador of truth, notwithstanding that their own prophets, and after our manner the sibyls, warned them against it: and supernatural signs appeared while he was hanging, and, in the opinion of philosophers, threatened destruction to the whole world. His disciples are

flourishing, in their work and the regulation of their lives not belying their

master; yea, in his name most beneficent. Had I not been afraid of the rising

of a sedition among the people, who were just on the point of breaking out,

perhaps this man would still have been alive to us; although, urged more by

fidelity to thy dignity than induced by my own wishes, I did not according to

my strength resist that innocent blood free from the whole charge brought

against it, but unjustly, through the malignity of men, should be sold and

suffer, yet, as the Scriptures signify, to their own destruction. Farewell,

28th March.
 
Wether you believe in the Word of God is one thing, but to flat out say that Jesus did not exist is a lie, and at best foolish. Even the majority of your atheist scientist dont negate the fact tha Jesus indeed existed. Not only did Jesus exist but so did King Solomon, David, Jacob, Issac, Abraham ect, and has been proven by your beloved scientist.


Jesus was in Israel in the time of the roman conquests. The romans kept very detailed writings. The romans recorded most of their history. There are multiple acounts from various Romans who spoke of Jesus. Pontius Pilate was one of them.

Pontius was a prefect , and he ruled on behalf of emperor tiberius in Judaea. Surely your not foolish enough to negate this fact. Once again even your beloved scientist would agree that Pontius and Tiberius where not mythical charachters but real people. If we can agree on that, may I interest your great intelect with a letter written by Pontius about Jesus.


The Letter of Pontius Pilate, Which He Wrote to the Roman Emperor, Concerning our Lord Jesus Christ
From The New Advent: Fathers of the Churchwww.newadvent.org/fathers/

Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar the emperor, greeting. (1)

Upon Jesus Christ, whose case I had dearly set forth to thee in my last, at length by the will of the people a bitter punishment has been inflicted, myself being in a sort unwilling and rather afraid. A man, by Hercules, so pious and strict, no age has ever had nor will have. But wonderful were the efforts of the people themselves, and the unanimity of all the scribes and chief men and elders, to crucify this ambassador of truth, notwithstanding that their own prophets, and after our manner the sibyls, warned them against it: and supernatural signs appeared while he was hanging, and, in the opinion of philosophers, threatened destruction to the whole world. His disciples are

flourishing, in their work and the regulation of their lives not belying their

master; yea, in his name most beneficent. Had I not been afraid of the rising

of a sedition among the people, who were just on the point of breaking out,

perhaps this man would still have been alive to us; although, urged more by

fidelity to thy dignity than induced by my own wishes, I did not according to

my strength resist that innocent blood free from the whole charge brought

against it, but unjustly, through the malignity of men, should be sold and

suffer, yet, as the Scriptures signify, to their own destruction. Farewell,

28th March.

I chose my words poorly. Jesus existed, but he wasnt the son of some mystical sky deity created by immaculate conception.
 
I chose my words poorly. Jesus existed, but he wasnt the son of some mystical sky deity created by immaculate conception.
That my friend is different. I cant judge you for not beleiving since I dont know your specific situation. I have had several very real experiences that are "supernatural", if you will, and have 100 percent assurance that God is real. Now Im not your typical Christian. I understand that some Christians give Jesus a bad name. A SMALL portion of Christians dont beleive in global warming, dont beleive in evolution, bash gays ext, mainly due to lack of understanding. I disagree with a lot of people who call themselves Christians as they give Jesus a bad name. About 80 percent of Christians havent read the whole bible and I would guess an even greater percentage of atheist havent read the whole bible either. So I say to both the atheist and the beleivers, how can you speak of something you dont understand.? Regardless if your atheist or beleivers I challenge you guys to read the whole bible , then you can have an educated opinion either for or against. Unfortunatly most people just parrot " these insightful, enlightning", blogs where someone did the thinking for you and layed out everything you want to hear, not necceserily the truth. Instead go straight to the source the Bible and read.
 
That my friend is different. I cant judge you for not beleiving since I dont know your specific situation. I have had several very real experiences that are "supernatural", if you will, and have 100 percent assurance that God is real. Now Im not your typical Christian. I understand that some Christians give Jesus a bad name. A SMALL portion of Christians dont beleive in global warming, dont beleive in evolution, bash gays ext, mainly due to lack of understanding. I disagree with a lot of people who call themselves Christians as they give Jesus a bad name. About 80 percent of Christians havent read the whole bible and I would guess an even greater percentage of atheist havent read the whole bible either. So I say to both the atheist and the beleivers, how can you speak of something you dont understand.? Regardless if your atheist or beleivers I challenge you guys to read the whole bible , then you can have an educated opinion either for or against. Unfortunatly most people just parrot " these insightful, enlightning", blogs where someone did the thinking for you and layed out everything you want to hear, not necceserily the truth. Instead go straight to the source the Bible and read.

Fair enough.i cant really judge you for believing either, doesnt hurt me you know. And as long as you arent one of those ignorant Christian types i really cant fault you for it either.

I've had a few of what youd call supernatural experiences, but none that really gave me any belief in god.

You are correct that i havent read the whole bible, i did try once, i got through maybe a couple hundred pages, the stories were interesting i will give it that, but it was extremely tedious to read due to the writing style and vocabulary used.
 
Fair enough.i cant really judge you for believing either, doesnt hurt me you know. And as long as you arent one of those ignorant Christian types i really cant fault you for it either.

I've had a few of what youd call supernatural experiences, but none that really gave me any belief in god.

You are correct that i havent read the whole bible, i did try once, i got through maybe a couple hundred pages, the stories were interesting i will give it that, but it was extremely tedious to read due to the writing style and vocabulary used.
Yhea theres a couple of translations in contemporary language if your interested.

If you care to hear,

John, Mathew, Luke, and the rest of the deciples had supernatural experiences and they still denied Jesus. Supernatural experiences do not take you to heaven. Humor me for a second and imagine His deciples seeing Jesus walk on water, feed multitudes, cast out demons, and they still denied Jesus!.

Also a lot of people who say they had supernatural experiences actually just had more of an emotional experience.

Either way I hope the best for you.
 
Yhea theres a couple of translations in contemporary language if your interested.

If you care to hear,

John, Mathew, Luke, and the rest of the deciples had supernatural experiences and they still denied Jesus. Supernatural experiences do not take you to heaven. Humor me for a second and imagine His deciples seeing Jesus walk on water, feed multitudes, cast out demons, and they still denied Jesus!.

Also a lot of people who say they had supernatural experiences actually just had more of an emotional experience.

Either way I hope the best for you.

Yeah if i ever find a cheap copy i may pick one up, cuz the story was intriguing regardless of whether i believe it or not.


Idk man the couple times ive had weird experiences were pretty sketchy. Dead sober and in a stable frame of mind ive seen some pretty spooky shit.

Same to you though man, all the best
 
I like this discussion and I want to contribute my grain of salt. In general, I think that in order to understand existence or life in its totality (this includes the idea or perception that we have of what God might be for us or for others) we need the analysis of objective data (here we usually say that something is Real, objective or scientific) and of subjective data (here we say that something is unreal or not scientific or religious). Well my belief and that of many scientists in the world is that subjective data should be analyzed and respected as objective data. With what method? In this essay there is a very interesting proposal. In any case, it seems curious, but all the time bodybuilders attach great value to subjectivity. But we usually say it's broscience and we leave it. Or religion is therefore useless. The truth is that broscience, following these reasonings, is religion even if you do not believe it. But this is a good thing. Faith is necessary whatever your approach to subjective data. I think you would like this essay.
 
Dont know what about link but the name is " First-person Methodologies: What,Why,How" by Francisco J.Varela and Jonathan Shear.
 
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I like this discussion and I want to contribute my grain of salt. In general, I think that in order to understand existence or life in its totality (this includes the idea or perception that we have of what God might be for us or for others) we need the analysis of objective data (here we usually say that something is Real, objective or scientific) and of subjective data (here we say that something is unreal or not scientific or religious). Well my belief and that of many scientists in the world is that subjective data should be analyzed and respected as objective data. With what method? In this essay there is a very interesting proposal. In any case, it seems curious, but all the time bodybuilders attach great value to subjectivity. But we usually say it's broscience and we leave it. Or religion is therefore useless. The truth is that broscience, following these reasonings, is religion even if you do not believe it. But this is a good thing. Faith is necessary whatever your approach to subjective data. I think you would like this essay.

Now Im not sure if I fully understood you but ill try to answer you.

I want to start by saying that I am ashamed of now more than 99.999999999 ect percent of all so called "Christians".

With that being said follow me for a second if you will, and think about these questions please.


How can you quantify the infinate??? How can you measure that which is of the Spirit??? If you had a "hypothetical" river that flowed forever in one direction and conversly forever in the other direction can you measure the whole river?? How big is your ruler?? Are we so wise that we can quantify God?? For in him we live and hes in us. God spoke from nothing and turned it into something. How do you measure that nothing. Do you know what that nothing is?

In my ignorance I have understood that the "nothing" to be consciousness. I know you might not believe in God being real, but im 100 percent sure you believe in
consciousness right?. Is consciousness real? Yes it is in fact very real, which most quantum physisist, and scientist believe. Now if we can agree that consciousness is real now I will ask you to measure it, can you??? We just agreed that consciousness is real so why dont you give me scientific evidence of consciousness. I dont mean by measuring brain waves because all that says is that your alive and thinking but does that explain consciousness? Is consciousness too abstract for the human brain to comprehend??? Why does consciousness have a pattern?? Why was the universe in chaos at one point and ruled and oderly at another?? Why is the universe on a constant state of expansion and contraction of energy to the furthest parts of the universe, (G.O.T) ie (big bang), as if where a heart pumping oxygen to your extremeties??


Scientist have tried to study consciousness and have a few theories, but thats all thay are theories.

The first is
Integrated information

Neuroscientist Giulio Tononi of the University of Wisconsin-Madison developed one of the most promising theories for consciousness, known as integrated information theory.

Understanding how the material brain produces subjective experiences, such as the color green or the sound of ocean waves, is what Australian philosopher David Chalmers calls the "hard problem" of consciousness. Traditionally, scientists have tried to solve this problem with a bottom-up approach. As Koch put it, "You take a piece of the brain and try to press the juice of consciousness out of [it]." But this is almost impossible, he said.

In contrast, integrated information theory starts with consciousness itself, and tries to work backward to understand the physical processes that give rise to the phenomenon, said Koch, who has worked with Tononi on the theory.

The basic idea is that conscious experience represents the integration of a wide variety of information, and that this experience is irreducible. This means that when you open your eyes (assuming you have normal vision), you can't simply choose to see everything in black and white, or to see only the left side of your field of view.p

The second

Global workspace

Another promising theory suggests that consciousness works a bit like computer memory, which can call up and retain an experience even after it has passed.

Neither of which can explain creativity
Or something going from nothing or a thought and turning into matter. Theres also theories about infinate or multiple universes with every single outcome and permutation for your life could exist. I dont suscribe to these Ideals.

I will leave you with another analogy of a kid who was trying to pour the ocean into a small hole. So as the heavens are above us so is Gods wisdom. I would agree that we have a decent understanding of a small section of our universe. This does not mean that in the few years we have on this rock, that we are going to completely understand the scale, scope and size of the infinite and the eternal.
 
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Now Im not sure if I fully understood you but ill try to answer you.

I want to start by saying that I am ashamed of now more than 99.999999999 ect percent of all so called "Christians".

With that being said follow me for a second if you will, and think about these questions please.


How can you quantify the infinate??? How can you measure that which is of the Spirit??? If you had a "hypothetical" river that flowed forever in one direction and conversly forever in the other direction can you measure the whole river?? How big is your ruler?? Are we so wise that we can quantify God?? For in him we live and hes in us. God spoke from nothing and turned it into something. How do you measure that nothing. Do you know what that nothing is?

In my ignorance I have understood that the "nothing" to be consciousness. I know you might not believe in God being real, but im 100 percent sure you believe in
consciousness right?. Is consciousness real? Yes it is in fact very real, which most quantum physisist, and scientist believe. Now if we can agree that consciousness is real now I will ask you to measure it, can you??? We just agreed that consciousness is real so why dont you give me scientific evidence of consciousness. I dont mean by measuring brain waves because all that says is that your alive and thinking but does that explain consciousness? Is consciousness too abstract for the human brain to comprehend??? Why does consciousness have a pattern?? Why was the universe in chaos at one point and ruled and oderly at another?? Why is the universe on a constant state of expansion and contraction of energy to the furthest parts of the universe, (G.O.T) ie (big bang), as if where a heart pumping oxygen to your extremeties??


Scientist have tried to study consciousness and have a few theories, but thats all thay are theories.

The first is
Integrated information

Neuroscientist Giulio Tononi of the University of Wisconsin-Madison developed one of the most promising theories for consciousness, known as integrated information theory.

Understanding how the material brain produces subjective experiences, such as the color green or the sound of ocean waves, is what Australian philosopher David Chalmers calls the "hard problem" of consciousness. Traditionally, scientists have tried to solve this problem with a bottom-up approach. As Koch put it, "You take a piece of the brain and try to press the juice of consciousness out of [it]." But this is almost impossible, he said.

In contrast, integrated information theory starts with consciousness itself, and tries to work backward to understand the physical processes that give rise to the phenomenon, said Koch, who has worked with Tononi on the theory.

The basic idea is that conscious experience represents the integration of a wide variety of information, and that this experience is irreducible. This means that when you open your eyes (assuming you have normal vision), you can't simply choose to see everything in black and white, or to see only the left side of your field of view.p

The second

Global workspace

Another promising theory suggests that consciousness works a bit like computer memory, which can call up and retain an experience even after it has passed.

Neither of which can explain creativity
Or something going from nothing or a thought and turning into matter. Theres also theories about infinate or multiple universes with every single outcome and permutation for your life could exist. I dont suscribe to these Ideals.

I will leave you with another analogy of a kid who was trying to pour the ocean into a small hole. So as the heavens are above us so is Gods wisdom. I would agree that we have a decent understanding of a small section of our universe. This does not mean that in the few years we have on this rock, that we are going to completely understand the scale, scope and size of the infinite and the eternal.
Your answer is interesting. However for me the relevance of believing or not believing in God, is a matter related to moral rules of sexual character. This is a more explicit question in Eastern religions (for example Taoism has its rules, Hinduism for its Part contains the basic moral rules which they call yamas and niyamas, etc.). With regard to the question about the measure of Consciousness I have to criticize you epistemologically. Heidegger would say that the question of measurement is a question related to the need to control, and this is typical of a materialist perspective of science, that is, of reducing science to a physicalist question. Now do not misunderstand me. I do not believe in the new age speech that appeals to quantum physics as a foundation. I am trying to tell you that there is a new option to justify the existence of the sacred. This option has been cultivated by Buddhists for thousands of years; Husserl in his lessons from the phenomenology of the inner consciousness of time; By the psychologist William James and now by some branches of neuroscience where you find Francisco Varela and Antonio Damasio author of the book "the feeling of what happens." The essential issue is that moral values can be justified without religious or scientificist apriorisms (materialistic physicalism). This position is called nonreductionist materialism because it attempts to suspend value judgments on matter and then builds its observations. It is certainly an unstable but respectful position that builds values and reflects a lot. For last thing Tomas de Aquino is a materialist who tries to grant transcendence to matter (a transcendence that from the phenomenology that I describe has never and will never) motivated by a religious apriorism that is the justification of the Faith. If you want to justify the Faith from a Classical institutional perspective you would have to quote Anselm of Canterbury who is really a spiritual man. I also justify Faith and consider myself to be scientifically spiritual. But in my almost justification occurs a priori and without the need for transcendence. My starting point is the suspension of the trial that you obtain thanks to the training in meditation. But it is not meditated for religious reasons. It is meditated for pleasure. In fact Buddhists are so aware that they smoke weed to keep their monastic vows (there is documentation). In broad outline my perspective is not dual. If you read Richard Dawkin you will realize that he is dual and certainly does not have a proposal for values. Chopra is the same case but from the new age rubbish. However I use bach essences without new age speech and ,for a example,my T is big (my labs are out there).
 
http://scielo.sld.cu/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1028-47962007000300003 (Andropausia y terapia floral)
 
lol where do I start???

@ddp007 No, disrespect but at this point im not sure if your trying to prove, debate, a specific point or what??? Your whole post seems to be all over the place.

For example what does this mean??? lol


",my T is big (my labs are out there)."

or

"for me the relevance of believing or not believing in God, is a matter related to moral rules of sexual character."

so your both???
"I also justify Faith and consider myself to be scientifically spiritual."


can you elaborate on this
"My starting point is the suspension of the trial that you obtain thanks to the training in meditation"

Hes dual what??
If you read Richard Dawkin you will realize that he is dual and certainly does not have a proposal for values.



Also, what does a spanish medical journal cite about Male Menopause and floral theraphy which btw , (nowone on this forum can read) have to do with God, conciousness or anything that we have spoken about??


You seem like a very smart person, and I can understand and agree to some of what you say, but other things you say sound like ramblings of a mad man. lol


Maybe im foolish and misunderstanding you, in which case please excuse my ignorance but your whole post is all over the place. lol

I kinda agree with this

"The essential issue is that moral values can be justified without religious or scientificist apriorisms"

but

So do you agree or disagree
"It is certainly an UNSTABLE but respectful position that builds values and reflects a lot."


Can you please narrow down, and state your "specific" point. Do you have a specific talking point that you would like to talk about? Or do you just want to spew out anything and everything that sounds relevant, and intellectual for the sake of having people listen to your points on 20 different subjects, some related?? Otherwise I would be up all night talking to every single point that you are attempting to enlighten us with.

Once again excuse any ignorance from me, but can you please focus on a specific thought, topic, idea that you want to share with us. Thanks
 
Spirituality is an individual personal journey. You have to allow people to be where they are in they're own journey. There is only 1 person we need to be concerned about regarding spirituality. Ourselves. You have to embody the change you wish to see in the world and be that light that helps to ignite others
 
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