Your Top 5 Fav Steroids

[RaSSS]

1. Tren
2. Test C
3. Primo
4. Var
5. Nothing to add here for me personally

 

[Papabigbiceps]

1. TestC
2. EQ
3. Anadrol
4. Superdrol
5. Deca

 

[lukiss96]

I think going under 500mg would be naive. keeps your metabolism up, less likely to lose muscle, keeps you feeling good , puts calories towards muscle rather than fat.. (I think it keeps your receptors upregulated/upregulating)

We have so much information now, the blood tests to get, what is normal and what isn't, medications to control every variable.

Theres Ezetimibe/statins for cholesterol,
nebivolol/ARBs for blood pressure and reducing the odds of cardiac problems. nattokinease for blood clotting,
Astragalus for kidneys (huge one)

I think if you're trying to get huge, you go down to 500mg when life gets in the way and you use that time to completely deload and let your joints and tendons recover.

Is there a big difference on bloodwork between a 250mg and 500mg cruise? how about 1g? I don't know, thats why if someone cares about their health they get bloodwork, maybe for someone theres no difference between 500mg and 750mg. but I think the main thing we care about, since everything else is controlled, is HDL.

if you want HDL to recover i think you need to go down to a legit TRT dose and chill. the muscle comes back quick anyway

i think we just need to get bloodwork and do our own risk management, we had these guidelines about milligrams and weeks and PCTs and etc, that all was good up until probably 2016-2018,

now we have a lot more info and don't have to rush these 12 or 16 week cycles into a clomid/nolva PCT and wait 4 months until we can do it again for the "receptors"

With testosterone, I don't feel guilty about running some strange foreign hormone, trying to make the most of X weeks on tren while my body deteriorates, like the clock is ticking. i dont worry about how my mood is day to day, wondering if my mood is due to my life circumstances or if its coming from something else I'm taking,

I agree Test is best. Like you said some guys respond better than others. So someone who responds quite good can get similar results on 400-600mg vs someone with worse than average response. He might need 750 or even 1000+ mgs.

Same goes for cruising. For example I get the same levels on 360mg/week (1.2cc of 300mg per ml) as my friend does on 500mg on the same lab/batch. We both get a bit over 2000ng/dl TT on through. He's lighter and a bit shorter.

So for me I personally noticed best cruising dose is somewhere in between 300-400mg/week. Not for health, but performance and keeping that ON look.

 

[Underworld]

1. Tren Ace
2. Tren Hex
3. Sustanon
4. Anavar
5. Primo

 

[Obeast88]

I think going under 500mg would be naive. keeps your metabolism up, less likely to lose muscle, keeps you feeling good , puts calories towards muscle rather than fat.. (I think it keeps your receptors upregulated/upregulating)

We have so much information now, the blood tests to get, what is normal and what isn't, medications to control every variable.

Theres Ezetimibe/statins for cholesterol,
nebivolol/ARBs for blood pressure and reducing the odds of cardiac problems. nattokinease for blood clotting,
Astragalus for kidneys (huge one)

I think if you're trying to get huge, you go down to 500mg when life gets in the way and you use that time to completely deload and let your joints and tendons recover.

Is there a big difference on bloodwork between a 250mg and 500mg cruise? how about 1g? I don't know, thats why if someone cares about their health they get bloodwork, maybe for someone theres no difference between 500mg and 750mg. but I think the main thing we care about, since everything else is controlled, is HDL.

if you want HDL to recover i think you need to go down to a legit TRT dose and chill. the muscle comes back quick anyway

i think we just need to get bloodwork and do our own risk management, we had these guidelines about milligrams and weeks and PCTs and etc, that all was good up until probably 2016-2018,

now we have a lot more info and don't have to rush these 12 or 16 week cycles into a clomid/nolva PCT and wait 4 months until we can do it again for the "receptors"

With testosterone, I don't feel guilty about running some strange foreign hormone, trying to make the most of X weeks on tren while my body deteriorates, like the clock is ticking. i dont worry about how my mood is day to day, wondering if my mood is due to my life circumstances or if its coming from something else I'm taking,

So just test at a gram or more a week is what your suggesting and just control estrogen side effects. What range test level are you suggesting at this dose for this maximum growth/cycle

 

[Obeast88]

1500mg for 6 months. Tapering up from 750mg.
Dial in your testosterone dose to your A.I dose.

guys make their blasts 300mg-750mg testosterone for years for no reason,
there really isn't a hell of a lot of difference between 500mg and 750mg. Especially on bloodwork.

instead of doing an extra cc or two of what works, they just add other compounds like deca to experience side effects or add orals to crush their cholesterol, when they couldve just kept it simple.

For example, I think doing a first cycle of 500mg and then 750mg for cycle 2 is a complete waste of time.

Most people are not getting big from 500 test 300 deca... 300 test 300 tren.. 600 test 50 anadrol. 600 test 450 eq.. 400 test 300 primo 200mg masteron

all of this depends on how you respond to testosterone, there are smaller guys that respond well and can get 1500mg blood levels on just 750mg.

my point is , if you want more testosterone, dont hold yourself back by some arbitrary numbers of milligrams, go off feeling, blood work and side effects.

going from 500mg to 750mg isnt "50% more gains"
just like its not, "50% more damaging"
or "50% more pumps"

I think going under 500mg would be naive. keeps your metabolism up, less likely to lose muscle, keeps you feeling good , puts calories towards muscle rather than fat.. (I think it keeps your receptors upregulated/upregulating)

We have so much information now, the blood tests to get, what is normal and what isn't, medications to control every variable.

Theres Ezetimibe/statins for cholesterol,
nebivolol/ARBs for blood pressure and reducing the odds of cardiac problems. nattokinease for blood clotting,
Astragalus for kidneys (huge one)

I think if you're trying to get huge, you go down to 500mg when life gets in the way and you use that time to completely deload and let your joints and tendons recover.

Is there a big difference on bloodwork between a 250mg and 500mg cruise? how about 1g? I don't know, thats why if someone cares about their health they get bloodwork, maybe for someone theres no difference between 500mg and 750mg. but I think the main thing we care about, since everything else is controlled, is HDL.

if you want HDL to recover i think you need to go down to a legit TRT dose and chill. the muscle comes back quick anyway

i think we just need to get bloodwork and do our own risk management, we had these guidelines about milligrams and weeks and PCTs and etc, that all was good up until probably 2016-2018,

now we have a lot more info and don't have to rush these 12 or 16 week cycles into a clomid/nolva PCT and wait 4 months until we can do it again for the "receptors"

With testosterone, I don't feel guilty about running some strange foreign hormone, trying to make the most of X weeks on tren while my body deteriorates, like the clock is ticking. i dont worry about how my mood is day to day, wondering if my mood is due to my life circumstances or if its coming from something else I'm taking,

What’s your take on this @Type-IIx

 

[ksm2]

1. Tren A
2. Test P
3. Dbol

 

[8general8]

Out of curiosity and for the sake of discussion, as I love Testostetone myself. What dosage and for how long would you suggest/recommend for a guy who wants to get big and muscular by general standards, but not huge or bodybuilding standards. Let's keep in mind long term sustainability and health too

1500mg for 6 months. Tapering up from 750mg.
Dial in your testosterone dose to your A.I dose.

guys make their blasts 300mg-750mg testosterone for years for no reason,
there really isn't a hell of a lot of difference between 500mg and 750mg. Especially on bloodwork.

instead of doing an extra cc or two of what works, they just add other compounds like deca to experience side effects or add orals to crush their cholesterol, when they couldve just kept it simple.

For example, I think doing a first cycle of 500mg and then 750mg for cycle 2 is a complete waste of time.

Most people are not getting big from 500 test 300 deca... 300 test 300 tren.. 600 test 50 anadrol. 600 test 450 eq.. 400 test 300 primo 200mg masteron

all of this depends on how you respond to testosterone, there are smaller guys that respond well and can get 1500mg blood levels on just 750mg.

my point is , if you want more testosterone, dont hold yourself back by some arbitrary numbers of milligrams, go off feeling, blood work and side effects.

going from 500mg to 750mg isnt "50% more gains"
just like its not, "50% more damaging"
or "50% more pumps"

Spot on

 

[Type-IIx]

What’s your take on this @Type-IIx

I’m confused because it’s self-contradictory. In one sentence, we should cruise at 500 mg and all we need is astralagus; in the next, if lipids are fucked (which they inevitably are at 500 mg long-term) we should go to TRT.

 

[Type-IIx]

What’s your take on this @Type-IIx

Besides the contradiction I don’t think it’s wrong per se. I just disagree that 1,500 mg of testosterone solo can ever be well tolerated and that there’s no practical difference between 300 & 1,500 mg. I don’t think @Liter O' Test is dumb just think this was a stream-of-consciousness couple of posts.

 

[Gigantic]

1. Test C
2. Deca / NPP
3. HGH

It’s all I’ve ever used, with the exception of a cut stack of Test P, Tren A and Mast P, which I don’t like.

Remember, I am not a body builder like many of you. I am doing this for personal benefit because I just like to lift weights. Don’t need money, so I just do my own thing as safely as I can.

 

[Obeast88]

Besides the contradiction I don’t think it’s wrong per se. I just disagree that 1,500 mg of testosterone solo can ever be well tolerated and that there’s no practical difference between 300 & 1,500 mg. I don’t think @Liter O' Test is dumb just think this was a stream-of-consciousness couple of posts.

Ok I was thinking how in the hell is it dumb to run 750mg test after a 500 mg week cycle. Lmao 650 mg a week did amazing things for me and was a big difference than 500 in my opinion.

But to say some points he has I kind of agree with. As per se just test only cycle at higher dose does phenomenal work that to running low dose and another compound unless tren for me atleast. Do you think running a gram week would be feasible if estrogen in check for that long of time period though? And also cruising at 500 seems like slot also I think normal 150-300 mg week after a huge cycle like that would still hold plenty of muscle mass and strength wouldn’t you say.

 

[lukiss96]

Ok I was thinking how in the hell is it dumb to run 750mg test after a 500 mg week cycle. Lmao 650 mg a week did amazing things for me and was a big difference than 500 in my opinion.

But to say some points he has I kind of agree with. As per se just test only cycle at higher dose does phenomenal work that to running low dose and another compound unless tren for me atleast. Do you think running a gram week would be feasible if estrogen in check for that long of time period though? And also cruising at 500 seems like slot also I think normal 150-300 mg week after a huge cycle like that would still hold plenty of muscle mass and strength wouldn’t you say.

Depends on how much you want to risk it. I don't think 400-500mg test cruise is sustainable long term. More in the lines of what you wrote 150-300 sounds right.

However, like I said before some guys don't respond so good and they really need to push test to get high TT on their blood work. One guy might get the same results from 500 as the other one from 1000.

At the end of the day, it's one big experiment. I just like to hear how other people do things. I myself like to take on more moderate and balanced approach.

 

[Goingstronger]

I don't think 400-500mg test cruise is sustainable long term.

It very much is, and a lot more desirable than being deficient in testosterone if you were to choose.

Just make sure to take at least 100mg aspirin a day and telmisartan, bioidentical testosterone is what your body expects you will be good and have an amazing quality of life :

- good sex
- good mood
- ability to confront anyone who has a problem with you (death stare incoming)

 

[lukiss96]

It very much is, and a lot more desirable than being deficient in testosterone if you were to choose.

Just make sure to take at least 100mg aspirin a day and telmisartan, bioidentical testosterone is what your body expects you will be good and have an amazing quality of life :

- good sex
- good mood
- ability to confront anyone who has a problem with you (death stare incoming)

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Dude, you have never injected Testosterone if I remember right. You just can't compare cream to oil no matter how you mega dose it. Sustainable is person dependent, but definitely not for everyone. You are looking in to a lot of issues down the line long term.

 

[Goingstronger]

You just can't compare cream to oil no matter how you mega dose it

Yes you can, I have consistant 2100ng/dl testosterone levels throughout the day (measured at 7am and 7pm), roughly equating to someone injecting 350mg/week.

What's your reasoning for them not being comparable then ?

 

[lukiss96]

Yes you can, I have consistant 2100ng/dl testosterone levels throughout the day (measured at 7am and 7pm), roughly equating to someone injecting 350mg/week.

What's your reasoning for them not being comparable then ?

Something tells me this ain't real. But you do you. If you're happy, go on, just be respectful to others injecting the same thing. You ain't no saint either just because you rub it and we inject.

ability to confront anyone who has a problem with you (death stare incoming)

Actually this one is annoying af, the last thing I want is problems in public. These days you better control it, cuz one bad mistake without thinking beforehand can result you years behind the bars if you know what I mean. Nothing impresses people more than a muscular guy who can avoid conflicts and fights physical or verbal.

 

[Goingstronger]

Something tells me this ain't real. But you do you. If you're happy, go on, just be respectful to others injecting the same thing. You ain't no saint either just because you rub it and we inject.

Where have you seen direspect ? I am mostly giving advice to people who never saw transdermals as a viable alternative, and I am getting lots of thanks for that.

Actually this one is annoying af, the last thing I want is problems in public. These days you better control it, cuz one bad mistake without thinking beforehand can result you years behind the bars if you know what I mean. Nothing impresses people more than a muscular guy who can avoid conflicts and fights physical or verbal.

I was exactly mentioning the opposite : testosterone gives me that death stare that makes anyone stare down and not look for problems with me.

Your eyes are the biggest deterrant.

I am not muscular at all and still people fear me. People know very well muscles don't mean much in a fight, they know, however, that determination is key and that you will fight until death when your eyes say so.

 

[lukiss96]

Where have you seen direspect ? I am mostly giving advice to people who never saw transdermals as a viable alternative, and I am getting lots of thanks for that.



I was exactly mentioning the opposite : testosterone gives me that death stare that makes anyone stare down and not look for problems with me.
How could you understand everything backwards ?

Your eyes are the biggest deterrant.

I am not muscular at all and still people fear me. People know very well muscles don't mean much in a fight, they know, however, that determination is key and that you will fight until death when your eyes say so.

Let's just end this discussion, because it is not productive at all. Accept our differences and move on. You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[buzzingonaas]

am not muscular at all and still people fear me.

woah that was a tough read