Dr. John Crisler Arrest - 'The War on Men'

[Tyler81]

So the public defense attorney who was defending Crisler was secretly out to get him so she told him NOT to testify and due to this fact the jury did not hear his side of the story and he was found guilty.

Now Crisler believes they are protecting this woman because she "brings them convictions"

But wait.

Who is "them"? Is it the same people who are waging the "war against men"?

Let's assume "them" refers to the court system and police. Ok.

But this woman is supposed to be a GOOD PUBLIC DEFENDER. So technically if that is true she wouldnt bring them convictions she would get alot of people off.

This whole thing is confusing and Crisler seems to be backwards rationalizing why he is innocent and the various people who are out to get him.

He refers to these people as "them"

 

[Michael Scally MD]

It took me less than a few minutes to find "fish-hooking." Fish-hooking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the video, she admits to biting his thumbs as he was forcing them into her mouth/throat. The evidence showing his thumbs is very damaging, IMO.

We will have to wait for the actual transcripts, hopefully unedited!

I did nothing wrong. And all credible evidence proves that. We just have to get this in front of a Judge who cares about justice.

OFC Jonte Slack's crimes (yes--they are crimes) are obvious to everyone who sees the documentary. And you haven't even seen the fabricated evidence in his official police report, or his perjury while testifying, under oath, during the trial. But you will!

SGT Brad Bach knew good and well that what I was calmly telling them I did is perfectly legal. But that does not fit his wretched desire to arrest me, so he makes up a "theory" on the spot, that I used a "well known martial arts move" on her instead. You will hear him state so, on the audio recording, that he has been personally trained in such a move. He also stated so on the stand. Under oath.

SGT Brad Bach admitted on the stand he made his "theory" up.

Here are the problems with SGT Brad Bach's "theory": no such martial arts move exists anywhere, had I actually done such a thing she would have been seriously injured (and had no injuries other than the minor ones she self-inflicted), and....are you ready?...SHE NEVER EVEN CLAIMED I DID SUCH A THING TO HER. Then or since.

Of course, OFC Edward Besonen and OFC Les Diebolt (still just a beat cop after a quarter century On The Job) had to go along with SGT Bach's treachery, as well. It's known as "circling the badges".

Even Det. Gregory Harris had to state, under oath on the stand, that I agreed with SGT Bach's "theory" days later. I am not making this up.

Do you now see how profoundly STUPID this whole case is?!

Not that anyone in the MTPD, the Ingham Co. Prosecutor's Office, or the 55th District Court cares. THAT little fact gets in the way of their "agenda".

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?21026-Dr.-John-Crisler-Has-Been-Wrongfully-Convicted-of-Domestic-Assault!&p=185588#post185588

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Contingency!!! Contingent upon what? IF he wins the case, he gets $$$. But, if he loses, he gets SQUAT. This is utter BS, completely and totally. What kind/sort of STUPID ASS lawyer would make this agreement. NOBODY. THIS IS A CRIMINAL, NOT CIVIL, CASE. Who would want such an IDIOT. Does this make ANY sense to anyone. ROTFLMAOPIMP

How does your new counsel rate your chance for success?

Excellent. Or he wouldn't have taken the case on a contingency.

He is a former police officer who then spent 17 years as a Prosecutor. He reviewed the evidence, and has been large-and-in-charge ever since. He's also a REALLY great guy.

J. NIcholas Bostic, Esq.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?21026-Dr.-John-Crisler-Has-Been-Wrongfully-Convicted-of-Domestic-Assault!&p=185588#post185588

 

[cvictorg]

Contingency!!! Contingent upon what? IF he wins the case, he gets $$$. But, if he loses, he gets SQUAT. This is utter BS, completely and totally. What kind/sort of STUPID ASS lawyer would make this agreement. NOBODY. THIS IS A CRIMINAL, NOT CIVIL, CASE. Who would want such an IDIOT. Does this make ANY sense to anyone. ROTFLMAOPIMP



http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?21026-Dr.-John-Crisler-Has-Been-Wrongfully-Convicted-of-Domestic-Assault!&p=185588#post185588

Good question - why would a defense attorney take this on a contingency basis?? This is a criminal case not a civil case. UNLESS the attorney figures this is a slam dunk winnable case and he's thinking about the civil lawsuit for damages that will follow. BUT if he loses this appeal what then?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Good question - why would a defense attorney take this on a contingency basis?? This is a criminal case not a civil case. UNLESS the attorney figures this is a slam dunk winnable case and he's thinking about the civil lawsuit for damages that will follow. BUT if he loses this appeal what then?

Win $$$ from who? WHAT CIVIL DAMAGES? Even if he wins the appeal, there will need to be a suit against the GOVERNMENT!!! They are protected. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I challenge anyone to show me a case where this occurred. THIS IS A FUCKIN' JOKE. [I am talking about a DV case, NOT murder.]

 

[cvictorg]

Win $$$ from who? WHAT CIVIL DAMAGES? Even if he wins the appeal, there will need to be a suit against the GOVERNMENT!!! They are protected. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I challenge anyone to show me a case where this occurred. THIS IS A FUCKIN' JOKE. [I am talking about a DV case, NOT murder.]

SO - why take a criminal appeal on a contingency basis?? Unless the good doctor is LYING?? Ya think?[)]

 

[cvictorg]

SO - why take a criminal appeal on a contingency basis?? Unless the good doctor is LYING?? Ya think?[)]

http://www.findgreatlawyers.com/ContingencyFeeCases.htm
Other cases where you will see attorneys almost exclusively work on a contingency basis include legal malpractice and class actions. For legal malpractice cases, attorneys that we recommend want to see financial damages as a result of an attorney messing up that would make it worth their while to pursue a case.

http://www.freelawanswer.com/law/3484-law-1.html
But really, what incentive does the attorney have to defend on contingency? As a plaintiff counsel, the attorney often gets a percentage of the damages award, so the higher the award the higher their share. But for a civil defense attorney, it's more risky, and less incentive.

Rarely, because the point of contingency is not win or lose, it's that the plaintiff doesn't have enough money to vindicate their rights (but they will, only if they actually win the case). If a defendant wins, he's in really no better financial position than at the beginning of the case, so there would be no reason to delay payment.

(Also, there are ethical rules surrounding contingency fees. Criminal defendants, for example, cannot pay on contingency. And an attorney working on contingency for a defendant would no longer have the defendant's interest at heart, because 97% of all cases settle, and if "winning" meant no recovery, those attorneys would have to push toward trial.)

Paying Lawyers through Contingency Fee
Meanwhile, contingency fee has its own restriction since this is only valid in civil cases and not in criminal lawsuits. This is commonly used in personal injury claims.

The reason why contingency fees are not allowed in criminal cases is because financial claims are not possible.



SO - I do not understand this AT ALL!!

 

[Michael Scally MD]

SO - why take a criminal appeal on a contingency basis?? Unless the good doctor is LYING?? Ya think?[)]

http://www.findgreatlawyers.com/ContingencyFeeCases.htm
Other cases where you will see attorneys almost exclusively work on a contingency basis include legal malpractice and class actions. For legal malpractice cases, attorneys that we recommend want to see financial damages as a result of an attorney messing up that would make it worth their while to pursue a case.

http://www.freelawanswer.com/law/3484-law-1.html
But really, what incentive does the attorney have to defend on contingency? As a plaintiff counsel, the attorney often gets a percentage of the damages award, so the higher the award the higher their share. But for a civil defense attorney, it's more risky, and less incentive.

Rarely, because the point of contingency is not win or lose, it's that the plaintiff doesn't have enough money to vindicate their rights (but they will, only if they actually win the case). If a defendant wins, he's in really no better financial position than at the beginning of the case, so there would be no reason to delay payment.

(Also, there are ethical rules surrounding contingency fees. Criminal defendants, for example, cannot pay on contingency. And an attorney working on contingency for a defendant would no longer have the defendant's interest at heart, because 97% of all cases settle, and if "winning" meant no recovery, those attorneys would have to push toward trial.)

Paying Lawyers through Contingency Fee
Meanwhile, contingency fee has its own restriction since this is only valid in civil cases and not in criminal lawsuits. This is commonly used in personal injury claims.

The reason why contingency fees are not allowed in criminal cases is because financial claims are not possible.



SO - I do not understand this AT ALL!!

What do you not understand OR are you being sarcastic?

Crisler would not lie, would he!

 

[cvictorg]

What do you not understand OR are you being sarcastic?

Crisler would not lie, would he!

sarcastic or not - there is no valid reason for a criminal defense attorney to take on this appeal on a contingency basis - it may even be unethical for the attorney to do so - so either there are facts we do not know or the good doctor is lying - you decide

 

[Michael Scally MD]

sarcastic or not - there is no valid reason for a criminal defense attorney to take on this appeal on a contingency basis - it may even be unethical for the attorney to do so - so either there are facts we do not know or the good doctor is lying - you decide

You have done some great research. IMO, Crisler is LYING.

I wonder what the Michigan Bar or his attorney might say?

J. NIcholas Bostic, Esq.
909 N Washington Ave
Lansing, MI 48933
Bostic & Associates, Attorneys at Law

Email:

barristerbostic@att.net

Telephone: (517) 706-0132
Facsimile: (517) 484-2330


According to MICHIGAN RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT,

Rule 1.5 Fees (c) A fee may be contingent on the outcome of the matter for which the service is rendered, except in a matter in which a contingent fee is prohibited by paragraph (d) or by other law.
(d) A lawyer shall not enter into an arrangement for, charge, or collect a contingent fee in a domestic relations matter or in a criminal matter.
Michigan Rules of Professional Conduct)

So, we are to believe this attorney is placing his license at risk for Crisler. Really!

 

[cvictorg]

You have done some great research. IMO, Crisler is LYING.

I wonder what the Michigan Bar or his attorney might say?

J. NIcholas Bostic, Esq.
909 N Washington Ave
Lansing, MI 48933
Bostic & Associates, Attorneys at Law

Email:

barristerbostic@att.net

Telephone: (517) 706-0132
Facsimile: (517) 484-2330


According to MICHIGAN RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT,

Rule 1.5 Fees (d) A lawyer shall not enter into an arrangement for, charge, or collect a contingent fee in a domestic relations matter or in a criminal matter. Michigan Rules of Professional Conduct)

So, we are to believe this attorney is placing his license at risk for Crisler. Really!

http://michbar.org/generalinfo/staff.cfm#profstan
Scroll down to Professional Standards Division

I e-mailed
Dawn Evans
Director of Professional Standards
(517) 346-6328

devans@mail.michbar.org

let's see what her answer to the following question is

"Is it ethical for an attorney to handle an appeal of a criminal conviction on a contingency basis?"

 

[Michael Scally MD]

IMO, Mr. Bostic should be alerted. Does he know Crisler could be causing some serious concerns/problems for him. To be sure, Crisler's posts states contingency. [Crisler: Take Note.]

 

[phife]

How would posting information of public record and publicly giving his side of the story on his forum violate any sentencing? I don't see how that could possibly be prohibited.

Well, at best, it's earned him an emphatic loss in the court of public opinion. His deranged, paranoid rants are almost painful to read.

He's confused as to why he's being "attacked" on the forums because he's under the deluded assumption that anyone actually believes his innocence or can state with conviction one way or the other. You have a he said/she said domestic squabble amongst two drunken nutbags...I feel bad for the police officer that had to sort that shit out.

 

[phife]

Good question - why would a defense attorney take this on a contingency basis?? This is a criminal case not a civil case.

Because this will be a NATIONAL news story. A landmark case. A victory in the WAR AGAINST MEN.

Crisler and his lawyer will both be famous. Suck it.

 

[ktmsmith]

sarcastic or not - there is no valid reason for a criminal defense attorney to take on this appeal on a contingency basis - it may even be unethical for the attorney to do so - so either there are facts we do not know or the good doctor is lying - you decide

Maybe the attorney realizes its the only way he will get paid. It doesn't take too much internet research to see that Crisler owes alot of people money....took me about 15 minutes to search public records. It's educational to say the least and surprising considering his world renown status.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

IMO, Mr. Bostic should be alerted. Does he know Crisler could be causing some serious concerns/problems for him. To be sure, Crisler's posts states contingency. [Crisler: Take Note.]

That did not take too long. The statement about "contingency" is gone. IMO, he was caught "misspeaking" (lying). The whole idea of taking a [losing] criminal case on contingency was absurd and blatantly false on a simple review. [Great Catch - cvictorg - Dr. John Crisler Arrest - 'The War on Men' ]



Now, about that evidence. So far, the evidence (heavily edited video) points to his culpability, not innocence.

 

[cvictorg]

Dr. Crisler's own words apply to himself

"Yes, look how many MEN are attacking ME over this across the Boards. But these are not men of good character. Their opinions don't count, any more than they ever have, or will.

 

[sako]

It's like watching a descent into madness.

 

[keriheat]

It's like watching a descent into madness.

If you follow the self proclamation on some other blogs, like 'White Coat' and some legal debt case's, the madness was apparently already there. Now...there is a culmination of extraneous pressure and the result is like stomping on a tube of toothpaste. Very messy!

 

[sako]

If you follow the self proclamation on some other blogs, like 'White Coat' and some legal debt case's, the madness was apparently already there. Now...there is a culmination of extraneous pressure and the result is like stomping on a tube of toothpaste. Very messy!

Lay out the links if you care, i'd be interested in taking a peek