TheDogSoldier
Member
Hi everyone,
I'm a little ways into a self-experiment, and I wanted to get some feedback.
(Background)
I am 46, pretty fit, lift, kettlebell, jiujitsu, no health problems.
Many of my peers are on TRT, but I am holding out for the time being. I had never used any PED prior to this new experiment.
A while back I asked *another forum* about short-cycle/ongoing androgen use (something like 2 weeks on, 2 off, repeat)... I was not wanting bulk, but rather all-around enhancement and "anti-aging". They talked me out of it , claiming it would be a roller-coaster, which made sense.
(Fucked with SARMS, got suppressed, fucking with Clomid now)
Eventualy I succumbed to the temptation of SARMS, and did a cycle of Ostarine. But as before, I was talked out of short-cycling by some guys on yet another forum, who claimed it needed at least 4 weeks to start working, and that 8 weeks was a good length. I used 10mg ED. First 4 weeks I felt good and gained muscle, after that I started to feel shitty, and when I stopped (no PCT, because I wanted to believe the "doesn't suppress you" hype) I had a few weeks of total hell.
I got bloods at 4 weeks post-cycle, still feeling shit but a little better. Total T was 450ng/dL (300-890), SHBG was high at 64 nmol/L (17-56), and free T was borderline at 59 pg/mL (47-244). Pre cycle I had only tested total T: 600.
I started clomid 6mg ED, which definitely helped, but morning woods disappeared after a week or two and libido dropped, so I took a week break, then another week on clomid, now off and that's where I stand now. Libido still down. Other than that, I feel mostly recovered, maybe all the way.
(EN-clomiphene next)
I like the idea of stimulating the HPTA with clomid, but do not like the sides I have experienced, which are widely attributed to the isomer zuclomiphene. I have ordered Indian pharma Enclomiphene, which should be here in a few days. I will start with that, aiming for 2 weeks at 12mg/day. I'm basing this off the phase II Androxal trial :
Testosterone restoration using enclomiphene citrate in men with secondary hypogonadism: a pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic study
...particularly the LH dynamics shown on the following graph :
Testosterone restoration using enclomiphene citrate in men with secondary hypogonadism: a pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic study ... where you can see that the 12mg group matched the 25mg group for the first 2 weeks and then dropped.
(Then bridge Enclomiphene cycles with Anavar and Proviron)
So if the enclomiphene 2-weekers give me a boost, I'll bridge them with 1 week of Proviron + 1 week Anavar. So the entire 4-week cycle will look like:
Week 1: Proviron 25/night
Week 2: Anavar 25/morning
Week 3: Enclomiphene 12mg/night
Week 4: Enclomiphene 12mg/night
Why Proviron? Because clearly my body responds to fuckery by increasing SHBG, and as I come off the enclomiphene, I want to at least free up some T.
Why Anavar? Because I do want some anabolic effects, and var is known to be fast-acting. Plus it's economical compared to Primo at least, which is the other compound I have considered for this week.
Why so short? Because it's my style. I live and train *intermittently* already. I focus on hypertrophy for 2 weeks, then 1 week on conditioning, then 1 week on recovery/therapy/mobility. So I don't expect much from any given week of this plan, but rather something that gives me a good quality of life over time and allows me to keep up with my TRT'd friends!!!
What do you think? I hope this is the right forum to find some open minds. Even if you don't like my plan at all, perhaps you can at least learn something along the way by sharing your thoughts and following my experiment.
Thank you!
I'm a little ways into a self-experiment, and I wanted to get some feedback.
(Background)
I am 46, pretty fit, lift, kettlebell, jiujitsu, no health problems.
Many of my peers are on TRT, but I am holding out for the time being. I had never used any PED prior to this new experiment.
A while back I asked *another forum* about short-cycle/ongoing androgen use (something like 2 weeks on, 2 off, repeat)... I was not wanting bulk, but rather all-around enhancement and "anti-aging". They talked me out of it , claiming it would be a roller-coaster, which made sense.
(Fucked with SARMS, got suppressed, fucking with Clomid now)
Eventualy I succumbed to the temptation of SARMS, and did a cycle of Ostarine. But as before, I was talked out of short-cycling by some guys on yet another forum, who claimed it needed at least 4 weeks to start working, and that 8 weeks was a good length. I used 10mg ED. First 4 weeks I felt good and gained muscle, after that I started to feel shitty, and when I stopped (no PCT, because I wanted to believe the "doesn't suppress you" hype) I had a few weeks of total hell.
I got bloods at 4 weeks post-cycle, still feeling shit but a little better. Total T was 450ng/dL (300-890), SHBG was high at 64 nmol/L (17-56), and free T was borderline at 59 pg/mL (47-244). Pre cycle I had only tested total T: 600.
I started clomid 6mg ED, which definitely helped, but morning woods disappeared after a week or two and libido dropped, so I took a week break, then another week on clomid, now off and that's where I stand now. Libido still down. Other than that, I feel mostly recovered, maybe all the way.
(EN-clomiphene next)
I like the idea of stimulating the HPTA with clomid, but do not like the sides I have experienced, which are widely attributed to the isomer zuclomiphene. I have ordered Indian pharma Enclomiphene, which should be here in a few days. I will start with that, aiming for 2 weeks at 12mg/day. I'm basing this off the phase II Androxal trial :
Testosterone restoration using enclomiphene citrate in men with secondary hypogonadism: a pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic study
...particularly the LH dynamics shown on the following graph :
Testosterone restoration using enclomiphene citrate in men with secondary hypogonadism: a pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic study ... where you can see that the 12mg group matched the 25mg group for the first 2 weeks and then dropped.
(Then bridge Enclomiphene cycles with Anavar and Proviron)
So if the enclomiphene 2-weekers give me a boost, I'll bridge them with 1 week of Proviron + 1 week Anavar. So the entire 4-week cycle will look like:
Week 1: Proviron 25/night
Week 2: Anavar 25/morning
Week 3: Enclomiphene 12mg/night
Week 4: Enclomiphene 12mg/night
Why Proviron? Because clearly my body responds to fuckery by increasing SHBG, and as I come off the enclomiphene, I want to at least free up some T.
Why Anavar? Because I do want some anabolic effects, and var is known to be fast-acting. Plus it's economical compared to Primo at least, which is the other compound I have considered for this week.
Why so short? Because it's my style. I live and train *intermittently* already. I focus on hypertrophy for 2 weeks, then 1 week on conditioning, then 1 week on recovery/therapy/mobility. So I don't expect much from any given week of this plan, but rather something that gives me a good quality of life over time and allows me to keep up with my TRT'd friends!!!
What do you think? I hope this is the right forum to find some open minds. Even if you don't like my plan at all, perhaps you can at least learn something along the way by sharing your thoughts and following my experiment.
Thank you!
