Let's talk about GH (and all other shit)

[Wunderpus]

I was at 6iu for a little bit but I decided to drop it back to 5iu. I think I'll keep it at that or drop down to 4iu unless on cycle... Would like to run it a little higher on cycle.

My biggest and probably only concern with running GH is insulin resistance. I think running slin starts to kind of become a necessity at or after 5iu. I need to do some more research on this. Slin just isn't something I really want to bother with... Possibly ever, but definitely not right now.

@Wunderpus what dosages do you think slin and GH start to become ideal to run together?

I'd start low at 5-7iu humalog/lin for a few weeks to start to evaluate how you deal with insulin. I would run NO LESS than 10g carbs per iu of slin for the first month or two, as well.

 

[Eman]

I'd start low at 5-7iu humalog/lin for a few weeks to start to evaluate how you deal with insulin. I would run NO LESS than 10g carbs per iu of slin for the first month or two, as well.

I was referring more to what your thoughts were on the GH dosage that insulin might be a good time to be considered.

Like, if GH dosage is at 8iu I would assume slin should probably be considered at this dose of GH.

Where do you think it's a good time to incorporate slin due to GH dose? 6iu?

 

[Wunderpus]

I'd say 4-5iu of pharma would be more than enough. Generic, who the fuck knows...?

 

[mands]

I was referring more to what your thoughts were on the GH dosage that insulin might be a good time to be considered.

Like, if GH dosage is at 8iu I would assume slin should probably be considered at this dose of GH.

Where do you think it's a good time to incorporate slin due to GH dose? 6iu?

If you are considering insulin I ask you why?

There is no real dose with GH that you should consider insulin use. Insulin can be very efficient without GH if used properly. You will also loose 90-95% of your "gains" when you discontinue insulin IME.

Is it worth the risk if you aren't stepping on stage at a national level??? NOPE!!!

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

If you are considering insulin I ask you why?

There is no real dose with GH that you should consider insulin use. Insulin can be very efficient without GH if used properly. You will also loose 90-95% of your "gains" when you discontinue insulin IME.

Is it worth the risk if you aren't stepping on stage at a national level??? NOPE!!!

mands

Hmm, that hasn't been my experience. I would say i've retained a lot more of the "gains" than I do with orals like dbol. I normally do 3-4 weeks on, 2-3 weeks off insulin, depending on a number of factors. Once I need more than 16 or so ius a day to really get that pump/fullness, I discontinue usage.

 

[Eman]

If you are considering insulin I ask you why?

I am not. Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in learning more about it but that's about where it ends. DNP is another compound I'm very interested in but I'd never fucking touch it lol.

I'm very open with my significant other about my drug use and she is exceptionally supportive. I would not be able to reconcile slin use if I told her I was going to begin using it.

I appreciate your candor though big guy.

 

[mands]

Hmm, that hasn't been my experience. I would say i've retained a lot more of the "gains" than I do with orals like dbol. I normally do 3-4 weeks on, 2-3 weeks off insulin, depending on a number of factors. Once I need more than 16 or so ius a day to really get that pump/fullness, I discontinue usage.

That's awesome to here. You think if you took off longer than 2-3 weeks you would see more of loss? I've noticed a huge amount of loss for many around the 5-6 week mark? Some around the 7-8 weeks mark.

Those losses noted were with the continued use of PED's at the same doing during insulin use.

mands

 

[Sampei]

Insulin gain alone without hgh are just temporary with high doses of hgh that's different in the way that they last longer but I still would not use it

For the average joe insulin will ruin more physique then create good one.

If you want to compete in bodybuilding then that's different and even then depends of the level you want to compete. I mean in the 80s I don't think anyone was using insulin and look the amazing physique they had.

Fuck insulin srsly

I don't condemn it's use, I just see no point in using it ever.
Sometime we should accept our AAS + hgh limit because on the way to break them adding insulin we ruin what we have achieved most of the time.

 

[mands]

THE new "Generic" HGH Assay PAGE! AAA testing

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

Insulin gain alone without hgh are just temporary with high doses of hgh that's different in the way that they last longer but I still would not use it

For the average joe insulin will ruin more physique then create good one.

If you want to compete in bodybuilding then that's different and even then depends of the level you want to compete. I mean in the 80s I don't think anyone was using insulin and look the amazing physique they had.

Fuck insulin srsly

I don't condemn it's use, I just see no point in using it ever.
Sometime we should accept our AAS + hgh limit because on the way to break them adding insulin we ruin what we have achieved most of the time.

You are missing the fact GH wasn't available, either. Insulin is newer than GH, for bodydbuilding purposes that is. The reason insulin is so damn effective with GH is largely due to the fact GH reduces insulin sensitivity. So, you need that extra punch to add on the extra weight, I've found. It's not insulin ruining the physiques, by the way, it's the GH if anything. GH -> IGF-1 -> intestines = distention.

@mands it's so tough to REALLY say what stayed, and what didn't, and why... However, I've never noticed a drastic loss, especially when compared to things like dbol (water weight). I do think the losses would/could continue the longer you stay off insulin, and maybe things like GH and/or tren (ant-catabolic drugs) would help prevent this. I think the IDEAL way someone should cycle these drugs looks like this:

-Start with JUST GH. Hyperplasia is a beautiful thing, so you want to build as many new cells as possible in this stage, and also you're not fucking with your test/est levels at all.
-A few weeks into the GH usage I'd stack insulin for 3 or so weeks.
-So, at week 7 or so, introduce the anabolics and discontinue the insulin. I'd do an oral like dbol with your injectable/s of choice. Now that there are new cells, they are ideally primed for growth.
-A few weeks in, hit the insulin again, still using GH throughout. This should be a huge growth period, and you will likely not notice some of the loss from taking out the dbol.
-Discontinue insulin towards end of cycle.
-PCT, and run GH during PCT if possible.

Then come off all drugs for as long as you desire.

 

[Sampei]

Never seen a ruined physique by hgh and AAS. Actually I have seen few amazing one on good AAS and hgh dose. Without stupid overeating and diladated stomach from 6000-8000 kcal a day.

I have seen plenty of shit physique from insuling and hgh paired together.

 

[Wunderpus]

Never seen a ruined physique by hgh and AAS. Actually I have seen few amazing one on good AAS and hgh dose. Without stupid overeating and diladated stomach from 6000-8000 kcal a day.

I have seen plenty of shit physique from insuling and hgh paired together.

How were you able to accurately discern the difference? How do you believe insulin distends a gut? It's clearly from the IGF-1 bonding to the intestines, where there just so HAPPEN to be the largest number of IGF-1 receptors... It's no coincidence.

 

[Sampei]

Insulin use can easily lead to increase of BF and remember that fat is not only subcutaneous but there is visceral fat. Plus increase of intestine is not only due to IgF but due to diet as well.

I don't see Stallone with a gut or many more others ppl using hgh.

Do you think BB from the 80s or 90s had no hgh available?

Anyway we can agree to disagree

It's ok. I would not touch insulin for many reason because I don't like the idea of risking to be diabetic (it's already a possibility without using it...).

I don't like the added stress of sipping carbs and timing the eating associated with insulin use etc.

I'm not gonna say that you or any other ppl shouldn't use it or you are crazy to do so.

To me it seems exaggerated to use insulin or crazy high dosage or massive hgh if you are not a pro. We are relaying to much on the drugs nowadays.

Look the 80s there were ppl with incredible physique and they didn't use as much as the average user on meso-rx I'm pretty sure about it lol

Ps: I probably hate insulin because to me it created the era of mass monsters freak and I'm disgusted from it. To me bodybuilding is beauty and harmony. We dont have it anymore.
I'm biased on insulin

How were you able to accurately discern the difference? How do you believe insulin distends a gut? It's clearly from the IGF-1 bonding to the intestines, where there just so HAPPEN to be the largest number of IGF-1 receptors... It's no coincidence.

 

[Wunderpus]

Insulin use can easily lead to increase of BF and remember that fat is not only subcutaneous but there is visceral fat. Plus increase of intestine is not only due to IgF but due to diet as well.

I don't see Stallone with a gut or many more others ppl using hgh.

Do you think BB from the 80s or 90s had no hgh available?

Anyway we can agree to disagree

It's ok. I would not touch insulin for many reason because I don't like the idea of risking to be diabetic (it's already a possibility without using it...).

I don't like the added stress of sipping carbs and timing the eating associated with insulin use etc.

I'm not gonna say that you or any other ppl shouldn't use it or you are crazy to do so.

To me it seems exaggerated to use insulin or crazy high dosage or massive hgh if you are not a pro. We are relaying to much on the drugs nowadays.

Look the 80s there were ppl with incredible physique and they didn't use as much as the average user on meso-rx I'm pretty sure about it lol

Ps: I probably hate insulin because to me it created the era of mass monsters freak and I'm disgusted from it. To me bodybuilding is beauty and harmony. We dont have it anymore.
I'm biased on insulin

That FAT would be GONE pre contest and on stage... It's not fat distending these guts, man.

People are fucking retarded with insulin, and they think it's some magic drug. It is not. You hear "Most anabolic substance on earth" and want to run to your nearest pharmacy and inject the whole vial... Soon, you learn insulin really isn't THAT remarkable of a tool. It works, and pretty well. Now, the MOST anabolic? No... I'd have to give that to nandrolone.

 

[Docd187123]

Insulin Does Not Increase Muscle Protein Synthesis Rate

 

[Sampei]

SO question!!

Can I diluite an hgh vial with 10IU in it with 0.5ml Of bac water instead of the usual 1ml.

The final result will be that on a 100IU insulin syringe 50IU will equal to 10IU of hgh.

What I wonder is does the hgh need a minimum quantity of water to be diluite or not?

I need to inject one full vial at a time and I don't like to inject 1ml subq it gives me a massive knot. However 0.5ml it's perfect. So can I just reconstitute a full vial with 0.5ml?

 

[DickySmalls]

That FAT would be GONE pre contest and on stage... It's not fat distending these guts, man.

People are fucking retarded with insulin, and they think it's some magic drug. It is not. You hear "Most anabolic substance on earth" and want to run to your nearest pharmacy and inject the whole vial... Soon, you learn insulin really isn't THAT remarkable of a tool. It works, and pretty well. Now, the MOST anabolic? No... I'd have to give that to nandrolone.

I'm not fat, I'm festively plump - GET IT RIGHT!

 

[DickySmalls]

SO question!!

Can I diluite an hgh vial with 10IU in it with 0.5ml Of bac water instead of the usual 1ml.

The final result will be that on a 100IU insulin syringe 50IU will equal to 10IU of hgh.

What I wonder is does the hgh need a minimum quantity of water to be diluite or not?

I need to inject one full vial at a time and I don't like to inject 1ml subq it gives me a massive knot. However 0.5ml it's perfect. So can I just reconstitute a full vial with 0.5ml?

You can although I have no idea if it reduces the efficacy of the GH. That's what I was doing originally since I buy these low dose insulin syringes: BD Lo-Dose U-100 Insulin Syringe at HealthyKin.com (and I didn't want to draw up another .5 CC to make it 1 CC) but I've since switched to adding 1 mL of bac water instead of half a mL. I forget why...

I have heard something that may be bro-science in that some people "react poorly" to the shot if it's reconstituted with a low amount of bac water. Like it gets red/painful and they claim that adding more bac water eliminated that problem. Again, just something I heard. I personally didn't experience anything different from reconstituting with half a CC vs 1 CC.

Edit: And hold on, you're doing 10 IU at once? I heard it's better to do half and half or 1/3 1/3 1/3 per day. Is that bro-science too?

 

[Mr MASSE]

If you use GH with Insulin, you don't have to worry about fat! GH is like blocking the fat and it can't easily be stored in your body!
If you use more than 5 IU daily you should use also Insulin! Not only because your body had problems to produce as much as possible or better as insulin needed! It's not only than one benefit from Insulin working with GH!
If you have to low Testo and much GH the limited factor is Testo! If you have to low Insulin the limited factor of growth is insulin if Testo and T4 and GH is enough available in your body! Period!

 

[DickySmalls]

Anyone have an answer to my question if 30/31g are a lot better than 28g for sub q? I've been using 28s but they feel a bit hard to poke through my skin most of the time.