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ruckin said:
Good log docd. I think it would make it a little more interesting if you included the weights you use instead of just the percentages. Just a suggestion.

By the way how did your dnp run end up?
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Thanks for the feedback Ruckin. I'll remember that for my next session in Thursday. How is your training going? I haven't checked in on your log in a minute but am curious as to how you're doing now that the cutting is over.

My DNP run went very well considering I must tolerate it like a champ. Going off memory and without checking my notes, I went from about 208ish pounds to 186ish pounds in a little over 4wks. I had the occasional heat spell during the day, night sweats at night, yellow urine, and shortness of breath but my workouts went amazingly well, lost no strength, experienced no lethargy, etc. All in all I'm very happy with how it went and I will give it serious thought to running it again next time I want to cut weight quickly. I can and I have dieted down without DNP many times in the past but I have to constantly fight my hunger no matter how much I load up on veggies and fibrous foods and it usually impacts my strength whereas DNP did not. I could have had better results had I actually cut calories a but and used the DNP but I think the high carb intake and normal calorie intake helped me maintain my workouts while I was losing weight...that's what I'm thinking at least.


Also, 2 forum friends that I've met before and I have decided to do a powerlifting meet in October. I'm trying to talk my coach into signing up as well but he's coaching all 3 of us so it may be difficult for him to coach us and lift in the same day. We'll see. I will be competing in the 198lb weight class, pro division, and raw classic (belt and wrist wraps but no knee wraps) again. My 1yr goal was to hit elite total next March when I do the same meet I did this past March so for this October meet my goal is to add at 150-200lbs to my total in 6.5months.
 
Docd187123 said:
Thanks for the feedback Ruckin. I'll remember that for my next session in Thursday. How is your training going? I haven't checked in on your log in a minute but am curious as to how you're doing now that the cutting is over.

My DNP run went very well considering I must tolerate it like a champ. Going off memory and without checking my notes, I went from about 208ish pounds to 186ish pounds in a little over 4wks. I had the occasional heat spell during the day, night sweats at night, yellow urine, and shortness of breath but my workouts went amazingly well, lost no strength, experienced no lethargy, etc. All in all I'm very happy with how it went and I will give it serious thought to running it again next time I want to cut weight quickly. I can and I have dieted down without DNP many times in the past but I have to constantly fight my hunger no matter how much I load up on veggies and fibrous foods and it usually impacts my strength whereas DNP did not. I could have had better results had I actually cut calories a but and used the DNP but I think the high carb intake and normal calorie intake helped me maintain my workouts while I was losing weight...that's what I'm thinking at least.


Also, 2 forum friends that I've met before and I have decided to do a powerlifting meet in October. I'm trying to talk my coach into signing up as well but he's coaching all 3 of us so it may be difficult for him to coach us and lift in the same day. We'll see. I will be competing in the 198lb weight class, pro division, and raw classic (belt and wrist wraps but no knee wraps) again. My 1yr goal was to hit elite total next March when I do the same meet I did this past March so for this October meet my goal is to add at 150-200lbs to my total in 6.5months.
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Wow 18 lbs in 4 weeks with no strength loss is crazy bro, great job!

Edit: forgot to respond to the rest of what you said. Started my cycle 8 days ago and it's been great so far, thanks for asking. I've been making great gains already. Check out my log when you have a chance!
 
Wave 1, Week 3, Day 2: speed bench/ Dynamic effort bench

Speed bench: 15 sets of doubles with 30sec rest in between @ 155lbs. Been working on my shoulder mobility as it messes up my bar path and causes forearm/elbow pain. Wrist was also hurting but with the wraps on the pain was tolerable. I need to work on not having my upper body get loose from the speed up top and external rotation in the shoulders to keep my lats tight and activated. Been working on my setup as well to keep tight and get leg drive so I toyed around with a few different setups.

DB incline press: 3x8 @ 50lbs RPE 7 felt pretty good but been getting a popping sensation in the shoulder in these
Pendlay rows: 3x10 @ 150lbs RPE 7
JM press: 3x10 @ RPE 7 these are new to me so trying to get the form down pat but they hammer the triceps hard
Band Tricep push down: 3xAMRAP RPE 10
Pull-ups: 3xAMRAP RPE 10

All in all a decent workout. My bench has suffered bc of all my upper body mobility issues but I'm beginning to see some progress. I've been able to bench with relatively little pain the last several weeks and that has been my limiting factor. Getting the weight up isn't a problem it's getting it down to my chest without aggravating my elbow/forearm. MOB work and finding a new groove/bar oath and form aphas been he,ping a lot
 
Wave 2, Week 1, Day 3: squat day

Squats: 6x3 @ 355lbs
Paused deads: 3x5 @ 225, 275, 275 RPE used
Lying hamstring curls: 3x15 @ 45lbs (hamstrings cramping up)
Dimel Deadlifts: 3x15 @ 155lbs

Got to bed very late and my energy levels reflected this. Got tired early into the workout but managed to finish it. My coach thinks we should start testing for new maxes soon. Have a meet in October and need to dial in the workload right.
 
Haven't updated in a minute but last night:

Wave 2, Week 3, Day 2: bench day

Speed bench: 10x2 @ 170lbs
DB floor press: 3x8 @ 60lbs RPE used
Pendlay rows: 3x10 @ 155lbs RPE used
LTE: 3x10 @ 50lbs + bar RPE used
Tricep push downs: 4xAMRAP @ 90lbs
Pull-ups: 3xAMRAP
DB curls: 3xAMRAP
Weighted incline sit-ups: 3x10 @ 45lbs

So I took Tuesday off of the gym to do some mobility work, foam rolling, and basic recovery work. My coach thinks I have a possible hip impingement or similar issue. I'll be making the trek to lift with him on Sunday and some other forum guys will be there, one of whom is a chiropractor, as well as the record holder for highest total in my Fed and in my weight class so I'm excited about getting some chiropractic adjustments made, some form critiques, and lifting with some badass powerlifters.

Tuesday night I got hit by a car as I was walking to my car. I came walking around a corner and this car was going at a good clip and didn't stop. Luckily she slowed down enough that I just got knocked off my feet and a few scrapes and bruises but nothing serious. Then Wednesday I was working on my brakes at my parents house bc my dad brought home the tools for me that I needed. You for the lower bolt holding the caliper bracket on you need a socket and extension and to go through the control arm where they left an opening to get at it (stupid fucking setup but whatever). My dad's car jack wasn't working so I used my spare tire jack and got under the car. The bolt was seized so when I finally broke it loose my dad saw the jack starting to slide. He pulled me out from under the car by my feet 5seconds before the jacked tipped over. Needless to say I had a pretty eventful week.

Speed bench felt good. Finding the groove with my new form. Speed was good but my shoulder flew up off the bench at full lockout so I need to keep the explosiveness but stay planted on the bench too. I also need to work on external shoulder rotation and activating my lats during the bench.

Everything else went pretty smoothly considering I was tired from a long day at work. No lifting Saturday as coach wants me fresh for Sunday. Probably working with some ME singles which is always exciting hahah.
 
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Docd187123 said:
Believe me I know all about going by feeling and by labs lol. I'm the one who is always pushing for more lab work. The only reason I haven't done so yet is bc of my school schedule, bills coming due while working much less, and I didn't expect to cycle for another 2months (was going to use pre-cycle bloods to determine my recovery from the last cycle).



Correct, I'm trying to time the cycle/blast up with the actual competition. Since I'll be using long esters for everything I want to be at least 8wks or so into the cycle when the competition date comes around but I also don't want to do a 4month cycle too lol.

Yes the low doses are so that my other health markers don't stray too far from natural. Markers such as lipids, HCT/RBC, etc. I realize the cruise I'm proposing will still alter them but not to the extent that my blast will which should allow me to be on for a longer period of time.

[quoe]Just be careful. Nandrolone is the worst offender for suppression, regardless of the ester used.

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2011 Nov;127(3-5):295-300.
Long term perturbation of endocrine parameters and cholesterol metabolism after discontinued abuse of anabolic androgenic steroids. Long term perturbation of endocri... [J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Gårevik N, Strahm E, Garle M, Lundmark J, Ståhle L, Ekström L, Rane A.

Abstract

AIMS: To study the long-term impact of anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) abuse on the cholesterol profile, and the potential to suppress endocrine activity in men working out at gym facilities. To study the relation between urinary biomarkers for testosterone and nandrolone abuse and the UGT2B17 genotype and time profile.

EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN: Subjects (N = 56) were recruited through Anti-Doping Hot-Line. Serum levels of luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), plasma levels of low density lipoprotein (LDL), high density lipoprotein (HDL) and urinary steroid profile were regularly measured for a period of up to one year after cessation of intramuscular AAS abuse.

RESULTS AND DISCUSSION: A sustained suppression of LH, and FSH was observed for several months. The nandrolone urinary biomarker 19-NA was detectable several months after the last nandrolone intake and was correlated to the levels of LH and FSH. Testosterone abuse on the other hand was detectable only for a few weeks, and some of the testosterone abusers did not test positive due to a genetic deletion polymorphism of the UGT2B17. Significantly increased levels of HDL and decreased levels of LDL were observed for 6-months after cessation of AAS abuse.

CONCLUSION: Some individuals had a sustained suppression of LH and FSH for a period of 1 year whereas the cholesterol profile was normalized within 6 month. The long term consequences of these findings remain to be established.
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^^^ 100% agreed about nandrolone. It's a tough recovery no matter how you slice it. The thing is, is there another compound with similar benefits for joints and tendons (even if temporary)? That's the primary purpose of the nandro, to ease the pain, temporarily even, so I can do normal bench. My coach has me doing floor presses to give my elbow a break. My knee is much better; still not 100% but much better than months previous.[/QUOTE]
Cbs, this is great info. I've always felt nandrolone is best saved for those already on HRT.

Also, I believe it's a terrible choice for tested athletes, for similar reasons.
 
Docd187123 said:
Haven't updated in a minute but last night:

Wave 2, Week 3, Day 2: bench day

Speed bench: 10x2 @ 170lbs
DB floor press: 3x8 @ 60lbs RPE used
Pendlay rows: 3x10 @ 155lbs RPE used
LTE: 3x10 @ 50lbs + bar RPE used
Tricep push downs: 4xAMRAP @ 90lbs
Pull-ups: 3xAMRAP
DB curls: 3xAMRAP
Weighted incline sit-ups: 3x10 @ 45lbs

So I took Tuesday off of the gym to do some mobility work, foam rolling, and basic recovery work. My coach thinks I have a possible hip impingement or similar issue. I'll be making the trek to lift with him on Sunday and some other forum guys will be there, one of whom is a chiropractor, as well as the record holder for highest total in my Fed and in my weight class so I'm excited about getting some chiropractic adjustments made, some form critiques, and lifting with some badass powerlifters.

Tuesday night I got hit by a car as I was walking to my car. I came walking around a corner and this car was going at a good clip and didn't stop. Luckily she slowed down enough that I just got knocked off my feet and a few scrapes and bruises but nothing serious. Then Wednesday I was working on my brakes at my parents house bc my dad brought home the tools for me that I needed. You for the lower bolt holding the caliper bracket on you need a socket and extension and to go through the control arm where they left an opening to get at it (stupid fucking setup but whatever). My dad's car jack wasn't working so I used my spare tire jack and got under the car. The bolt was seized so when I finally broke it loose my dad saw the jack starting to slide. He pulled me out from under the car by my feet 5seconds before the jacked tipped over. Needless to say I had a pretty eventful week.

Speed bench felt good. Finding the groove with my new form. Speed was good but my shoulder flew up off the bench at full lockout so I need to keep the explosiveness but stay planted on the bench too. I also need to work on external shoulder rotation and activating my lats during the bench.

Everything else went pretty smoothly considering I was tired from a long day at work. No lifting Saturday as coach wants me fresh for Sunday. Probably working with some ME singles which is always exciting hahah.
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Damn man- cars trying get your ass! Wear your fucking seat belt because these things happen in threes. Good to see bench number coming up- have fun with the Ugbb crew today!
 
Last Sunday I lifted with my coach and he thinks I have soemthing going on in my hips and low back. Told me to go see a doctor or PT.

Got to do some buffalo bar squats with him, partial deads, bamboo bar bench press, and lots of mobility work.
 
Had a great workout Saturday, last night.

Speed squats: 10x2 @270lbs to a below parallel box. 30sec rest between sets

Front squats: 6x3 @ 185lbs
Glute bridges: 3x10,10,8 @ 155lbs
BB sit squats: 3x10 @ 95lbs (gay I know but hopefully they'll help fix some issues)
 
So somebody stole my wrist wraps out of my gym bag on Tuesday but I just noticed today when I went to grab them for bench press. They were in my bag Tuesday for sure but I didn't pull them out or use them for squats and my gym bag stays in my car so someone took them during my workout Tuesday. Pissed someone would do that but I'll use it as an excuse to buy some better ones. I was using the Rogue Fitness wraps but probably will end up getting some EliteFTS ones
 
Bench press freestyle day:

Bench press: 5x5 @ 205lbs slight elbow pain
DB floor press: 3x8 @ 60lbs RPE
Pendlay rows: 3x12 @ 145lbs RPE
LTE's: 3x10
Tricep push downs: 4xAMRAP @ 100lbs, 100lbs, 110lbs, 110lbs
Pull-ups: 4xAMRAP
BB curls: 3x10
Weighted incline situps: 2x10 @ 45lbs
 
Docd187123 said:
So somebody stole my wrist wraps out of my gym bag on Tuesday but I just noticed today when I went to grab them for bench press. They were in my bag Tuesday for sure but I didn't pull them out or use them for squats and my gym bag stays in my car so someone took them during my workout Tuesday. Pissed someone would do that but I'll use it as an excuse to buy some better ones. I was using the Rogue Fitness wraps but probably will end up getting some EliteFTS ones
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Who the fuck steals wrist wraps out of someones car? SMH...
 
insertnamehere said:
Who the fuck steals wrist wraps out of someones car? SMH...
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They were stolen out of my gym bag while it, and I, were in the gym. I had left my bag on the other side of the gym for a while.

Edit* someone also stole my lacrosse ball a few months ago. Probably the same fucker
 
Docd187123 said:
They were stolen out of my gym bag while it, and I, were in the gym. I had left my bag on the other side of the gym for a while.

Edit* someone also stole my lacrosse ball a few months ago. Probably the same fucker
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Oh, ok I thought you meant your bag was in your car at the time. Anyway, still fucked up.

When I leave the bench to go spot someone or help out, I always have one eye on my bench, just waiting for a motherfucker to take my clips off or unload my weight. I swear, all it takes is two min away and someone is trying to take something.
 
insertnamehere said:
Oh, ok I thought you meant your bag was in your car at the time. Anyway, still fucked up.

When I leave the bench to go spot someone or help out, I always have one eye on my bench, just waiting for a motherfucker to take my clips off or unload my weight. I swear, all it takes is two min away and someone is trying to take something.
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That happened to me today also but the guy was actually pretty cool about it and I let him work in with me.
 
Docd187123 said:
That happened to me today also but the guy was actually pretty cool about it and I let him work in with me.
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I've had that happen too but its a rare occurrence. Usually its someone that doesn't even think to look if someone else is using it.

I don't use wrist wraps or a belt so I have limited items to set on or around the bench but fuck, there's chalk all over the bar, a bag of chalk on the bench and my gym card. They usually tuck tail and run when they realize its my bench.

Speaking of people not making any effort or perhaps just being clueless (this case is clueless)...I was laying back on the bench, hands on the bar, about to get into position when someone to my right asked, "hey, are you using that?" I stared at him for about 20 sec and asked him if he was serious. When all he could do was give me a blank stare back, I immediately started laughing, shaking my head, and telling him what an idiot he was as I got back under the bar.
 
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