Looking To Start My First Cycle With Less Than 3 Months Experience in the Gym

[Eman]

I won't be as motivated as I know my body would be working against me.

What..? Just... What...??? ^ This sentence right here is why you have no reason to be using PED's.

 

[Sabian]

You guys make an excellent point. I know I will have to keep up with the high calorie diet while on gear to see the gains. The gear for me would be an extra motivation to do that. If I do it naturally I won't be as motivated as I know my body would be working against me. In a sense the gear is just additional support... something to reassure me that if I keep up with my diet and workout routine I will at least see the gains I am working for.

Also I need that extra boost the gear would provide me to push my muscles to exhaustion in the gym and aid with recovery time so that my muscles will be in the best anabolic state possible.

Don't waste your money!!! Don't be fucking lazy!! Find a different motivation. Spend the money you'll save on more food and eat it. Aas are not miracle drugs and there will be NO benefit for you taking them at this point.

 

[mafaon]

You truly don't realize what you want to get into. Let me start by saying that you have been "training" for less then a full month. You don't even lift yet bro.

First and most important, steroids are not like recreational drugsalMessing with your hormones is no fucking joke. Read the threads about dude's whose dick doesn't work anymore after half a cycle. Are you ready to have to stick a needle in yourself every week for the rest of your life because you fucked up your natural test production??

I do know what I am getting into. I was a biology student. I understand that there are risks to my hormonal homeostatic balance. That's why I am doing intensive research before I start any cycle. I will be using Arimidex while on cycle to keep my Estrogen balance in check. I'll have all my PCT products on hand to ensure proper recovery after I complete the cycle. I am not going into this blindly.

Second, as was previously stated, you need to learn how to build muscle naturally first and build a base before even considering steroids. This is done through proper training and nutrition which the majority of people at the gym have no clue of. I personally recommend muscleforlife .com to help you learn the proper way to eat and train. Otherwise, you won't gain anything for the risks you are taking using steroids. Steroids don't just grow muscles for you. They just help make the process more efficent to a trained person.

And that is exactly what I want. I know steroids won't grow my muscles overnight. I have to put in the actual work. It is the efficiency that steroids provide that I am seeking. Why should I struggle with something when there is a more efficient way to do it? This is an informed decision that I am making.

BTW, telling me I should wait to build naturally first sounds like an adult telling their teenage kid to wait until they get married b4 having sex. We both know that ain't gonna happen realistically speaking.

I know exactly what I am getting into and I understand how steroids affect one's biology. I don't need any lecturing.

Third, you are going to risk your going to prison, your career, and your family by buying drugs on the black market that aren't going to do anything to help you right now and possibly mess you up for life.

Finally, like Jay said, why are you posting on a steroid forum if you are not looking for validation. Because you are looking for a source?? Meso isn't a source board so you are on the wrong forum. Go to eroids and come back to Meso after you fuck yourself up and are looking for advice on how to fix your messed up endocrine system.

Have fun with your flaccid dick and no gains. See you around.

Nice scare tactics, but I am not deterred. With everything in life comes risks and rewards. As adults we all have to do our own cost-benefit analysis to determine if any given prospect is worth it.

To me the decision to use steroids is analogous to the decision one would make to have unprotected sex. While going raw is wrought with risks (some of which may haunt you for a lifetime), the pleasure potential makes it worth it at times (that's of course assuming you have done your homework in assessing your partner).

In the same sense, the decision to use steroids comes with many risks (some of which may affect you for the rest of your life), however the muscle gain potential makes it worth it at times (providing you do your homework in assessing your sources and providing you do your cycle and pct correctly).

 

[Sabian]

It's obvious your not going to take any advice offered to you and have you mind set. So why post and waste other members time here. If you really did you homework and research you would wait. Like you said though your an adult and its your choice. Good luck!!

 

[mafaon]

It's obvious your not going to take any advice offered to you and have you mind set. So why post and waste other members time here. If you really did you homework and research you would wait. Like you said though your an adult and its your choice. Good luck!!

I post here because you guys are veterans in this arena and I wanted to get your scrutiny before proceeding. It is part of my research process. I fully expected the answers I got. Your replies were very predictable. I love to weigh way all viewpoints when making any major decision in life.

When I start my cycle I will be logging it for further scrutiny and support from the community as I go.

 

[bill9799]

Just don't break a needle off in your ass the first time you attempt to pin. On second thought, hopefully you do so you'll reconsider what it is you are doing!

 

[Nutpuncher]

OK so I'm gonna be straight up with you guys. Before you lay into me, just please bear in mind I'm not looking for anyone's validation. I am prepared for whatever scrutiny this community has to offer. This is my story:

I'm a 28 yr old black dude. For all my life I've been the thin weak nerdy type. I'm 6'1" and I weigh approximately 160lbs on an empty stomach. I'm what they call a hardgainer -- I can easily eat a ton of food and not gain a pound.

Like many Americans, I joined the gym this year to fulfill one of my New Year's Resolutions. I also started a new high calorie diet (around 3500 cal per day) to support my new gym routine. However, January has barely drawn to a close, and I've already given up on my new diet and workout routines.

Why did I give up? It's not because I'm a quitter or because I'm lazy. It's because I recognize that my biology is working against me. I don't want to waste my time punching against the wind if there is a more effective way out there to achieve my objective.

I'm nowhere near my natural peak right now. I think for my height (6'1"), my natural peak is around 195 pounds. Yes I know it's possible for me to keep at it and eventually reach my natural peak; but that would take a gigantic investment in time, money, and sweat for me to get there. I've set a goal to hit 185 this summer and possibly 195 by the end of the year. I doubt I can get there naturally.

Because of my high metabolic rate, I'd have to spend an inordinate amount of money on food to support the kind of diet I need to gain muscle. I just don't have the time and patience to make that kind of investment only to see very little gains naturally.

That's why I've come to the decision to use anabolic steroids. It's something that I've considered carefully and I've determined that it's the right course for me. Yes I know many will tell me I am not ready for this and that I should try get more experience in the gym and achieve my natural peak first but I am not deterred.

For most of you, steroids are a way to get past your peak and become that beast you've always dream of becoming. I, on the other hand, am not looking to be a beast (at least not right now). I just want to get to my 'natural' peak. I'll be employing AAS as a vehicle to help me get there.

Yes I know that AAS by themselves won't make me muscular and ripped. I know that I have to put in the hard work at the gym and have the right diet to realize the gains from any AAS cycle. I am fully prepared for that. I am also aware of the side effects of the different steroids out there.
This is an informed adult decision that I am making.

I am already planning my first cycle which will consist of Test and Dbol. My biggest issue right now is settling on the sources. I am open to any suggestions you might have on that. I pretty much know which labs I want to get my gear from (Alpha Pharma is at the top of my list), but it's finding the right source for the lab that's holding me back right now as there is so much divergent information out there about any given source.

OK I know this is a long thread, and I hope you haven't fallen asleep by now but I'm interested in knowing your thoughts on this...

Since you say your an adult, I'll speak to you that way.

All I hear is excuses. If your mind is made up, then I will not try to convince you otherwise. Nobody will help you with a source unless they are trying to scam you. What I see happening is you get on gear and your muscles will exponentially get stronger but your weak ass tendons/ligaments won't be able to handle it.....snap....you just injuries yourself.

 

[ironwill1951]

you are lazy looking for an the way out ,read what @Skull has posted , in fact read it several times or until you understand what he is saying.
then after you have read it until you understand then do what he says, he is spot on , you will get no better advice ...

@Sparky_332 is right on the money. If you dont know how to gain mass without gear, it isn't going to be any different with it. 3months experince smfh. Should have done 3yr at least of hardcore dieting an training. You are going about it all kinds of wrong an the funny thing is, you already know it smh. Your gains will be short lived just like im sure your weightligting hobby will be. Hardgainer my ass. You just dont want it bad enough an your not willing to put out the effort. Your the type that wants it all right know huh? It doesn't work that way at all. Bodybuilding is a fuckin marathon not an all out sprint. You get out of it what you put in it. It takes years an years, not just a few months on cycle. This is a lifestyle. If your not in it at 100% day in an day out, you wont gain shit. You should have tried eating 8 full course meals a day if your such a "hardgainer". If that didnt work you should have upped it to 10. I bet you dont even eat half that lmfao. I have talked to so many guys that say the same thing you just did. When I ask them to break down their meals for me their like...oh I eat alot bahaha. Just like you, they haven't the slightest idea on how to diet inorder to gain true mass. Instead they'll throw that very same card down cuz they have no clue on how to play the game!!!!! Whatever im out......

 

[Sabian]

@Sparky_332 is right on the money. If you dont know how to gain mass without gear, it isn't going to be any different with it. 3months experince smfh. Should have done 3yr at least of hardcore dieting an training. You are going about it all kinds of wrong an the funny thing is, you already know it smh. Your gains will be short lived just like im sure your weightligting hobby will be. Hardgainer my ass. You just dont want it bad enough an your not willing to put out the effort. Your the type that wants it all right know huh? It doesn't work that way at all. Bodybuilding is a fuckin marathon not an all out sprint. You get out of it what you put in it. It takes years an years, not just a few months on cycle. This is a lifestyle. If your not in it at 100% day in an day out, you wont gain shit. You should have tried eating 8 full course meals a day if your such a "hardgainer". If that didnt work you should have upped it to 10. I bet you dont even eat half that lmfao. I have talked to so many guys that say the same thing you just did. When I ask them to break down their meals for me their like...oh I eat alot bahaha. Just like you, they haven't the slightest idea on how to diet inorder to gain true mass. Instead they'll throw that very same card down cuz they have no clue on how to play the game!!!!! Whatever im out......

Great response skull. Love the way you put it out there. Good advice but I'm pretty sure this guy is going to ignore all of it.

 

[Triton_]

OK so I'm gonna be straight up with you guys. Before you lay into me, just please bear in mind I'm not looking for anyone's validation. I am prepared for whatever scrutiny this community has to offer. This is my story:

I'm a 28 yr old black dude. For all my life I've been the thin weak nerdy type. I'm 6'1" and I weigh approximately 160lbs on an empty stomach. I'm what they call a hardgainer -- I can easily eat a ton of food and not gain a pound.

Like many Americans, I joined the gym this year to fulfill one of my New Year's Resolutions. I also started a new high calorie diet (around 3500 cal per day) to support my new gym routine. However, January has barely drawn to a close, and I've already given up on my new diet and workout routines.

Why did I give up? It's not because I'm a quitter or because I'm lazy. It's because I recognize that my biology is working against me. I don't want to waste my time punching against the wind if there is a more effective way out there to achieve my objective.

I'm nowhere near my natural peak right now. I think for my height (6'1"), my natural peak is around 195 pounds. Yes I know it's possible for me to keep at it and eventually reach my natural peak; but that would take a gigantic investment in time, money, and sweat for me to get there. I've set a goal to hit 185 this summer and possibly 195 by the end of the year. I doubt I can get there naturally.

Because of my high metabolic rate, I'd have to spend an inordinate amount of money on food to support the kind of diet I need to gain muscle. I just don't have the time and patience to make that kind of investment only to see very little gains naturally.

That's why I've come to the decision to use anabolic steroids. It's something that I've considered carefully and I've determined that it's the right course for me. Yes I know many will tell me I am not ready for this and that I should try get more experience in the gym and achieve my natural peak first but I am not deterred.

For most of you, steroids are a way to get past your peak and become that beast you've always dream of becoming. I, on the other hand, am not looking to be a beast (at least not right now). I just want to get to my 'natural' peak. I'll be employing AAS as a vehicle to help me get there.

Yes I know that AAS by themselves won't make me muscular and ripped. I know that I have to put in the hard work at the gym and have the right diet to realize the gains from any AAS cycle. I am fully prepared for that. I am also aware of the side effects of the different steroids out there.
This is an informed adult decision that I am making.

I am already planning my first cycle which will consist of Test and Dbol. My biggest issue right now is settling on the sources. I am open to any suggestions you might have on that. I pretty much know which labs I want to get my gear from (Alpha Pharma is at the top of my list), but it's finding the right source for the lab that's holding me back right now as there is so much divergent information out there about any given source.

OK I know this is a long thread, and I hope you haven't fallen asleep by now but I'm interested in knowing your thoughts on this...

What's going to happen is you're going to fuck up your endocrine system, grow tits, lose labido, and be worse off than how you started... 3 months of weightlifting and 3500 calories? For someone who is your size? Come on now... The fuck

 

[jJjburton]

@Sparky_332 is right on the money. If you dont know how to gain mass without gear, it isn't going to be any different with it. 3months experince smfh. Should have done 3yr at least of hardcore dieting an training. You are going about it all kinds of wrong an the funny thing is, you already know it smh. Your gains will be short lived just like im sure your weightligting hobby will be. Hardgainer my ass. You just dont want it bad enough an your not willing to put out the effort. Your the type that wants it all right know huh? It doesn't work that way at all. Bodybuilding is a fuckin marathon not an all out sprint. You get out of it what you put in it. It takes years an years, not just a few months on cycle. This is a lifestyle. If your not in it at 100% day in an day out, you wont gain shit. You should have tried eating 8 full course meals a day if your such a "hardgainer". If that didnt work you should have upped it to 10. I bet you dont even eat half that lmfao. I have talked to so many guys that say the same thing you just did. When I ask them to break down their meals for me their like...oh I eat alot bahaha. Just like you, they haven't the slightest idea on how to diet inorder to gain true mass. Instead they'll throw that very same card down cuz they have no clue on how to play the game!!!!! Whatever im out......

PREEAAAACH!

 

[jJjburton]

If your looking for veterans advice, and get it why don't you listen? Biology degree doesn't mean shit btw. You are pretty much fucked, going into it like this. These are only 1/3 of the problems with what you are doing. You do need some foundation before you start. You should have just not posted this. YOU ARE FUCKED!

 

[Eman]

OP is a troll... If there is one thing that'll get meso members irritated it's someone who comes in and posts exactly what he did - training for three months, "hard gainer" eating 3500 cal, starting a dbol + test cycle though.. Your age doesn't match what you say either which is another common red flag for a troll. Fuck off.

 

[mafaon]

... What I see happening is you get on gear and your muscles will exponentially get stronger but your weak ass tendons/ligaments won't be able to handle it.....snap....you just injuries yourself.

That is what I need mostly... the gain in strength. I'm not stupid, I won't lift weights that I know will damage my tissues. The additional strength from the AAS will allow me to increase my reps at a respectable (but safe) weight to add the right amount of tension to my muscles for optimal anabolic gain.

The AAS will just be a compliment to my routine not a replacement. I understand the science behind it.

 

[Sparky_332]

Here's the cycle I propse you run...

Week 1-24: Steak, chicken, fish @ 250 G per day split in 3-5 "pins" ED
Week 1-24: Sweet potatos, Quinoa, rice or oats @ 300-400g split in 3-5 "pins" ED
Week 1-24: Green veggies with every "pin"
Week 1-24: Eggs, Avocados and raw nuts (and dairy if you tolerate it well) mixed in as needed

Ancilaries: Iron (Starting Strength, 5X5, 5-3-1 or any ofthe plethora of great programs out there) @ 45-90 min 3-5 days a week. Stay away from your gyms cardio equipment and get plenty of sleep. Seroiusly try this. You will be pleasantly surprised by the results.

 

[Eman]

Here's the cycle I propse you run...

Week 1-24: Steak, chicken, fish @ 250 G per day split in 3-5 "pins" ED
Week 1-24: Sweet potatos, Quinoa, rice or oats @ 300-400g split in 3-5 "pins" ED
Week 1-24: Green veggies with every "pin"
Week 1-24: Eggs, Avocados and raw nuts (and dairy if you tolerate it well) mixed in as needed

Ancilaries: Iron (Starting Strength, 5X5, 5-3-1 or any ofthe plethora of great programs out there) @ 45-90 min 3-5 days a week. Stay away from your gyms cardio equipment and get plenty of sleep. Seroiusly try this. You will be pleasantly surprised by the results.

Uhh PCT protocol??

 

[bill9799]

Uhh PCT protocol??

HAAAA!!!

 

[mafaon]

OP is a troll... If there is one thing that'll get meso members irritated it's someone who comes in and posts exactly what he did - training for three months, "hard gainer" eating 3500 cal, starting a dbol + test cycle though.. Your age doesn't match what you say either which is another common red flag for a troll. Fuck off.

LoL I fully expected a response like this sooner than later... the old dismissing the OP as a troll when you find the post perplexing.

I was completely truthful in my post. What do you mean that my age doesn't match what I said? This forum is notorious for harsh scrutiny and you are certainly living up to that.

I posted here precisely because I want to get that kind of unfiltered feedback on my plans. I love to consider all viewpoints when I do anything, but I am a tough cookie... I am not easily swayed one way or another.

 

[D-Ballin]

The post isn't perplexing. It's asinine.

So, are you a troll, or the worst kind of self righteous askhole? It only goes two ways. Neither is well received here.

I'm not going to take long feeding you. But you might want to consider that the "inordinate" amount of food you are worried about spending money on is going to increase by about 1k calories a day to see the full effect of the gear. And that being as how you clearly don't have your diet or training in check now, you'll see approximately the same results as you would riding your noob gains. Using will get you faster recovery time (which you don't truly gave the capability to use yet), a few more pounds when finished, and a whole host of potential side effects to deal with. So you're essentially paying out 400 or so to combat acne and estrogen.

Gear is a great idea. It's just not a great idea right this very second. At least get your diet and training in check, get to 170 on your own so that you know you have some potential to be able to keep the gains (the food cost doesn't end when you come off), and make sure that you actually enjoy this lifestyle before you go taking needless risks.

Now, ignore all that, and go play with yourself. You'll want to get plenty of fun time in, because you're not going to know what to do with yourself when you PCT and go a month with a limp dick, all over fitting an extra ten pounds into an arbitrary, self imposed time frame in which to make your gainz.

 

[mkulltra58]

I got a better idea for you than using steroids that would probably be easier than you gaining mass and becoming a man. Start pumping estrogen in yourself so you grow a nice pair of tits. Then cut off your dick since you aren't going to need it anymore. Find a good doctor that can give you a nice, tight vagina. Once you do all that, I make a mold of my dick so you can fuck yourself with it. Do it on webcam so you can make some money and have a career for yourself as the transgender twink that has been living inside of you your whole life. And when you finally can't live with the guilt and shame you have brought to your family, do them and yourself a favor and kill yourself so nobody has to deal with you anymore.

Now get the fuck off of Meso and start working on being the real twink bitch that you are.