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RodgerThat said:
Damage to the lumbar? I know you don’t like the idea of deadlifts in B.B. but I thought it was due to waist widening issues. A proper deadlift does not damage a lumber, yes there’s chance with improper form but you’re more likely to damage shoulders during benching so by that logic you shouldn’t bench?
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Yawn
Same old argument
Kevin Levrone is one of the best bodybuilders ever. Larger and more muscular than any PL and he just deadlifted 5hundo. I want you to think about that man...

Deadlifts have near penis to do with BB and creating an absurdly large and chiseled physique
 
Hell even the NCAA and NFL has done away with deadlifts as a feat of strength aimed at showing potential of their players. Guess what was put in its place? Rack pull...
Guess why? Lower back injuries that are entirely unnecessary and the benefits of the rack pull are still tremendously high without the extra risk to their millions of dollars of investments
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
Hell even the NCAA and NFL has done away with deadlifts as a feat of strength aimed at showing potential of their players. Guess what was put in its place? Rack pull...
Guess why? Lower back injuries that are entirely unnecessary and the benefits of the rack pull are still tremendously high without the extra risk to their millions of dollars of investments
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Regardless of personal opinion on deadlift. It's a competition lift in PL. This is the PL thread.

Youre gonna be hard pressed to find any support on abandoning the deadlift here.

I recently added rack pulls to my training, fwiw. As an exercise to overload and improve my deadlift, for strongman, where it is also a comp lift.

If we are talking about injury risk, I'd rather see the "average" lifter abandon the low bar back squat. Very few do them correctly.
 
Dw725 said:
Regardless of personal opinion on deadlift. It's a competition lift in PL. This is the PL thread.

Youre gonna be hard pressed to find any support on abandoning the deadlift here.

I recently added rack pulls to my training, fwiw. As an exercise to overload and improve my deadlift, for strongman, where it is also a comp lift.

If we are talking about injury risk, I'd rather see the "average" lifter abandon the low bar back squat. Very few do them correctly.
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The man in question has back problems. I gave the man in question a simple and just as effective substitute for the deadlift to continue his BB journey. As he already said...i dont see what the problem is?
The PL dogma of 3 magical exercises for everyone is complete BS as far as BB is concerned and if totals only mattered elite PLers would be the largest and most muscular ppl on the planet.
But there not.
Since tank is in to bodybuilding training. Which is the art of building muscle not building a bigger total a rack pull is an outstanding substitute with minimal risk for the precious lower back.
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
The man in question has back problems. I gave the man in question a simple and just as effective substitute for the deadlift to continue his BB journey. As he already said...i dont see what the problem is?
The PL dogma of 3 magical exercises for everyone is complete BS as far as BB is concerned and if totals only mattered elite PLers would be the largest and most muscular ppl on the planet.
But there not.
Since tank is in to bodybuilding training. Which is the art of building muscle not building a bigger total a rack pull is an outstanding substitute with minimal risk for the precious lower back.
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Rack pulls aren't a horrible lift and they do have their place. He said he would love to do PL but is settling for BB bc the hardware isn't in the best of shape. A deadlift only hurts the discs when you pull from a position of lumbar flexion. I'm not talking about typical overuse injuries bc those can happen with any lift. Anyway, my point is, if he can keep lumbar extension and maintain a neutral spine THROUGHOUT the entire movement, then deads can still be on the menu as he said they still are seasonally. If the lumbar spin cannot maintain neutrality than rack pulls can be a good substitute to help strengthen the erectors and lumbar in the interim. I'm not harping on the magical three when I say this but bc deads are one of the best, most whole body lofts anyone can do, it would be a shame to drop them without good reason.
 
Blah blah blah blah blah..

seated good mornings will build your erectors a ton. here is a young Chris Duffin to show you.


i do not recommend the following for @TorroXL but these also will build an amazing set of erectors and upper back. can do these seated also.
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
Yawn
Same old argument
Kevin Levrone is one of the best bodybuilders ever. Larger and more muscular than any PL and he just deadlifted 5hundo. I want you to think about that man...

Deadlifts have near penis to do with BB and creating an absurdly large and chiseled physique
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Wait I’m not saying they help bodybuilding at all I’m just saying they don’t injure your lumbar like you stated. I ain’t saying anything else and I don’t even think we are arguing to the same point cause I didn’t say it Apply’s for bodybuilding just that bench pressing is more injury prone then deadlift is.
 
RodgerThat said:
Wait I’m not saying they help bodybuilding at all I’m just saying they don’t injure your lumbar like you stated. I ain’t saying anything else and I don’t even think we are arguing to the same point cause I didn’t say it Apply’s for bodybuilding just that bench pressing is more injury prone then deadlift is.
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theprodgicalson said:
Blah blah blah blah blah..

seated good mornings will build your erectors a ton. here is a young Chris Duffin to show you.


i do not recommend the following for @TorroXL but these also will build an amazing set of erectors and upper back. can do these seated also.
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Docd187123 said:
Rack pulls aren't a horrible lift and they do have their place. He said he would love to do PL but is settling for BB bc the hardware isn't in the best of shape. A deadlift only hurts the discs when you pull from a position of lumbar flexion. I'm not talking about typical overuse injuries bc those can happen with any lift. Anyway, my point is, if he can keep lumbar extension and maintain a neutral spine THROUGHOUT the entire movement, then deads can still be on the menu as he said they still are seasonally. If the lumbar spin cannot maintain neutrality than rack pulls can be a good substitute to help strengthen the erectors and lumbar in the interim. I'm not harping on the magical three when I say this but bc deads are one of the best, most whole body lofts anyone can do, it would be a shame to drop them without good reason.
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gr8whitetrukker said:
The man in question has back problems. I gave the man in question a simple and just as effective substitute for the deadlift to continue his BB journey. As he already said...i dont see what the problem is?
The PL dogma of 3 magical exercises for everyone is complete BS as far as BB is concerned and if totals only mattered elite PLers would be the largest and most muscular ppl on the planet.
But there not.
Since tank is in to bodybuilding training. Which is the art of building muscle not building a bigger total a rack pull is an outstanding substitute with minimal risk for the precious lower back.
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I love MESO;)
You guys are awesome!!! All joking aside... Let’s just be safe out there...
 
Just do sumo or trap bar deadlift and pull off blocks if necessary for less stress to the lower back. Or pull conventional off blocks or in the rack. If you like to deadlift and don't compete you can do whatever works for you.
 
I rack pull under the 2nd hole from the bottom and keep my feet as forward of the bar as i can and pull backwards at an angle best i can. Minimal lower back stress/pain. Maximum trap activation.

The 2nd hole is just below the knee for me

Then ill rip out some plate shrugs superset style. Great posterior upper body work
 
@gr8whitetrukker I've been using the trap bar lately for the first time in my life and it consistently makes my traps more sore than anything I've done. Not to say soreness is a sign of growth or anything, but it's unusual for me to get sore with anything week after week. Definitely less lower back stress than block/rack pulls with a barbell. If you have some blocks to get the bar where you like it for rack pulls you should give it a try sometime.
 
Perrin Aybara said:
@gr8whitetrukker I've been using the trap bar lately for the first time in my life and it consistently makes my traps more sore than anything I've done. Not to say soreness is a sign of growth or anything, but it's unusual for me to get sore with anything week after week. Definitely less lower back stress than block/rack pulls with a barbell. If you have some blocks to get the bar where you like it for rack pulls you should give it a try sometime.
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I would if we had one bromethius
 
Here is an update gentlemen.

I did not do a log leading up to my first at fifty last month because the meet was only 5 months after bicep tendon and shoulder surgery and it wasn't a typical meet training schedule as I was working around that injury and was only able to squat three times due to knee issues. So I had no idea what to expect.

My long term goal has always been to have a total that leads the National Rankings for the year. Well I missed that target but let's say I did the next best thing. Total was a little shy of 1,300 at 181.

Met up with a couple of Meso powerlifters at the meet. One of whom wrapped my knees squatting. Went two for three squatting miscalled my second attempt and ended up 5 kilos higher than what I thought so it was a nice surprise when the meet results were posted.

Three national records in one of the larger federations. Overall I'm happy with this. Came out of it no worse than I went in. Closing in on some lifetime goals and I can smell them now.
 
And the crowd explodes with cheering

MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS! MASTERS!
 
In case anyone has ever wondered how to do a "DEEP BARBELL BACK SQUAT" here is a video. Crossshit is trying to turn our wonderful world of weights into a fag fuck fest with their nomenclature. I wish they would just stick to jumping off of 48" boxes and rounded back deadlifts so they can end their careers at a ripe age of 25.

 
miketee said:
In case anyone has ever wondered how to do a "DEEP BARBELL BACK SQUAT" here is a video. Crossshit is trying to turn our wonderful world of weights into a fag fuck fest with their nomenclature. I wish they would just stick to jumping off of 48" boxes and rounded back deadlifts so they can end their careers at a ripe age of 25.

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This was shit man... literally the shittiest tutorial I’ve seen ever. If the guy is shirtless instantly he isn’t a power lifter so wrong section there and there isn’t any actual information in this like at all. :confused:
 
miketee said:
In case anyone has ever wondered how to do a "DEEP BARBELL BACK SQUAT" here is a video. Crossshit is trying to turn our wonderful world of weights into a fag fuck fest with their nomenclature. I wish they would just stick to jumping off of 48" boxes and rounded back deadlifts so they can end their careers at a ripe age of 25.

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Ahhh...so hes squatting
GOT IT
 
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