Then where are all the other complaints from customers using that batch???
And, No, they are NOT "just like the rest of them."
Only a very small number of very large labs have this level of equipment and large scale production.
Are you new to all this???
do you truly believe an individual guy filling vials with a hand pump in the garage or his basement is the same as a lab with sterile automated production lines, on staff chemists, an MD to answer questions, and multiple sites in multiple languages to serve customers in most countries?
IF that is all the same to you then you obviously ruin your own credibility.
Here are some ways Pharmacom is different than other labs:
1. Oil, by nature, contains small water particles. When present in the cooking oil you use at breakfast there's little need for concern. But those same water particles present in an oil you are about to inject present a far greater problem. You might know what can happen if you attempt to mix 1ml of oil and 1ml of water for injection. But that's only the beginning, the water itself is also a very good medium for bacteria to reproduce - in stark contrast to sterile oil. Therefore, we put great care into oil dehydration to minimize all potential health risks however slim. Many cheap oil-based steroids cannot offer the same guarantee. Pharmacom Labs remains one of the few manufacturers that can offer these measures with high-performance equipment at a decent price!
2. Are you aware of how and under what circumstances some other labs filter their final products? Syringe filters are often used in lesser quality labs, but they are not reliable; a proper filter would need to be at least 22 micrometers as a minimum. If you imagine the process of sieving oil through a filter of an average size to meet commercial demand, you would need at least 600 kPa of pressure. This is simply impossible without sufficient equipment, custom fit vacuum pumps or compressors designed for pharmaceutical use, a pressured air dryer, a large quantity of filters including cyclons. No labs selling cheap products possess this cost prohibitive professional equipment.
3. Do you know if and how other manufacturers avoid double bond (olefinic bond) sequences in ethyl oleate? How do they avoid fast oxidation?
This olefinic bond is the cause of a so-called "unsaturated condition" of EO - all unsaturated acids are highly attracted to all olefin-type combination reactions. Most labs use standard vials and rubber caps purchased from ordinary online supply stores. But ethyl oleate as a solvent can react with rubber causing its oxidation. With time, as you might have guessed, the rubber degrades.
So we ask - how many manufacturers use a non-toxic, hypoallergenic thermoplastic rubber which additionally mitigates this shortcoming? Are they even aware of it at all?
4. Plenty of labs will be quick to tell you they use benzyl alcohol as an antiseptic agent, but do they know that it is truly only effective under very specific controlled conditions? One of the strongest conditions being the pH level of oil - benzyl alcohol loses its antiseptic efficiency at a pH <5 or >7. Do they have the capabilities to control for this? We have our doubts. If you use a cheap testosterone product from a lesser lab, your bloodwork may indeed reflect that it contained active hormone. But we ask you, what could happen with longterm storage of such a product? Believe us, you will not want to inject it into your body!
5. What preserving agents are other manufacturers using against g-negative bacteria - if they are even using them at all?
Benzyl alcohol, while effective against g-positive bacteria, is not sufficient against g-negative bacteria which have a thicker cell membrane making them resistant to not only BA but many preserving agents in general. While we cannot disclose the specific technologies we use as part of our production secret, we guarantee we have the means and the will to use them in our oils.
Neglecting the use of parabens, chlorobutanol, and other such agents clearly implies clandestine production, typically with the intent to sell as many products as possible with minimal expense - no longterm strategy of precautions. Whether or not a customer intends to use a product two or three years down the road is certainly of no concern to them, which poses a serious question of concern to consumers.
So we have to reiterate: we have the industrial scale equipment and the technical prowess to ensure all of these standards - and plenty more we cannot disclose. But with that comes a greater cost than what you would find in lesser clandestine labs.
Show me a garage UGL with production such as this:
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Pharmacom Analytic testing results:
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https://int.basicstero.ws/index/results
Go ask you local little ugl to see his HPLC results or production facility (maybe he won't show you for security reasons so just ask for some video of the equipment).
But if it is all the same then you are free to go buy whatever you like better -- I myself still use multiple labs for some specific items because there are a couple good labs I like -- I wish you the best of luck with your own preferences.
How is it pathetic?
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And, I am 100% open regarding working for Pharmacom, being a LONG time customer (customer for years before ever working with them), have personally sent multiple anonymous samples for analytic testing, and having enjoyed great personal results using their products.
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I think it is pathetic that one low blood test result is all the evidence some of you feel is enough to prove a claim.
Anyone can make am innocent mistake with dosages or some may reverse scam on purpose.
I will not repeat all the reasons why one blood work from one person means very little in regards to a judgment of an entire batch of products.
Instead, I will use your own logic -- I have seen very good bloodwork results; therefore, one good bloodwork result PROVES all products are perfect.
Therefore, according to your way of thinking, if we can find just one good bloodwork (it does not even matter why or how the number on the lab result was achieved), it is proof the products are good (See how ridiculous your logic sounds).
Oh and please show me all the other complaints / poor bloodwork results, and/or analytic testing for the disappointing batch since thousands of other customers would have received vials from said batch.
I am on most English speaking boards so feel free to PM me links to any other board as well where I may find the other disappointed customers that purchased from this batch.
@rpbb
I have been wracking my brain trying to think of what could be going on (I genuinely care and I assume the customer is being honest so I am confused because I know the product is NOT underdosed but I also believe the customer).
I have not yet had a chance to catch up on the other thread but
the user mixing up a vial of prop and thinking it was a enanth sounds like a very reasonable explanation.
