Primo: risk-reward profile... is it 'conspicuous consumption' or does it really only 'shine' with long-term use?

[xrayphoton13]

I wish I could find some! One source told me raws have been unavailable for a long time… I do have some injectable M-stem which makes a very potent preworkout.

Both primo and stenbolone are derivatives of DHB. The c2 methylation of stenbolone offers greater resistance to 3α-HSD1 than the c1 methylation of primobolan, which was added (originally to the acetate ester) to increase oral bioavailability; it does so with less toxicity than c17-methylation, but also reduces its potency.

The c2-methylation of DHB is analogous to masteron/drostanalone~DHT, while the c1-methylation is analogous to Proviron/mesterelone~DHT. Proviron is not anabolic in skeletal muscle so the c1-methylation is not an effective deterrent to 3α-HSD; whatever anabolism primobolan has is derived from the λ1-testosterone A-ring.

Aasraws has sten. It's base though so practically useless

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Aasraws has sten. It's base though so practically useless

Thanks for that, I wasn't aware. Agree as a base hormone there is little use for it, save for an androgen preworkout. I have some injectable M-sten (mislabelled Stenbolone Acetate from PSL, they credited me for it) and it it's pretty fantastic as a preworkout. I guess the Sten base could be used in the same way with less toxicity, but most base steroid hormones have poor solubility. If it needs guaiacol/EO to hold it, then definitely not worth it.

The M-sten I have doesn't seem to have guaiacol, at least from the smell. Not as sure about EO - guess I could always rub some on the outside of a syringe and see if it takes the marking off. I don't seem to be particularly sensitive to EO so not a big deal either way.

 

[brutalbuilt]

Name another steroid you can run at high doses and have absolutely no idea that you’re using them because the side effects are nonexistent. That’s the appeal of primo. 600mg feels approximately the same as 0mg in terms of sides. It was quite literally designed to have the most favorable side effect profile that could be achieved while still being efficacious.

If you want tren-like results then primo will disappoint you. But you also won’t go two months without sleep, sweat like a stuck pig all day, and give yourself dementia. The risk/reward is thus: the reward is the lack of risk.

primo makes you go bald... worst side effect ever

idk why people pretend that doesnt happen

 

[RockyP]

primo makes you go bald... worst side effect ever

idk why people pretend that doesnt happen

Likely because it doesnt happen to everyone. If you are prone to androgenic alopecia any steroid will get at your hair. I run primo and Mast and have no issues with hair whatsoever.

 

[brutalbuilt]

Likely because it doesnt happen to everyone. If you are prone to androgenic alopecia any steroid will get at your hair. I run primo and Mast and have no issues with hair whatsoever.

even if not prone it still causes shedding
especially if you blast high doses

 

[RockyP]

even if not prone it still causes shedding
especially if you blast high doses

That may be true. I’ve not found it necessary to go above 400 per week. I’m sure if you run anything high enough you’ll get some side effects.

 

[OldGHGuy]

Primos shortcoming is that it does not aromatjse and actually seems to work against estrogen. I'm assuming this is why Arnold stacked it with dianabol which is a high arkmatiser. The combination should be awesome. The go round my Primo levels should be peaking in but a week I'll add 50mgs dbol or possibly dbol/drol and drop the anavar and see how I like the synergy. Right now tho I'm somewhat disappointed in Primo. I see what it's doing, the magic isn't there for me yet. *yet*

Did you opinion ever change? How was stacking with Dbol?

 

[OldGHGuy]

I stay on 200 primo all year round and 200 test never use any ai don't need it

Still going on 200 test/200 primo?