Private Sources and Why They Aren't the Answer

[milky]

Unless you are buying enough gear to be a street dealer, this should not be a problem for you. Sure, if they get busted you'll be out some cash.... but LEO does not go out looking for all of a SRC's little customers. A good source will be deleting your info from his emails anyway.

Gotcha thank you for the help

 

[JCBricks]

Excellent post, CBS.

This is an important topic that needs to be discussed, especially member sourcing. I have stated before that private sources aren't guaranteed to be any better in terms of product quality than open labs unless their products are being tested, which is most likely not happening.

The notion that private labs are better than open labs when it comes to product quality is a myth. Is there any proof for this? Making a blanket statement like this absent of any evidence isn't up to par with the standards of Meso. It shows a lack of critical thinking.

A common defense of the idea that 'private = better' that I see posted on the forums is that some feel that servicing a smaller clientele equates to a better quality product, since the source doesn't have to cut corners to meet demand.

This might be true for other businesses, but as @Millard Baker pointed out, the manufacturing process isn't usually the reason why UGL's send out poor products, it's their lack of testing.

Member sourcing....I've been outspoken about this issue. I hate it. It sucks. It makes all of us look bad.

It amazes me that members are so eager to support or use these guys. You are all members of this board, and if you care about this board you should also care about its integrity. I absolutely agree that this ridiculous double standard does immense harm to the credibility and integrity of Meso.

Good stuff,Thanks

 

[Thesecretman]

Remember before you consider a private source just bear in mind that a Jew may have used his big nose to mix the gear. So it could be seriously contaminated.

 

[greenddog1]

Remember before you consider a private source just bear in mind that a Jew may have used his big nose to mix the gear. So it could be seriously contaminated.

Really? Are you 12 years old? Get a life, better yet, just end yours.

 

[double-leg]

Most guys are laying low . Cause of all the bust going on

 

[Loperdk]

To state that private sources are delivering a better quality product than public sources is extremely misleading when your standard of comparison is the inexperienced, bottom-of-the-barrel startup public UGLs that no ever heard of until they spammed MESO.

Private vs public is an interesting debate. I think many feel safer with a private bc they dont think a public/advertised is legit. Are the ones on meso legit Millard?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Private vs public is an interesting debate. I think many feel safer with a private bc they dont think a public/advertised is legit. Are the ones on meso legit Millard?

No..

 

[Loperdk]

No..

Even though I was being a tad rhetorical I don't get the public vs private ugl sourcing that Millard was making. Maybe I was misinterpreting him wrong.

 

[Supermansson11]

There's still a hand full of great private sources our there that r deff.kept on the low.with none to less than 1% of info.about them on boards.

 

[finacat]

have yet to find a non private source come anywhere near my private ones - but maybe thats just me lol

 

[vanda3]

PRivate or public, big or small, they all seem to be hit or miss. Right now I'm having good luck with a small public source.
I'm constantly looking for my next src, for when my current guy goes down hill or closes shop.
I've got a small list of src's on standby for when the time comes.

I agree , they are hit or miss I might be starting to supply some time after October or November just to see how it goes. I have never done that before but I did mail home for myself 6 boxes of test-e and proviron and clomid without a problem using local Thai mail so I was thinking on doing it more but I am not sure yet if it would be worth it but I will be able to try it after october.

 

[bickel29]

I agree , they are hit or miss I might be starting to supply some time after October or November just to see how it goes. I have never done that before but I did mail home for myself 6 boxes of test-e and proviron and clomid without a problem using local Thai mail so I was thinking on doing it more but I am not sure yet if it would be worth it but I will be able to try it after october.

You should contact one of the currently operating UGL's here and see if they have any summer internships available, to allow you to further acclimate yourself to the business.

 

[vanda3]

ok thank you

 

[Brian77]

There's been a lot of interest in private sources lately, especially from new members who believe private sources have something public sources don't. The belief that private sources produce higher quality products because they have special access to the best Chinese raw steroid powder suppliers is widespread, but unsupported. And the truth is, nothing could be further from the truth. But people tend to want that which they cannot have. Believing the grass is always greener on the other side is human nature.

When Stretch started Biologic, he used the brilliant marketing strategy of only opening to new customers every few months. This strategy drove interest in Bio through the roof. It became like Studio 54 where everybody wanted in but only the lucky few made it. Those that did get in were just happy to be there, and not wanting to jeopardize their membership in an exclusive club, tended to remain silent when they encountered problems.

Private sources do offer some advantages over public sources - things like better and more personalized service, less likely to be overwhelmed by sales volume provided they limit the number of customers and don't succumb to greed, and possibly less chance of getting scammed outright, although there are still no guarantees that won't happen. What private sources don't have is better quality gear than established public sources. Private sources are small operations that lack the means to test their raw powders and finished product. The gear is usually made in a kitchen by an amateur without training in chemistry or sterility. But the biggest problem with private sources is that when they have problems such as underdosed or bunk gear, the complaints are never aired in public. This makes it difficult for prospective customers to properly evaluate the source.

Big public sources are in a far better position than private sources to influence Chinese suppliers to provide high quality raws simply because of the large quantities they purchase. They have the means to test the raws, but unfortunately, that's an area that still needs improvement. And they are better equipped to handle larger sales volume without letting it affect product quality. But the biggest advantage public sources offer customers is that their complaints are posted openly.

None of this is to say that public sources are inherently better than private sources. But just because a source is private doesn't mean the quality of their product is superior, either. There are no magic sources with special access to raw powder. At the end of the day, both public and private sources are selling exactly same thing - UGL quality gear.

The Steroid Underground's mission is to educate members about the steroid black market, and provide an uncensored forum where members can discuss sources. What it was never meant to be is an AAS sales platform. There has been an improvement recently in that public sourcing has declined and is being discouraged by members. Unfortunately, this has had the unfortunate effect of increasing the number of private and member sources.

The increasing frequency with which private sources are operating on Meso is becoming a problem and it's hurting the credibility of the board. Meso is about full disclosure. But private sources, by their very nature, cannot be discussed openly, and their presence is undermining the purpose of the forum. Even when these private sources are openly discussed, especially when the private sources is a member, their customers are usually friends with them and very reluctant to criticize them.

Personally, I don't have a problem with members using private sources. What members do is their own business. But anyone that professes to care about the credibility of this forum should be very concerned that there are more and more secret/private sources setting up shop here that can't be discussed. We've done a good job moving Meso away from being a public sourcing forum, while still being able to discuss our experiences with sources. But we need to do a better job with the private and member sources. If Meso is to remain credible, then private, and particularly member sourcing must be discouraged. A good place to start is by encouraging new members to stop chasing phantoms; to teach them that private sources aren't necessarily the best sources, or even good sources. They're just sources that cannot be openly discussed, and as such, have no business soliciting on Meso. The best means of ensuring quality from any source is by actively encouraging sources to test their product, not turning to private sources that rely on subjective reports. Either Meso is going to be a forum for members to OPENLY discuss their experience with ALL sources or it isn't, It's in the members hands to decide.

Regards

CBS

I have to agree with everything CBS has to say. I have also been noticing what appears to be less public sources visible on Meso and more underhanded practices going on such as Auctions, and Members who have all of a sudden have a stake in a private lab. I don't think it makes a difference wether you buy from a private source or a public source, everyone needs to realize its all done by the same unscrupulous money hungry people. My sources for me personally are private, but do I trust them 100%? Hell no I don't! There are some perks to having a private source domestically compared to having to order from some source that takes 3 to 4 weeks to get you your gear to you because they are overseas, but honestly thats it! Wether they are private or public they don't care about your health, they don't care about the science in bodybuilding or sports for that matter all they are concerned about is the almighty dollar. Whoever you decide to order from wether public, private or some gymrat, just make sure you understand there is no guarantee on quality or anything else because of a conceived perception that one is better than the other, just be careful guys. And if your real lucky you can fill your Test at the pharmacy then you don't have to worry about it..

I have just now started my first cycle. Little did I know when I researched the brand Dlabs up off the label of the test e250 you can order them online. Looking for some advice here. Can't find anything about Dlabs on whether it's real but in a way how can you sell real steroids online??? Hoping they do work and I was only up charged a lot more.

 

[bickel29]

I have just now started my first cycle. Little did I know when I researched the brand Dlabs up off the label of the test e250 you can order them online. Looking for some advice here. Can't find anything about Dlabs on whether it's real but in a way how can you sell real steroids online??? Hoping they do work and I was only up charged a lot more.

I am a little confused, Brian. Did you buy this Dlabs stuff locally, and then search the name on line? You sound surprised that the bottle you have in hand can also be bought through someone on line - so is it something you picked up in person?

This especially sounds like the case since you seem to be saying you paid a lot more than what you are seeing it online for.

 

[Brian77]

I am a little confused, Brian. Did you buy this Dlabs stuff locally, and then search the name on line? You sound surprised that the bottle you have in hand can also be bought through someone on line - so is it something you picked up in person?

This especially sounds like the case since you seem to be saying you paid a lot more than what you are seeing it online for.

Exactly what happened. Bought them in person thinking these weren't able to be bought online. However, I researched them and found it online. Curious to know what's your opinion on this? Are they still good to use or should I look else where?

 

[bickel29]

Exactly what happened. Bought them in person thinking these weren't able to be bought online. However, I researched them and found it online. Curious to know what's your opinion on this? Are they still good to use or should I look else where?

Sounds like most likely you're dealer buys these from the lab, and then resells them on the street (very common).

Under that scenario, then you probably paid "a fair price" for them, despite the fact that you probably feel like you got ripped off since you now see approx what your dealer's profit is.

But consider this - your street guy took a lot of risks you didn't have to. He sent payment to the source. He risked having the stuff delivered to him. He is the one that has a list of clients that could rat on him. He is the one driving around with his inventory in his car. Etc, etc.

Gym prices/street prices are significantly higher than the price you can order it for online. If you are willing to assume the risks, then order it online. The great, great majority of members here do. But there are risks.

Now, as far as "are they still good to use?" -- they are no more of a risk to use than if you had bought them online yourself. Bottom line, they were brewed/packaged in a less than professional laboratory environment, so there is always some risk of dirty gear, if that's what you're asking.

 

[B-Irons]

Thanks for posting.

 

[jakepowder]

impressive article

 

[Tripple]

Wow...nice read...now if the wife would stop getting pissed at me because I'm spending to much time online