yeh i don't necessarily like stepping into this forum anymore
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yeh i don't necessarily like stepping into this forum anymore
FuriousWO
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I'll say it again, we get these shitty sources and scammers because it's free. Want to have a baseline of weeding out the shitty scammers right away, charge to setup. The SCOC is awesome but it's ultimately unverifiable. It's easy enough to pull some pictures together with MS that don't show 99% purity. But those two ideas separately help but together they are much better.
The whole point is that this board is uncensored. Who are any of you to make the decision who gets to post here and who doesn't?
If you don't think a source is worth your time, then stop giving it to them. Stop arguing with them about shit. Everyone say their peace and then stop posting in the topics and giving certain source more exposure. Be smart.
If you start deleting threads posted by sources then the members are just going to post an Astro or Mikestrong or whatever lab thread. Then that source is going to answer questions in the thread just like now, including price lists or whatever else. Or you have to start censoring some of their posts depending on the content.
Who's going to make that determination? I don't trust any of you and none of you should trust me. I trust only my own judgement. I trust myself to read all the information I can find, whether thats from customers or the source itself, and then make a decision using that information. No one here should get to say what information is relevant to me making that decision.
If you don't think a source is worth your time, then stop giving it to them. Stop arguing with them about shit. Everyone say their peace and then stop posting in the topics and giving certain source more exposure. Be smart.
If you start deleting threads posted by sources then the members are just going to post an Astro or Mikestrong or whatever lab thread. Then that source is going to answer questions in the thread just like now, including price lists or whatever else. Or you have to start censoring some of their posts depending on the content.
Who's going to make that determination? I don't trust any of you and none of you should trust me. I trust only my own judgement. I trust myself to read all the information I can find, whether thats from customers or the source itself, and then make a decision using that information. No one here should get to say what information is relevant to me making that decision.
FuriousWO
New Member
There is the catch-22
Notits
Well-known Member
I agree with you to a point furious.
I can see where charging a fee to source here could weed out the idiots like Raccoon. However It seems to me that once a source has paid to be here, we now are one step closer if not already at the point payment is accepted - a source board. Dangerous territory from what I see of other source boards. Lines get blurred, alliances become convoluted everywhere else, why would it be different here? Bottom line, you end up with people in control of the board accepting money from people who have proven to have no regard for their customers - breeding grounds for huge problems IMO.
Just like @johnyballz said "how do we get smarter members?" SCOC or not those that have come here and complied and those that haven't all gave us the exact same results in the end. The SCOC provided us no safety, you are dealing in the black market - no oversight. To the same end, more oversight has never led to anything more than corruption.
FuriousWO
New Member
It comes back to the same thing every time. If we want to solve this problem, the solution is simple don't allow sources to sell here. Everything else is a half measure
You hit on the biggest impediment with that one. Before this thread, I always assumed Meso members were bright enough to "get it." After some of the responses, I'm not so sure anymore.
Casca
Member
If I may, as soon as the SCOC was developed(obviously with good intentions), it was an INVITE in their eyes, as sources go. Get all my ducks in a row, meet the criteria that is specified within the SCOC to Meso, now I can source here. It was inevitable. New sources were cattled to the SCOC daily.
Voltrader
New Member
Damn what have you guys been doing all weekend. Go enjoy the time of year. @johnnyBALLZ now you see what I was talking about a week or two ago. Exhausting.
FuriousWO
New Member
Kinda curious what was the big controversy before sources were on here? Was it allowing sources to be on here? I'm going to venture that it's was either "let's allow sources" or there wasn't any. Now we have members calling other members stupid (yeah that's you cbs) because they don't agree with them. This is a source of much angst with the community here in my short time, is it worth it?
In my opinion no it isnt
In my opinion no it isnt
dmt31
New Member
I haven't been here long, nor do I have the history in this game to really make many blanket statements. I'll share my observations and you can take them for what it's worth:
I think you guys, well some of you at least, are sort of missing some of the bigger issues that are the cause of a lot of the problems here. For some reason there is this idea that sources should have the same feelings and the same goals as we, the consumers, have. This is just not the case, and really never will be. A source is in business to make money, as much as of it as they can, and more times than not as quickly as they can. Period. If you have any thoughts of anything to the contrary you need to do some real thinking on the topic. If people are buying my product, why the fuck would I change what I'm doing to pander to a couple of disgruntled forum members? That makes 0 fucking sense. Would it be nice if a source would do the right thing by us, the consumers, every step of the way? Obviously. Is that ever going to happen? No, obviously not. We need to get out of the mindset of the source owing us something. They don't. They're in business to sell drugs, just like any other drug dealer. Simple supply and demand. They set the market, and operate how they want, and really don't owe us shit. it's our job as the consumer to do our research, do our testing, and try to find the best source we can. It's impossible to keep a source accountable. If they don't want to do the right thing, do you really think flaming them on a forum is going to change that?
As long as this forum is not moderated (which is the biggest reason I ever joined here and started to participate) there will always be sources, we all agree on that right? The issue is, the sources that come here are generally just nickel dick home brewers, who just started brewing and have barely run 2 cycles in their entire lives. They have no background in drug dealing, business, or steroids. They come here, because it is unmoderated, there is a huge customer base of rabid steroid users, and it's easy to make money for them. They have no history, and there will always be people stupid enough to "give the new guy a chance". I have been guilty of this myself in the past, so I know.
SCOC or not, this will continue to happen, over and over and over again.
Meso isn't the only show in town, never has been, never will be. It's the most honest place to speak about steroids, that is for sure, and that's what makes it different from the sponsored boards. If you don't want sources here, I'm sorry to tell you, without moderation that will never happen. And quite frankly, it shouldn't. If people want to peddle their garbage here, how can you stop them? Post over and over again how they're shitty and selling garbage because they didn't follow a code of conduct? That seems slightly counter productive. If you have any honest conversations with any sources from other boards the same thing comes up every time I've every brought up Meso. And I'm referring to good sources, who've been around, who have testing and history to prove they are good sources (whatever a good source is these days at least): They all say, why deal with the hassle? There are so many other sites with comparable traffic or more traffic than Meso, and no headache from people getting up in arms and trying to ruin my business before having the whole truth. They want me to jump through hoops to sell them illegal substances, why the fuck would I do that?
Honestly, they're right. If I'm a source who is in good standing, has good product, and has a strong customer base, why sell on Meso? What is my upside? If I make a single mistake, I'll be raked over the coals for weeks and weeks, and poof, my business is gone. To me that is the bigger issue. Instead of making it harder for people to source here, which they are clearly going to do regardless, why not try to develop relationships with the reputable sources and give the members here who spend their hard earned money and time in this community a better opportunity at running a good cycle, not getting scammed by some idiot who cooks in his kitchen, and a better understanding of how this game is played?
I've been here 2 months as an active member and probably 5 or 6 months lurking. In that time I couldn't even begin to name the amount of bullshit, no name, first home brew, sources who have come and gone. I'm sure you guys see it too, as it's mentioned quite frequently. Wouldn't it just be better for everyone here to figure out a way to get decent sources here, stop fucking around with the startup's who inevitably crack under the pressure, and create a space where we are all more comfortable and way less combative in every single thread?
It's a source board, just like pretty much every AAS related board is. That weird ideal some of you guys are clinging onto is really not based in any sort of reality. If you want an unsourced board, than you need moderators banging away at source posts. There is no other way. Short of that, this is and will continue to be a source board. So if that's the case, why not make it the best possible source forum? Why not only have the best of the best here? Why scare away some of the great sources/resellers out there who actually have decent product?
IDK, just my thoughts. Hope I didn't offend anybody, that wasn't my intent.
I think you guys, well some of you at least, are sort of missing some of the bigger issues that are the cause of a lot of the problems here. For some reason there is this idea that sources should have the same feelings and the same goals as we, the consumers, have. This is just not the case, and really never will be. A source is in business to make money, as much as of it as they can, and more times than not as quickly as they can. Period. If you have any thoughts of anything to the contrary you need to do some real thinking on the topic. If people are buying my product, why the fuck would I change what I'm doing to pander to a couple of disgruntled forum members? That makes 0 fucking sense. Would it be nice if a source would do the right thing by us, the consumers, every step of the way? Obviously. Is that ever going to happen? No, obviously not. We need to get out of the mindset of the source owing us something. They don't. They're in business to sell drugs, just like any other drug dealer. Simple supply and demand. They set the market, and operate how they want, and really don't owe us shit. it's our job as the consumer to do our research, do our testing, and try to find the best source we can. It's impossible to keep a source accountable. If they don't want to do the right thing, do you really think flaming them on a forum is going to change that?
As long as this forum is not moderated (which is the biggest reason I ever joined here and started to participate) there will always be sources, we all agree on that right? The issue is, the sources that come here are generally just nickel dick home brewers, who just started brewing and have barely run 2 cycles in their entire lives. They have no background in drug dealing, business, or steroids. They come here, because it is unmoderated, there is a huge customer base of rabid steroid users, and it's easy to make money for them. They have no history, and there will always be people stupid enough to "give the new guy a chance". I have been guilty of this myself in the past, so I know.
SCOC or not, this will continue to happen, over and over and over again.
Meso isn't the only show in town, never has been, never will be. It's the most honest place to speak about steroids, that is for sure, and that's what makes it different from the sponsored boards. If you don't want sources here, I'm sorry to tell you, without moderation that will never happen. And quite frankly, it shouldn't. If people want to peddle their garbage here, how can you stop them? Post over and over again how they're shitty and selling garbage because they didn't follow a code of conduct? That seems slightly counter productive. If you have any honest conversations with any sources from other boards the same thing comes up every time I've every brought up Meso. And I'm referring to good sources, who've been around, who have testing and history to prove they are good sources (whatever a good source is these days at least): They all say, why deal with the hassle? There are so many other sites with comparable traffic or more traffic than Meso, and no headache from people getting up in arms and trying to ruin my business before having the whole truth. They want me to jump through hoops to sell them illegal substances, why the fuck would I do that?
Honestly, they're right. If I'm a source who is in good standing, has good product, and has a strong customer base, why sell on Meso? What is my upside? If I make a single mistake, I'll be raked over the coals for weeks and weeks, and poof, my business is gone. To me that is the bigger issue. Instead of making it harder for people to source here, which they are clearly going to do regardless, why not try to develop relationships with the reputable sources and give the members here who spend their hard earned money and time in this community a better opportunity at running a good cycle, not getting scammed by some idiot who cooks in his kitchen, and a better understanding of how this game is played?
I've been here 2 months as an active member and probably 5 or 6 months lurking. In that time I couldn't even begin to name the amount of bullshit, no name, first home brew, sources who have come and gone. I'm sure you guys see it too, as it's mentioned quite frequently. Wouldn't it just be better for everyone here to figure out a way to get decent sources here, stop fucking around with the startup's who inevitably crack under the pressure, and create a space where we are all more comfortable and way less combative in every single thread?
It's a source board, just like pretty much every AAS related board is. That weird ideal some of you guys are clinging onto is really not based in any sort of reality. If you want an unsourced board, than you need moderators banging away at source posts. There is no other way. Short of that, this is and will continue to be a source board. So if that's the case, why not make it the best possible source forum? Why not only have the best of the best here? Why scare away some of the great sources/resellers out there who actually have decent product?
IDK, just my thoughts. Hope I didn't offend anybody, that wasn't my intent.
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Voltrader
New Member
No offense but we know you are one of the ones that snuggle up to sources in the private and that is ok it is your prerogative. That is not Meso's true intent though it has been obvious since day one you have been here you don't get that. I don't need a source here with tenure I know who they are and the last place I want them to open shop is here. A hassle for them to be here maybe.....but being held accountable is what they really don't like.
dmt31
New Member
That's a pretty big shot to take at me man. I respect you, but I have heard what you're accusing me of about you, but I didn't know you were going to take it there. Because if you mean acting like a human being, having proper conversations, and trying to sort things out in a reasonable non-aggressive manner, then yes, guilty as charged. If you're referring to something else, you're sadly mistaken. If you have something to say to me, you can contact me and we can talk about it.
Other than that... Meso's true intent can be whatever you guys want it to be, or say it is. Your intentions and the reality of the situation are not in line, so again, you might need to reconsider your idealistic view of this site. You can't wish things into reality. You deal with what's in front of you and try to improve on it. You're going to have your opinion, and maybe one day, you'll figure out a way to make your wish a reality, but that day is not today.
I rest my case.
FuriousWO
New Member
Don't know what your deal is but I'm finished with speaking at you
Big Mike
Member
Brothers the fighting and bickering needs to stop, it only creates division. We (we all) are Meso and we all need to come together as such in order to make our board better or improve it.
With that being said, we must understand that as long as Meso is an uncensored board, there will be sourcing. Theres no way around it. The only way to change that is to vote in censorship. I have read some great recommendations for change and or improvement on both ends from good bros. So again let's come together and brainstorm on how to become better, improve or remain the same.
Respect,
Big Mike
With that being said, we must understand that as long as Meso is an uncensored board, there will be sourcing. Theres no way around it. The only way to change that is to vote in censorship. I have read some great recommendations for change and or improvement on both ends from good bros. So again let's come together and brainstorm on how to become better, improve or remain the same.
Respect,
Big Mike
Voltrader
New Member
Good enough I wasn't accusing you of
anything all I have is perception based
off some of your posts. I said no offense sinceYou caveated your first statement figured I could get away with it too...Sorry.
dmt31
New Member
Really? So this wasn't an accusation?
Maybe I don't understand the meaning of 'accusing' or 'perception' then...
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