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Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground
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dmt31
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@pumpingiron22 @johnnyBALLZ done and done
I like it.! MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Voltrader
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Ok you changed your avi . I completely apologize to dmt31i could of been off base and uncalled for. Your avatars change speaks volumes as far as solidarity is co concerned. Look if We all don't play for the same team we are screwed. Ok I am out of the underground at least to the new year class of 2013 has tried. Looking forward to reading what you guys want to do with place.
Abuckeye
New Member
I know that I haven't been here long enough to conclude an informed opinion. I've just begun to scratch the surface compared to the likes of you WKM discussing this topic.
I came here looking for an education on the subject of AAS. I have found that I can obtain a Doctorate Degree here than to be polluted by bro-science research on other sites. Everything here is always contested and the science here is backed up by facts or there is community based research being compiled to find the facts. This is a Community where each and every member can be heard and that never should change or what would be the point.
It seems as the SCOC gives each member a document to throw in the face of a convoluted scammer. It has given me a voice in the my short tenure to let any person that sees the thread of a shit lab how I perceive him or his products. When I see a Brutus or WKM who knows his shit telling a new source to abide by the SCOC or get the fuck out of here it reinforces to everyone viewing that thread that this source hasn't been cleared to sell. Now if they do manage to get by the SCOC it has to be up to the members experience, reviews, and bloodwork to stop the source not the SCOC (example Mike Strong).
MESO in my opinion is the best of the fucking best. If we're going to have sources sell here then they should be the best of the fucking best. Nobody wants to impose censorship so why not improve what we already have. The question to answer if you are going to allow those to source here is how do you enforce the source to abide by our morals. I suggest a deposit of money. An absurd amount that no average asshole can manage. The deposit would be held for the entire occupancy of the source on MESO. The money would be held for purposes of insurance. If a member or members get a bad batch, gets an infection, or the source doesn't hold up to any part of the bargain the source can lose the deposit to the said member or members who were abused. They should be compensated accordingly. Should there be any left over then Millard Baker obtains it for whatever non personal gain he decides. I know there would be a lot of questions to answer about who handles the deposit, the legality of the person holding the deposit ETC ETC.
Logically you think there wouldn't be a soul that would sign up for a deposit of say $10,000 to source here but isn't that what most want is no sources here. If there was a source that deposited the cash he would make damn sure that his ducks were in a row and that he quacked like a MESO duck should.
This does sound like a far fetched idea but In my eyes a source that could be held accountable is the perfect situation for a buyer to be in.
I came here looking for an education on the subject of AAS. I have found that I can obtain a Doctorate Degree here than to be polluted by bro-science research on other sites. Everything here is always contested and the science here is backed up by facts or there is community based research being compiled to find the facts. This is a Community where each and every member can be heard and that never should change or what would be the point.
It seems as the SCOC gives each member a document to throw in the face of a convoluted scammer. It has given me a voice in the my short tenure to let any person that sees the thread of a shit lab how I perceive him or his products. When I see a Brutus or WKM who knows his shit telling a new source to abide by the SCOC or get the fuck out of here it reinforces to everyone viewing that thread that this source hasn't been cleared to sell. Now if they do manage to get by the SCOC it has to be up to the members experience, reviews, and bloodwork to stop the source not the SCOC (example Mike Strong).
MESO in my opinion is the best of the fucking best. If we're going to have sources sell here then they should be the best of the fucking best. Nobody wants to impose censorship so why not improve what we already have. The question to answer if you are going to allow those to source here is how do you enforce the source to abide by our morals. I suggest a deposit of money. An absurd amount that no average asshole can manage. The deposit would be held for the entire occupancy of the source on MESO. The money would be held for purposes of insurance. If a member or members get a bad batch, gets an infection, or the source doesn't hold up to any part of the bargain the source can lose the deposit to the said member or members who were abused. They should be compensated accordingly. Should there be any left over then Millard Baker obtains it for whatever non personal gain he decides. I know there would be a lot of questions to answer about who handles the deposit, the legality of the person holding the deposit ETC ETC.
Logically you think there wouldn't be a soul that would sign up for a deposit of say $10,000 to source here but isn't that what most want is no sources here. If there was a source that deposited the cash he would make damn sure that his ducks were in a row and that he quacked like a MESO duck should.
This does sound like a far fetched idea but In my eyes a source that could be held accountable is the perfect situation for a buyer to be in.
Big Mike
Member
Man, the more I read, the more I love this place!!!
Merry Christmas brothers!!!
Big Mike
Merry Christmas brothers!!!
Big Mike
No shit it is exhausting. I've been MIA for awhile because of it, and I'm nowhere near the presence on this board as you.
Abuckeye
New Member
I think we're all getting caught up in describing whether MESO is starting to resemble a source forum or not. That is not the real issue we should be discussing. The real issue is why so many members WANT it to be a source forum.
The MESO Steroid Underground was NOT designed to be a "source forum". Many forums are specifically designed with the intent of being a source forum. MESO was not. This has been emphasized again and agin.
MESO members have been given the opportunity to use this platform to make the forum something so much more than that.
For whatever reasons (and we can only speculate what they are), some members REALLY REALLY want to make it a source forum. It baffles me why so many are intent on doing this.
Thank you @flenser. There some important points that I have not been able to communicate effectively. You have succinctly and clear made this one
Exactly. I would rather the direction of this forum be community-driven with open discussion and debate about issues such as these.
Is a "big brother" approach something the community really wants? Or is the community willing to put in the work to make MESO something special.
No. It's about telling you and other members. It's about dialogue and debate. And deciding what's best for the community.
After reading some of Mr. Bakers posts It wholeheartedly changed my opinion. As a community we have allowed sources in MESO. If this site got shut down for illegal reasons that were not envisioned by its creator then we as a community completed that task of getting the site shut down by not following suit. It's obvious that we fucked up and let the sources in. It's a cesspool of assholes trying to get a few dollars out of anything they can. We as a community should fix this because we have initiated the dismantling of this site by wanting to obtain gear here. If MESO got shut down today where could you go for the gods honest truth!!!!
weighted chinup
Well-known Member
I never really got the vibe from his posts that Meso being shut down / raided / whatever was the principle concern with the direction the underground was going.
The problem isn't really that there could be legal problems because of the direction members are taking it, the issue is WHY members want to take it in that direction.
This thread did a lot of things successfully, it started an important discussion, but it also highlighted a very important issue -
That important issue is that a lot of the suggestions I have seen presented in response to the OP are just more streamlined ways for Meso to get better quality sources or better ways/methods to vet sources. The eagerness to make Meso a better sales platform is the issue. Why do guys want this?
Whats the point of being given an uncensored community driven platform if we are just going to use it to help facilitate better drug transactions. There are a lot of other boards designed for that, and the model those boards have in regards to sources is more likely to attract 'serious' sources. After all, you have to actually pay to get on those sites.
The problem isn't really that there could be legal problems because of the direction members are taking it, the issue is WHY members want to take it in that direction.
This thread did a lot of things successfully, it started an important discussion, but it also highlighted a very important issue -
That important issue is that a lot of the suggestions I have seen presented in response to the OP are just more streamlined ways for Meso to get better quality sources or better ways/methods to vet sources. The eagerness to make Meso a better sales platform is the issue. Why do guys want this?
Whats the point of being given an uncensored community driven platform if we are just going to use it to help facilitate better drug transactions. There are a lot of other boards designed for that, and the model those boards have in regards to sources is more likely to attract 'serious' sources. After all, you have to actually pay to get on those sites.
Abuckeye
New Member
That is just my opinion of what could happen. I didn't interpret Mr. Baker as trying to relay this. From my perception though some of the community wants to have better sources here at MESO. It wasn't designed to be conducted in that manner says Mr. Baker. Another part of the community wants to rid sources for the greater good. I agree for more than one reason that sources shouldn't be allowed.
You are correct its not the problem at hand but it could be a problem in the future. With all the transactions and shady shit going on now it's only a matter of time that someone gets busted or worst case scenario for everyone is that this site gets shutdown.
I'm glad CBS created this thread because the general consensus is something needs to be done about the path that it's taking now.
Damn I do love this place
You are correct its not the problem at hand but it could be a problem in the future. With all the transactions and shady shit going on now it's only a matter of time that someone gets busted or worst case scenario for everyone is that this site gets shutdown.
I'm glad CBS created this thread because the general consensus is something needs to be done about the path that it's taking now.
Damn I do love this place
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You hit the nail on the head..!!
I've been outspoken over the past few days and many people have misinterpreted my comments to mean there is some big change coming to MESO that includes more rules, more censorship or even the closing of the steroid underground subforum. I want to put some of those fears to rest.
The rules most likely won't change. The freedoms on this board will not change. There is no ultimatum to change behavior. There is no risk of censorship.
I simply want a dialogue to take place.
I want everyone to discuss how to make things better. It seems like members stopped critical thinking with the introduction of the SCOC.
We can do better and improve. Very few people have taken my repeated hints about the problems with the SCoC. I've noted my misgivings after its introduction. I am very happy to see this thread started! We need to critically examine the unintended consequences. Because as it is right now, do you know what it says to sources?
It says "Please please spam the forum. Pretty please. We are begging you to spam us. And if your sales pitch is good enough, you will be able to spam us forever and ever".
That's the last thing needed.
If there is a source code of conduct, maybe it should only include a single sentence:
"Sources are allowed to answer member questions and nothing else."
Or something along those lines.
And like I've always said, the SCOC includes some good questions. But these are questions for the CONSUMER to consider. Maybe they should be moved to a list of "Good questions consumers should ask about sources" thread.
Don't include them in some list of recommended guidelines for sources to use in a marketing pitch of "how to spam MESO" or "how to use MESO as a sales platform"
MESO members are under no obligation to help new sources get started. You are deceiving yourself when you convince yourself you are doing it for the primary benefit of the community. Admittedly, there may be some value. But really you are doing it for the primary benefit of the new source! You are the promoters who allow the start-up to break into the business.
There are also additional harm reduction considerations with new sources. I don't know how many of you have spent time in the recreational/party drug scene, but you never want to be the idiot who tries some unknown drug from an unknown source for the first time. You let other people do the drug first, observe them and see what happens. The consequences of a bad or contaminated drug could very serious or even life-threatening. It's the Darwin rule of harm reduction.
Don't be that idiot in the steroid world either. Granted, the consequences of using unknown steroids are not anywhere as serious. But the same principle applies.
Don't allow the lure of free gear to lead you to becoming that idiot either. Everyone knows that the greatest chance of scoring free gear is to target a new source with no history. Those sources are desperate to find people who will promote them and help them get started with a "review".
Some guys have it down to an art form. They will be "that idiot" for free gear all day long. The more new start-up sources, the more opportunities they have to score free gear. They are like ambulance chasers. A skilled operator may never have to pay for gear. But is that a good reason to encourage, invite and welcome new sources? Is it to the primary benefit of the few (individual) or in the best interest of the community?
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying as suggesting that source discussion or source participation will be censored. MESO has no interest in stifling speech on the topic. Censorship will not help.
MEMBERS need as much information as possible to make informed decisions about participating in the black market for AAS. Products, brands, prices, quality control, legal risks, etc. are important types of information. Anyone who has the answers to these questions whether it be a member or a source should be free to answer them.
However, it should be up to the members to ask the questions. Member-initiated. Community-driven.
These are my thoughts, my recommendations, my two cents. They are not rules. They are not ultimatums. They are not threats of censorship. Further, I reserve the right to change my mind on any of these issues.
My goal is merely to encourage discussion and debate - and critical thinking on how to make MESO the best harm reduction resource for those choosing to participate in the underground AAS market. I firmly believe that it involves promoting the forum as an information platform rather than a sales platform.
The rules most likely won't change. The freedoms on this board will not change. There is no ultimatum to change behavior. There is no risk of censorship.
I simply want a dialogue to take place.
I want everyone to discuss how to make things better. It seems like members stopped critical thinking with the introduction of the SCOC.
We can do better and improve. Very few people have taken my repeated hints about the problems with the SCoC. I've noted my misgivings after its introduction. I am very happy to see this thread started! We need to critically examine the unintended consequences. Because as it is right now, do you know what it says to sources?
It says "Please please spam the forum. Pretty please. We are begging you to spam us. And if your sales pitch is good enough, you will be able to spam us forever and ever".
That's the last thing needed.
If there is a source code of conduct, maybe it should only include a single sentence:
"Sources are allowed to answer member questions and nothing else."
Or something along those lines.
And like I've always said, the SCOC includes some good questions. But these are questions for the CONSUMER to consider. Maybe they should be moved to a list of "Good questions consumers should ask about sources" thread.
Don't include them in some list of recommended guidelines for sources to use in a marketing pitch of "how to spam MESO" or "how to use MESO as a sales platform"
MESO members are under no obligation to help new sources get started. You are deceiving yourself when you convince yourself you are doing it for the primary benefit of the community. Admittedly, there may be some value. But really you are doing it for the primary benefit of the new source! You are the promoters who allow the start-up to break into the business.
There are also additional harm reduction considerations with new sources. I don't know how many of you have spent time in the recreational/party drug scene, but you never want to be the idiot who tries some unknown drug from an unknown source for the first time. You let other people do the drug first, observe them and see what happens. The consequences of a bad or contaminated drug could very serious or even life-threatening. It's the Darwin rule of harm reduction.
Don't be that idiot in the steroid world either. Granted, the consequences of using unknown steroids are not anywhere as serious. But the same principle applies.
Don't allow the lure of free gear to lead you to becoming that idiot either. Everyone knows that the greatest chance of scoring free gear is to target a new source with no history. Those sources are desperate to find people who will promote them and help them get started with a "review".
Some guys have it down to an art form. They will be "that idiot" for free gear all day long. The more new start-up sources, the more opportunities they have to score free gear. They are like ambulance chasers. A skilled operator may never have to pay for gear. But is that a good reason to encourage, invite and welcome new sources? Is it to the primary benefit of the few (individual) or in the best interest of the community?
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying as suggesting that source discussion or source participation will be censored. MESO has no interest in stifling speech on the topic. Censorship will not help.
MEMBERS need as much information as possible to make informed decisions about participating in the black market for AAS. Products, brands, prices, quality control, legal risks, etc. are important types of information. Anyone who has the answers to these questions whether it be a member or a source should be free to answer them.
However, it should be up to the members to ask the questions. Member-initiated. Community-driven.
These are my thoughts, my recommendations, my two cents. They are not rules. They are not ultimatums. They are not threats of censorship. Further, I reserve the right to change my mind on any of these issues.
My goal is merely to encourage discussion and debate - and critical thinking on how to make MESO the best harm reduction resource for those choosing to participate in the underground AAS market. I firmly believe that it involves promoting the forum as an information platform rather than a sales platform.
dper726
Well-known Member
traitor!
dper726
Well-known Member
Moral of the story.......
Every lab goes to shit! 1 week (dunamis) 1 month (spetz) 10 years (karius) 10 years (mike strong) lifetime dick sucker (italian muscle)
Every lab goes to shit! 1 week (dunamis) 1 month (spetz) 10 years (karius) 10 years (mike strong) lifetime dick sucker (italian muscle)
xgunx
Well-known Member
Just a quick thought here but what about a forum for other source boards? Just uncensored reviews of all the sources and different "source boards". Something to this effect may have the ability to stop sourcing here and at the same time give members much more sources to choose from because their asses would not be censored here. Would take time to get going and we would still have scammers to ignore since we are uncensored. Maybe thats what meso was supposed to be anyhow. Anyways this was just a random thought before bed. Not that i am leaning either way YET.
Lol im referring to the underground, not meso as a whole
OdieM
Banned
In no way am I against what the "Awesome Members" are suggesting.lol I thought that Meso was trying to set a new standard for UGL. For example look at MS. He had been in business for a decade and with in 6 months the members here at Meso tested and found his gear to be shit and now his reputation is shot. I hate it for all parties involved that they had to be the quinnie pigs .I truly am sorry that they had to go through that but EVERYONE that goes through online drug dealers deals with this sooner or later. But with MS the reason all this happened is because we didn't make him follow the scoc. If the members would have done him like GEARLINE is being done then we would have know that his gear was shit before members even started buying.
I hear what y'all are saying. Every thursday. lol We get a new source pop up. But our members and scoc protect us. Look at what happened to Raccoon.
I also saw where it was posted on Astro's thread that he can no longer source here. I thought that we were for LONG time sources being good to sell here? I hate that it seems that we are going to let sources like Astro source behind closed doors and not in the open. How will we hold him accountable?
Anyways, I except what ever verdict that y'all decide.
I hear what y'all are saying. Every thursday. lol We get a new source pop up. But our members and scoc protect us. Look at what happened to Raccoon.
I also saw where it was posted on Astro's thread that he can no longer source here. I thought that we were for LONG time sources being good to sell here? I hate that it seems that we are going to let sources like Astro source behind closed doors and not in the open. How will we hold him accountable?
Anyways, I except what ever verdict that y'all decide.
I get Millard's point and i totally agree with what he is saying. I understand that we need this to not be a source board and leave it open to just reviewing sources. I also understand that some people only visit this board or use it as their main source of information for all things steroids. I guess that needs to change. So we should use other source boards and bounce questions off guys we trust here. I've been as guilty as anyone else about getting sucked into the source discussions here and wishing we had a few resident meso sources, but that is ultimately selfish i suppose and after reading Millard's posts i understand why that is probably not a good idea.
The biggest problem i have is navigating other boards without wanting to scoop my eyeballs out with a spoon. The crony bullshit, propped up fake reviews, and other issues make the other sites total cesspools. I know people have said this place is going to hell or getting out of control, but damn, it isn't even close. I guess that is why we need to keep things separate so it doesn't get like those other sites around here, or at least another good reason.
Anyway, message received. I will do my part to try not to drive the car off the cliff.
The biggest problem i have is navigating other boards without wanting to scoop my eyeballs out with a spoon. The crony bullshit, propped up fake reviews, and other issues make the other sites total cesspools. I know people have said this place is going to hell or getting out of control, but damn, it isn't even close. I guess that is why we need to keep things separate so it doesn't get like those other sites around here, or at least another good reason.
Anyway, message received. I will do my part to try not to drive the car off the cliff.
I like what pumping iron has been doing !! Source pop's up and we lay the rule down !! "You are not allowed to source here you can leave an email if you like that's all , thank you " ...If we stick to this we can change the culture may take time but it's possible ! Sources will source regardless and it's better it happens in private and not in the open where everyone blindly and happily sets there self up for LE! Let's let the discussion of these sources be what leads us in the right direction not the other way around !
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