Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground

[Big_paul]

I think a lot of guys agree with what cbs has said. I think the scoc was too ambitious. I think it should have been limited to testing and not attempting to control every detail.
That can't be done with this format.

 

[dredd09]

I've been reading this board for a long time, and one thing is clearly different here. Both the positive and negative get posted. Other memebers care about whether one another are scammed and whether safety of the group or individual is at risk. The are tons of places you can go and give your money over to sources.. What i see here is different. I don't think it's violation of anyone's attempt at free speech or fairness to make sources pay to stay. After all, were not the ones who stand to profit if legit, they are. Server costs, potential elimination of ad space, and this fee could pay for the testing done upon the compounds as well. Not a board sponsor, but someone who has put there money where their mouth is and has no motivation to endanger or run falsie games. Eliminate sources coming here and you eliminate one of the few places where caring what happens to others is at the top of priority list. Sure, some of these guys are money hungry dirtbags now...but if it cost you three or four hundred bucks to set up shop, they would stick to other easier to scam operations. Maybe the testing could be done semi annually at certain times of year, that way more bad batches of raws could potentially be caught before a fiasco.

 

[Moose]

The "Steroid Underground" forum is intended for members only to share good and bad experiences ordering anabolic steroids on the internet black market, to provide steroid source reviews, to share links and ask questions about third party websites selling steroids, to talk about underground labs (UGLs) and to report steroid

This is exactly what MESO's underground section used to be and what it should be again IMO. I was actually shocked to to see the change when I came back from a long hiatus. In my view the SCOC is ineffective and lends too much legitimacy to potential scammers who happen to be able to throw some pictures up and explain their brewing process. The only valuable tenant of the SCOC is mandate that a would be source test their raws and show proof of testing. The rest is of the SCOC is ineffective.

I by no means wish to insult the guys on here who have worked to create the SCOC and refine it- you guys had good intentions and I thank you for your efforts. However, the SCOC has taken us down the wrong path here at MESO.

 

[Millard]

But I for one, appreciate having uncensored access to my sources. This is the ONLY place I can do that. This is the ONLY place I can hold my sources accountable. And for that I am thankful.

The solution? @Millard Baker allow sourcing or don't. There is no middle ground IMO

Exactly. It's censorship vs. no censorship. At the same time, it doesn't mean the community should support or encourage the use of MESO as a sales platform.

Why not demand sources participate in the discussion and answer questions. For example, repackage the SCOC. The SCOC questions are good - just stop telling sources compliance will give them permission to use MESO as a sales platform. It shouldn't

 

[FuriousWO]

@FuriousWO and @bickel29 you've asked some legitimate questions. No disrepect taken. Free speech is a great thing.

I've answered versions of this question several times in the past but I don't think I could have responded better than @weighted chinup's posts above with an explanation. I am admittedly glad that some understand but I would never fault anyone for being critical. Thanks!

I'm glad because I truly love this place that you have built

 

[hotdog23]

Exactly. It's censorship vs. no censorship. At the same time, it doesn't mean the community should support or encourage the use of MESO as a sales platform.

Why not demand sources participate in the discussion and answer questions. For example, repackage the SCOC. The SCOC questions are good - just stop telling sources compliance will give them permission to use MESO as a sales platform. It shouldn't

I get that. Completely.

If ppl are allowed to buy and sell here. They will. Encouraged or discouraged

IMO prohibiting aas sales is not censorship. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If nothing changes, nothing changes IMO

 

[FuriousWO]

I do think we have confused who the freedom of speech is intended for at MESO. It's for us the community not the source. I still feel making a source pay to setup here AND meet the SCOC will weed out the dirtbag source that just make bathtub gear because WE the community have freedom of speech and it's easier to go run their scam somewhere else.
It's awesome we have each other's back, but letting people setup for free is in my opinion further exaggerates the problem of bad/dangerous gear.

 

[Burrr]

I like where this is heading. SRC's answering questions and being held accountable, but no product lists or price lists.

 

[dper726]

Here's how I look at it. And it's a simple solution because although you provide valid points there is still a flaw in the system but again the solution to settle this is simple....

Don't allow any kind of sourcing at all on meso.

Or

Scoc is nothing more then a regulation superior on quality assurance since after all there is no control of sales in the underground.

There is nothing in between this. Doesn't matter if you are a 10 year veteran compared to a 1 month ambitious entrepreneur. There is no greater goods protection. I think we do a great job with what we have although more can be done.

 

[dper726]

Ironically, some fellas here probably CAN NOT pay their bills BECAUSE of porn!

Paying for porn is quite prehistoric

 

[Big Mike]

Great input by all and by far my best read as a Meso member!

Everyone has valid points and we can go on and on and round about on the subject for years to come. However, it all boils down to one descison. The Debate should not be over the SCOC nor its effects, nor advertising, nor sources even. The true and only matter up for debate is as @Millard Baker just explained:

Censorship or NON Censorship


Respect,

Big Mike

 

[pumpingiron22]

Exactly. It's censorship vs. no censorship. At the same time, it doesn't mean the community should support or encourage the use of MESO as a sales platform.

Why not demand sources participate in the discussion and answer questions. For example, repackage the SCOC. The SCOC questions are good - just stop telling sources compliance will give them permission to use MESO as a sales platform. It shouldn't

BINGO! Millard hit the nail in the head.

 

[pumpingiron22]

It took me a while to figure this out. But here is goes. We should have healthy conversation about sources. Example if a source wants to join the conversation that is great! And they continue answer questions. But they should no be posting price list and what new item they have that week. Like a sales ad. If you want a price list or want to know where your item is. That is what your email is for. SIMPLE!
We need to make each thread our not there. And taking power away from sources. They can be involved to answer questions and thats it not to promote there selves!

 

[sgarbi]

Very good, I see very member who comes here just looking for sources, desperate, which only created profile to get a reliable supplier without adding anything to the forum, wanting only chewed information, many of us make mistakes too, and we were evolving, to get the knowledge that have today, I'm still early lol, but the guy is boring in here, and want all spoon-fed information.

 

[Oregongearhead]

Im sorry Millard , but when I look at the top header here , I see thinksteroids.com .
What I dont see is : go buy your steroids somewhere else and come back here to talk about them .....but dont buy them here . I dont see that . If it looks like a duck and quacks like one , its probably a duck . This IS a steroid sourcing site . ~Ogh

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Im sorry Millard , but when I look at the top header here , I see thinksteroids.com .
What I dont see is : go buy your steroids somewhere else and come back here to talk about them .....but dont buy them here . I dont see that . If it looks like a duck and quacks like one , its probably a duck . This IS a steroid sourcing site . ~Ogh

You look at thinksteroids.com and see buysteroids.com? How does a site with the stated goal of STEROID EDUCATION in any way imply a sales platform to you.

I'm amazed that so many of you guys that have been here as long as you have still don't get it. "Go buy your steroids somewhere else and come back here to talk about them" is EXACTLY what this forum is about. It always has been.

The very first thread in the steroid underground, which obviously almost no one has read, explicitly states the intended purpose of this forum.

"The "Steroid Underground" forum is intended for members only to share good and bad experiences ordering anabolic steroids on the internet black market, to provide steroid source reviews, to share links and ask questions about third party websites selling steroids, to talk about underground labs (UGLs) and to report steroid scammers."​

How anyone could read that paragraph and see a duck boggles the mind.

 

[FuriousWO]

CBS look at the banners. So yes I see buy steroids. And the purpose of the UG changed when we got sources in the UG. Some of us are turning a complete blind eye to this. So that conflicts completely with just talk about them when we have sources.

 

[Oregongearhead]

You look at thinksteroids.com and see buysteroids.com? How does a site with the stated goal of STEROID EDUCATION in any way imply a sales platform to you.

I'm amazed that so many of you guys that have been here as long as you have still don't get it. "Go buy your steroids somewhere else and come back here to talk about them" is EXACTLY what this forum is about. It always has been.

The very first thread in the steroid underground, which obviously almost no one has read, explicitly states the intended purpose of this forum.

"The "Steroid Underground" forum is intended for members only to share good and bad experiences ordering anabolic steroids on the internet black market, to provide steroid source reviews, to share links and ask questions about third party websites selling steroids, to talk about underground labs (UGLs) and to report steroid scammers."​

How anyone could read that paragraph and see a duck boggles the mind.

If just one person has bought steroids thru a source here , then its a source site . And there have been thousands of sells....its a duck

 

[FuriousWO]

What if a church website had porn banners on its homepage. You telling me the people that say we don't promote steroid sponsors would same the same about a church not promoting porn???

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

If just one person has bought steroids thru a source here , then its a source site . And there have been thousands of sells....its a duck

Applying your logic, if someone were to mention in the general forum that they're selling their car and another member buys it, does that makes Meso is a car dealership?

Or if someone is sells a copy of Duchaines Underground Steroid Handbook to another member, does that makes Meso a bookstore?

If that's all that is required to define Meso, Meso could be anything. Yet no one thinks Meso is a car dealership or a bookstore because that would be absurd. The logic you're using to define Meso as a source board is no less absurd.