Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground

[Big_paul]

How so? We have a guy on here with a leg infection and a handful with floaters in their vials. Every UGL is coming back with under dosed gear based on blood work.

Tell me again, how the fuck has the SCOC been effective again?

To date it was the only mechanism we have had to vet sources, and believe it or not, it did keep scammers out. It wasn't entirely effective though. The floaters and leg infection are proof of that.

Whats next? Because with out something in place things can get wild.

 

[pumpingiron22]

I like Turtles.

 

[bickel29]

To date it was the only mechanism we have had to vet sources, and believe it or not, it did keep scammers out. It wasn't entirely effective though. The floaters and leg infection are proof of that.

Whats next? Because with out something in place things can get wild.

This is not a defense of the SCOC, but keep in mind that the floaters and leg infection being referenced came from a source that was allowed to bypass the SCOC due to his tenure as a long time source. So the SCOC wasn't addressed by the source guilty of the above.

 

[Jruiz]

You know what I think ! Fuck the underground section ! This sub section I believe is beyond repair and me personally will stick around the more positive beneficial sub sections . all this arguing is leading us no where and that alone should be a sign that we can't change the malarkey that this section has turned into . From the kids with boners for any fly by labs to the totally irrelevant posts of guys that don't even squat or actually take nutrition and training seriously this bullshit isn't even worth my concern . All I'm seeing is solid brothers fighting for a pointless cause and I say just scratch this bullshit section. I find better sources far far away from meso so why even bother further incriminating our community with a bunch of useless garbage labs because if its not obvious Thats all we've had in the past couple of years. Would be Fucking great to share experiences on ugl but when and how are we gonna learn a productive and positive way to do this without having a nut sack completion ?

 

[Marcus]

There is no true way to tell if the SCOC is working or not. There is no control to this experiment and it would be absolutely impossible to have one, as its a social and economic experiment based in reality. We can't very well have some sources follow the code of conduct and others not (chosen at random of course) to see how effective the SCOC is actually being.

My first thought that is it acts as a deterrent for start-ups looking for a quick buck, which makes it a valuable tool to Meso members (this is of course if we keep the underground around altogether).

However, NONE of us are so naive not to believe 1 of 2 things: 1, there are ways around the SCOC. And 2, it is easy to bullshit your way through it. But if this small piece of the puzzle is keep the quick scams out, then what is the harm in using it? Does it really "encourage" more sources to come to Meso or sources to stay since they have been vetted?

It does seem like the only issues that arise, come about in the underground (for obvious reasons) and that might say something in itself about the direction the board should go in.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Seems like it's working at least decently to me... a few ug's are trying to step up there game and looking into mass specs and most of the bad ones get run off pretty quickly.

It seems like "it's working decently and a few ugl's are trying to step up their game," does it?

Dude, you've only been here for six weeks. See how well you think it's working when you've been here for six months and seen a couple of dozen ugl's blow through here and leave nothing but bunk gear, scams, infections, and threats in their wake. Until then...

 

[JackC4]

It seems like "it's working decently and a few ugl's are trying to step up their game," does it?

Dude, you've only been here for six weeks. See how well you think it's working when you've been here for six months and seen a couple of dozen ugl's blow through here and leave nothing but bunk gear, scams, infections, and threats in their wake. Until then...

This really hasn't happened since the code was put in place, really only 2 sources have mad it through I believe,Mike and Spetz.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

This really hasn't happened since the code was put in place, really only 2 sources have mad it through I believe,Mike and Spetz.

It's happened continuously. And the two sources you said made it through the SCOC both crashed and burned. Spetz is attempting a resurrection but that will be short lived.

 

[FuriousWO]

This really hasn't happened since the code was put in place, really only 2 sources have mad it through I believe,Mike and Spetz.

I consider made it thorough being able to post a price list and contact info. I guarantee that first post before the beatings begin is all they need to lure some in right away.

 

[Roc050]

Why isnt it that if a source wants to do businees here they must deal with the higher ups first, pass and comply with everything that asked by the WKMs pass all test before they are able to post on an open forum, maybe a section for new sources after they have complied with everything in the new section then they are cleared to do business in the underground and set up shop, just a thought

 

[xgunx]

Why isnt it that if a source wants to do businees here they must deal with the higher ups first, pass and comply with everything that asked by the WKMs pass all test before they are able to post on am open forum, maybe a section for bew sources

They would still need to comply with something. I have seen to many guys try to start up, get told about scoc and scram. What do you think they would have done with your money? If we had a new source forum then whats the old source forum? Sources are running wild, ms should not have gotten vetted in or used some fucking remailer like he was, astro should have been testing more, and spetz what can we say about good ole spetz lol.

 

[Roc050]

As far as the status of members, you shoud have to put your time in, being around and showing face for years and years, goes long way, not becoming a WKM in 3 momths, i dont respect that, i respect the guys that been here for years and continue to hep this forums and tech the knew guys the ropes of how MESO is ran and what makes it different and unique from the other forums.the guys that been here see all bullshit and scams that have come through here, thats what helps protects this forum, how does a 3 month WKM help a new guy and teach or give a heads up on anything, dont get me wrong even new guys have plenty of knowlege and things to share but the status levels ahould be based on time in not how many post or likes you recieve, the guys with time in should be ripping sources a new asswhole in a diferent section and once they pass that there are able to hit the underground for an open talk with all

 

[Roc050]

@xgunx i agree testing should have been done maybe every three months a source has to return back to the WKM garage for testing then after all is done then can return back to the underground, they make plenty of money here, they should complain about shit, follow the policy theres no negations it is what it is follow or get out, it keeps everyone honest

 

[Millard]

Why isnt it that if a source wants to do businees here they must deal with the higher ups first, pass and comply with everything that asked by the WKMs pass all test before they are able to post on an open forum, maybe a section for new sources after they have complied with everything in the new section then they are cleared to do business in the underground and set up shop, just a thought

Maybe because the higher ups didn't design it as a source forum that clears sources to do business?

 

[Roc050]

@Millard Baker, ok thats makes sense, im as new as the next guy here, but we cant ignore the fact that they are doing business here and proper adjustment need to be addressed and a source should follow a format with you guys, before entering the underground, i think what has been done here youve done a great job every program needs to be tweeked from time to time as new problems will always arise.
sorry i got nothing else to do today im on a 6 hour car ride across Germany

 

[Millard]

If certain aspects of this sub forum might represent a sales platform, It's only like that because of the actions of the members who have allowed it to slowly represent a sales platform, and we can easily get rid of the sourcing aspects that we don't like by not giving these amateur sources a chance.

I think we're all getting caught up in describing whether MESO is starting to resemble a source forum or not. That is not the real issue we should be discussing. The real issue is why so many members WANT it to be a source forum.

The MESO Steroid Underground was NOT designed to be a "source forum". Many forums are specifically designed with the intent of being a source forum. MESO was not. This has been emphasized again and agin.

MESO members have been given the opportunity to use this platform to make the forum something so much more than that.

For whatever reasons (and we can only speculate what they are), some members REALLY REALLY want to make it a source forum. It baffles me why so many are intent on doing this.

I don't think keeping sources from setting up shop here is a matter of enforcement. Maybe this is what Millard was trying to get across in the other thread. The established outspoken members here have been too willing to buy from these sources as a means of checking their products or whatever. If we refuse to buy from sources operating here and discourage others, they won't stay.

Thank you @flenser. There some important points that I have not been able to communicate effectively. You have succinctly and clear made this one

It's a completely community driven subforum, the current state of this subforum is a result of participating members and their actions / dialogue towards amateur sources trying to sell here. It was intended to be used for harm reduction and I still think that's what it is.

Exactly. I would rather the direction of this forum be community-driven with open discussion and debate about issues such as these.

Is a "big brother" approach something the community really wants? Or is the community willing to put in the work to make MESO something special.

Well then CBS and WeightedChin-up and Brutus needs to go clean house , go tell Astro and Spetz and Naps and all the other little labs to hit the road .

No. It's about telling you and other members. It's about dialogue and debate. And deciding what's best for the community.

 

[xgunx]

Having an uncensored bored makes it like a virtual public so to say. When you go out in the real world an get things there are certain precautions taken to ensure safety. When you throw out those precautions and everyone gets sloppy its then known as something like the hood or whatever you wanna call it. This is where all the scams and bad things happen to buyers, everybody is just doing whatever the fuck they want there. Compared to the lil old lady selling a bag out in the rural areas. Now @Millard Baker I dont have the answer but that was just my analogy of what i think is going on, i think you are trying to come up with a solution and its great your are taking advice from others.

 

[MANWHORE]

It was test e labeled as prop and fucked my pct up bad.

Ahh, so that wasn't the brewers fault..
I know who brewed that gear, and
now I know what happened.. Makes sense..

M

 

[MANWHORE]

Biologic as in stretch biologic?

Yes but Stretch didn't brew it

 

[brutus79]

Yes but Stretch didn't brew it

Wasn't the same guy brewing for herc at the End? I read pms where stretch said he was.