Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground

To be clear, I'm not suggesting sources should be banned or not allowed to post on Meso. I know some feel that way but I'm not one of them.

The problem is with start-up sources. It's those sources who are responsible for turning the underground into a circus and trying to vet them is pointless because history has shown that almost all of them are non-viable. And they are too high-risk. Giving new sources a chance by complying with the SCOC has only encouraged more of them to come. However, they are still free to post on Meso as far as I'm concerned. As long as no one uses them, they probably won't stay long anyway.

I don't have any objections to well known sources maintaining a presence on Meso and if people want to buy from them, have at it. As we've seen, there still no guarantee their gear is good but they're not likely to scam outright.

Perfect theory but feasible? I came & still come here for the wealth of knowledge from WKM & others for that matter. But it did become, initially, a seemingly safe place to find a source & encouraged by many WKM. Once the guidelines went in it seemed to open a floodgate of "sources" on a weekly basis followed by firefights & disagreement. Now instead of info it is a cesspool of these jokes trying to prove themselves worthy based on the established guidelines. Which has turned in to a comedy act of worthless testing (labmax), phony pics & other ridicules claims. While I am thankful for the members that spend their time blowing these guys I'm equally concerned by the quick acceptance by other members. I know I haven't offered any solutions in this long winded post but I do believe MESO should be a valuable resource to evaluate sources & maybe find legit safe resources but not at the cost of the integrity of the board & the resources of education & knowledge. It's late so I hope this doesn't come off as a bunch of jiberish.
 
Being an uncensored board doesn't warrant necessarily the right to sell. It only grants us the freedom of speech and it's ultimately up to Millard to decide how far to take that. It could only be the right to exchange information. Which I think would still make meso the superior board because it provides a feature none other do.
I understand and agree with you brother on the "right to sell" part but freedom of speech will no longer be freedom of speech if Millard (or anyone else) alters, removes or deletes any members post.


Big Mike
 
Honesty doesn't mean a whole lot when taking freebies undermines what every other member here is trying to do. But keep trying to justify it with the honesty thing. You never know, you might even start believing it yourself.

In 2 weeks potential Gearline buyers will be getting a honest bloodtest review from a honest person . I spent $90 on Labmax and 5 weeks of my time , besides gambling my health . It was not free.
 
In 2 weeks potential Gearline buyers will be getting a honest bloodtest review from a honest person . I spent $90 on Labmax and 5 weeks of my time , besides gambling my health . It was not free.

And when those results turn up positive, members will see the vets and wkm's that are eager to give amateur sources a chance to help get their business up and running. This will just encourage or give guys the idea that somehow these sources should even be considered.

The correct response to a source like Gearline is to discourage members from using them, not giving them a chance. We need to lead by example and flat out discourage the use of these start up operations, not look for opportunities to help them get a start.

I've stated before that product quality is only aspect of a sources service. There are many other ways sources can screw up, and in some cases the consequences for these screw ups can be far worse than simply sending out a poor product.

Amateur sources will screw up sooner or later simply due to inexperience. They are the riskiest purchase.
 
Infact while we are at it ; if any labs have any free samples they want tested by an independant source(me) please PM me ASAP . And make sure its the good stuff , not the other stuff your going to be selling to everyone else .......(sarcasm)
 
Scoc was a step in the right direction and some good brothers put a lot of time and effort into it. It did what it was supposed to which was keep the shitty sources out. Only problem is they are all shitty.
 
In 2 weeks potential Gearline buyers will be getting a honest bloodtest review from a honest person . I spent $90 on Labmax and 5 weeks of my time , besides gambling my health . It was not free.

Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?

You accepted free gear from some bathtub brewer in exchange for a WORTHLESS review. Own it.

Infact while we are at it ; if any labs have any free samples they want tested by an independant source(me) please PM me ASAP . And make sure its the good stuff , not the other stuff your going to be selling to everyone else .......(sarcasm)

You think members getting ripped off is funny?
 
Scoc was a step in the right direction and some good brothers put a lot of time and effort into it. It did what it was supposed to which was keep the shitty sources out. Only problem is they are all shitty.
How so? We have a guy on here with a leg infection and a handful with floaters in their vials. Every UGL is coming back with under dosed gear based on blood work.

Tell me again, how the fuck has the SCOC been effective again?
 
Intelligent response. It rivals your other 2000+ posts.
No - I think your funny.....:rolleyes:
How about you just stop accepting free samples for reviews and we will see if that helps?

Let's not turn this into a vendetta against OGH. You all are good guys that have contributed to Meso in one way or another so just knock it off please.
This should be about how we as a community can reduce the risk of scams by sources here on Meso or just reduce sources wanting to come here period.
Let's not get sidetracked and start pointing our fingers at our fellow brothers. What has happened is in the past. Let's try to focus on how to move forward please and thank you.
 
I probably derailed this convo a little earlier, I'm in a fucked up mood today.sorry if I did.
I'm not knocking the SCOC, it was a shit ton of work for some members to put in place. The real problem is sources come in here because they can for free and post up a price list and contact info before addressing the SCOC. This leads people to jump on them while a handful of vets try to get them to comply. I really don't see a way around this scenario happening unless someone was monitoring who is creating an account, or had the ability to delete a post (but that's s slippery slope too).
 
Excellent post, Brutus. YOU get it. Some ARE thinking small and they're not seeing the big picture. Why is this so hard for some to figure this out? It seems some members refuse or are unable to think beyond there own little world and see that Meso is so much more than sources and gear.
it took me awhile to see this with meso letting sources lounge here there just giving them a free ride to brew whatever and ifi shit goes sour try threre best to fix it. Keep meso a user friendly highway for novice and professional athlete to interact and help each other. If not the threads do become nothing but grown men acting like kids bitching about post count and what not. So what my post count aint that high im not here to have my top 8 like myspace . Im not here to have the most friends list , Im here to gain knowledge from others experiences and techniques . I have read alot of diff post and have scrap book of useful cycle help and I thank MESO and its members for that not the SOURCES, I have several sources , I did want to get on Astros list even after i read all the negative shit just because i know shit could get better. LOL but now fuck that i dont need him or any other motherfucker to hunt me gear I already have good legit private sources. Now i do lack the knowledge on how to dose when to dose and when to adjust dose so for that I use meso and its bible of androgenic / anabolic archives.
im done
 
Seems like it's working at least decently to me... a few ug's are trying to step up there game and looking into mass specs and most of the bad ones get run off pretty quickly.
 
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