Sending AAS samples to independent, accredited laboratory in Europe

[whodatnation]

The sacrifice of a few to save the many. What a mantra and code to live by
If we build it they will come lol
The average joe will always sit back and take joy in the fruits of another man's labor, while the man doing the labor will take solace in taking care of his fellow man.

Holy crap philosophical whodat is on a freaking roll this morning lol
Confucius says

 

[mercury]

This is not only credibility problem who sends the gear for testing. The game is changing all the time.

A body from gym had bold and we knew that it was good. But when I got next batch it was bunk, I guess something happened. Probably he got bunk raw material from China next time.

 

[devildog93]

That may indeed be the case, where only 20 of us pitch in, but at least the tool will be there. I don't expect it to be enough of us to give us much bargaining power with labs unless there are way more people willing to get in on it than i think.

not to be Mr. Negative, but i still think labwork/bloods is a good way to go about outing sources without having to deal with the headache of mass speccing. Of course that does nothing for harm reduction or finding out if your gear has female hormones in it. I don't remember which source that was but they need to be burned at the stake.

 

[whodatnation]

Educate me a little here Mercury. On raws and their feel and look , how many of them resemble one another in many characteristics? Like is it plausible that shipping is mislabeled and through means of being to lazy to simply do a melting point test or even labmax items become jumbled like you see in the getm thread?

This is not only credibility problem who sends the gear for testing. The game is changing all the time.

A body from gym had bold and we knew that it was good. But when I got next batch it was bunk, I guess something happened. Probably he got bunk raw material from China next time.

 

[mercury]

Educate me a little here Mercury. On raws and their feel and look , how many of them resemble one another in many characteristics? Like is it plausible that shipping is mislabeled and through means of being to lazy to simply do a melting point test or even labmax items become jumbled like you see in the getm thread?

I do not know what the deal was but the bold was bunk later, guys got good results a few months before. It was GC/MS tested to find potency and checked also for any shit inside later and to be surprise it came negative. The point is that if something was good a few months ago, it does not mean that it is still good.

 

[whodatnation]

Oh I agree I still say the second best tren I run was hercules aka bio. I got lucky and bought like ten 20 ml jugs of it and it was great stuff. The point you bring forth is why we must continue forward though , it is of the utmost importance that these UGL's start testing their raws before brewing substances that don't even come close to being labeled correctly.

I do not know what the deal was but the bold was bunk later, guys got good results a few months before. It was GC/MS tested to find potency and checked also for any shit inside later and to be surprise it came negative. The point is that if something was good a few months ago, it does not mean that it is still good.

 

[devildog93]

All ugl's should test their own shit, that is a given. At this point i don't believe and of them do it with regularity. How to ensure they do is the main issue. Right now they don't care about their name or credibility. They can run for a month or two with zero qc or attention to detail before having to reinvent themselves under a new name. They can do this repeatedly without spending a cent on testing and never have to worry about eating a bad shipment themselves or hashing it out with their powder source over poor product. Their aim isn't to provide a quality product, it is to make the most money they can.

Back in the day people wouldn't fake cheap gear, but that day is long gone. They can and will sell us fake anything if they can make a buck. I agree with an earlier poster that we may be able to slow things down and keep them from popping up or running for long time periods and stealing people blind. That should honestly be the goal - just to make it a huge pain in the ass for scammers and those wanting to make a quick buck. Getting good, safe gear is the ultimate goal, but keeping the cockroaches under control is just as important in my opinion.

 

[showstoppa]

I think the problem is most dont have a place to send it, atleast with the good ones.

 

[Ricardo]

Truthfully there will prolly only be 15 maybe 20 people who actually send money even on a board this size if past experience tells us anything.

Which is hilarious as the few bob it costs for testing would save them 1000s in the long run labs would have to dose the shit there peddling properly if they were being tested....

Be like getting a free bottle of test with every bottle of test bought if dosed properly. That's if there kind enough to actually put some ph in the gear to begin with!

 

[Unleashed]

just catching up. Great idea! I'm in any way I can help, donations or product. I'm sure the whole process will start with a few 'bumps' in the road but the outcome will be a game changer. Even if testing doesn't include all or many labs, ( at least in the beginning or as the rotation works it's way around) once word gets out to the sources, just the thought of their product being tested should have a big influence on them. We/ they know the consequences of bunk and under dosed gear and the proof we will have!

 

[Unleashed]

Truthfully there will prolly only be 15 maybe 20 people who actually send money even on a board this size if past experience tells us anything.

It's funny you should mention this. I was one of the few who donated to PM when they first tested hgh products. If memory serves there were about 50 donators and they have 35,000 members??? ( figures might be a little off but you get the point )

 

[Nitrobuste]

Didnt read the whole thread so sorry if i missed something.

I am from europe and would spend vials to get them tested.

I have genesis test e from granabolic and also some stuff from getm.

 

[Millard]

Truthfully there will prolly only be 15 maybe 20 people who actually send money even on a board this size if past experience tells us anything.

It's funny you should mention this. I was one of the few who donated to PM when they first tested hgh products. If memory serves there were about 50 donators and they have 35,000 members??? ( figures might be a little off but you get the point )

It's a good question. Such a program will be costly.

I think a minimum of 1000 samples/year would be required to have a significant impact on harm reduction. The program could be scaled down drastically but the impact would be much less.

For example, analyzing 1,000 samples per year would likely cost no less than $100,000 - $150,000. The samples and shipping would cost as much as another $100,000 per year.

That's a quarter of a million dollars.

If 500 members spent $25 per month every month and another 1000 members submitted samples, that could very well cover it.

Is the demand really there?

That remains to be seen.

 

[BIGMESC]

I will pledge $25 a month

It's a good question. Such a program will be costly.

I think a minimum of 1000 samples would be required to have a significant impact on harm reduction. The program could be scaled down drastically but the impact would be much less.

For example, analyzing 1,000 samples per year would likely cost no less than $100,000 - $150,000. The samples and shipping would cost as much as another $100,000 per year.

That's a quarter of a million dollars.

If 500 members spent $25 per month every month and another 1000 members submitted samples, that could very well cover it.

Is the demand really there?

That remains to be seen.

 

[BigHuu]

I will pledge $25 a month

I also

 

[Capt Forest]

I could subscribe to a $25 a month fourm. I hope that this subscription would include features or some extras on meso forms

 

[Nitrobuste]

Me too but these numbers seem to be much to high for such a "small" community...

 

[greenddog1]

$25 a month would be worth it to me.

 

[Capt Forest]

Maybe charge sources to source here? That might be counter productive for the real purpose of meso.

 

[showstoppa]

I will pledge that. No problem