Sending AAS samples to independent, accredited laboratory in Europe

[Capt Forest]

Why not a lab in mexico, steroids are legal there.

I just emailed one but if you can give me a reason why Mexico is not an option i will not waste my time.

 

[Unleashed]

It's a good question. Such a program will be costly.

I think a minimum of 1000 samples/year would be required to have a significant impact on harm reduction. The program could be scaled down drastically but the impact would be much less.

For example, analyzing 1,000 samples per year would likely cost no less than $100,000 - $150,000. The samples and shipping would cost as much as another $100,000 per year.

That's a quarter of a million dollars.

If 500 members spent $25 per month every month and another 1000 members submitted samples, that could very well cover it.

Is the demand really there?

That remains to be seen.

Wow, realistically I think the demand is there, getting enough people to donate consistently will be an issue. Keeping the momentum will be another issue!!

 

[whodatnation]

Still just amazed at the low poll numbers from a board with so many

 

[newtoketo]

Too bad you can't have a 25$ membership login type thing. Where it's for the testers or testes lol.

 

[Manny]

Please elaborate on "randomly" and "anonymously".

I first approached the AAS harm reduction project using the EcstasyData.org / DDL arrangement as a model. In sum, EcstasyData (Erowids) sponsored the testing and negotiated a special discounted rate so that anyone could anonymously submit a sample for testing (as long as cash payment was included).

No accredited lab that I contacted was willing to copy this model for AAS testing/harm reduction. Among the ones willing to test AAS samples, no one would accept anonymous payment especially from dozens of different people.

The best case scenario that I may have found involves MESO sponsoring the testing and negotiating a special discounted rate for sample submissions as long as MESO (or a single entity) pays for the testing. This precludes anonymous sample submission. MESO obviously can't pay for everyone's analysis.

This would mean sample submission would be pseudonymous at best (i.e. the individuals who submit samples will be members known only by their selected usernames). The challenge would be to devise a transparent and fair method of determining who submits samples every month.

Does any member who is willing to pay x amount of dollars get to have their sample tested? Can they test 10 samples each as long as they pay? What are the problems with this? What biases will this create?

If the members who submit the sample don't have to pay anything for testing, how should they be selected? I don't think it should be a popularity contest. And I don't think it should be limited to a handful of people. Ideally, if 1,000 samples are submitted, they should be submitted by as many as 1,000 different members and certainly no less than 300-500.

But the question remains - how should they be selected? I'm leaning towards the forum points system or likes system as one criteria - only members with x number or likes or x number of points qualify for free testing. What are the problems with this? What biases wil this create?

One pragmatic issue that may influence selection is the lower costs of testing similar samples. For example, it might cost $200 per sample to test 30 samples involving 10 different steroids (3x10) but it would only cost $100 per sample to test 30 samples involving 3 different steroids (10x3). So, it would best most cost-effective (not necessarily most random) to say 'for October we are only testing methenolone enanthate, nandrolone decanoate and oxandrolone - you must have those samples to qualify for free testing'. But will this create problems or biases?

I am very open to suggestions.

Great ideas! I can't add anything to this accept my vote, I say yes. I am a new guy here and want to make sure that I'm getting and will continue to get the proper dose/stuff/results! One last thing. There's no way in hell that I can afford to get a dirty test for coke or anything else bro! All in!

 

[whodatnation]

I want some of these new guys like the one above to understand their importance in this. 25 dollar monthly fees are nothing when you have no longer the fear of pinning and wondering if this is going to be the shot that gets your arm amputated. Knowing you are getting great gear instead of hoping you get ok gear lol

 

[Unleashed]

Still just amazed at the low poll numbers from a board with so many

My point exactly!!!

 

[Manny]

I want some of these new guys like the one above to understand their importance in this. 25 dollar monthly fees are nothing when you have no longer the fear of pinning and wondering if this is going to be the shot that gets your arm amputated. Knowing you are getting great gear instead of hoping you get ok gear lol

I def agree brother! At this time I cannot contribute, I haven't been working and am making my bills,life with the help of my friends. I would hate to imagine what my life would be like today if I didn't have good people around me! When things change I will definitely be on board with this and also will be contributing in other ways when they do arise. I think this is a great group of guys that we have here and I'm lucky and honored to be a part of this crew! I hope everyone's having a great day and weekend so far!

 

[Zaphod]

100% for this. I have an unopened vial and $25 laying around here somewhere I can throw in.

 

[mike0507]

What is a reasonable turnaround for you?

The time it takes to mail a sample from US to EU would take at least a week.

Considerations affecting the time it takes to analyze include how frequently the lab analyzes samples? Is it done upon receipt? Are samples analzyed in batches once every two weeks? How frequently batches are analyzed has a significant bearing on cost; it will be much more costly to analzye upon receipt than as part of a batch.

Basically, the more we're willing to pay, the quicker we'll have the results.

Sorry for the delayed response. A reasonable T/A time for me would be 2-3 weeks. I'd be willing to pay more for faster T/A since faster results would help minimize the risk of other board members considering an order, or worse yet using contaminated, mislabeled or bunk gear. Also, faster T/A gives us the ability to order more from the same batch of tested products should the results indicate high purity and accurate dosing. I'd rather pay 2-3 hundred bucks for piece of mind than continue spending 2-3 times that amount for gear that turns out to be mislabeled or fake anyway. Having access to testing would not only weed out the bullshit dealers, but also act as a strong deterrent when combined with the CoC.

 

[PeteZaria]

I voted for sending up to $100 per vial. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thought about it, but say a good source goes rogue. He's still taken the money an ran before the TA on the tests. Also, sources can use the same batch numbers over and over so we wouldn't know for sure that what has been confirmed as gtg actually is the same stuff.

I could do the $25 if it tightened up sources and opened up good one to us new members.

 

[whodatnation]

Any more information yet on this Millard ? Definitely still very interested in how we move forward from here.

 

[Millard]

Any more information yet on this Millard ? Definitely still very interested in how we move forward from here.

No. All of Europe seems to go on vacation in August so communication has been slow.

 

[1forthegeeks]

Charge every member $25 to access the underground per month.

Sources $100.


Cut down on multiple handles, trolls, shills, scammers, and bad product all in one motion!

 

[GigaloRob]

How ironic

 

[1forthegeeks]

How ironic

Speak you mind and get over it. Stop running around the board all passive aggressive.

 

[GigaloRob]

Speak you mind and get over it. Stop running around the board all passive aggressive.

It's ironic considering your involvement with the whole pep fiasco. I'm sure per usual in these cases you will attempt to act as if you were not knowingly involved in that circus. Considering that chain of events you are probably the last person to talk about trolls,shills, and scammers. Then again nobody has to take my word for it, they can simply go back to the pep thread and read for themselves. It's eye opening to say the least.

 

[RockStar]

Hey Millard, Anyway you can take the GETM advertisement down? Makes me sick every time I see it since the MASS SPECS on their gear came back. I would definitely donate especially after all that money I wasted.

 

[brutus79]

Charge every member $25 to access the underground per month.

Sources $100.


Cut down on multiple handles, trolls, shills, scammers, and bad product all in one motion!

the underground is what drives the traffic here. people come for sources- usually nothing else. they stay because in searching for a source the fall in love with the cacophony that is meso. AAnything that reduces traffic is a failure- this is a website. the more eyes that see what we do the more chance we make sweeping changes in the industry and culture. make anyone pull out a credit card and you are done.... we are offering free pussy and it is the basis of our popularity. geeks- chill the fuck out. rob is a good guy and it was a little ironic with you commenting on driving off yourself

 

[1forthegeeks]

I'm sure everyone who has been here for the last 12 months are aware of the situation and drew their own conclusions.

No point of bogging Millard's constructive thread with bickering over what you think took place.

If any member doesn't know I was the first member to order from Pep, had a great cycle, a second cycle that was unproductive, and left the board for three months.

Rob wants to feel like he's protecting everyone, so please thank him for his diligence.