Why run anavar and tren together?

[testaholic]

I often see cycles (esp during cuts) where one cuts with test + var, and either includes tren the whole way through or adds it later on in the cycle as he gets very lean.

My question is why? Why keep the var if you're gonna run tren? From my understanding tren does everything var does, but stronger - including being a more effective anti-catabolic agent on a cut due to its interaction at the mineralocorticoid receptor (eg blocking cortisol)

If someone could clarify, or chime in w experience, I would appreciate it. Why not just remove the var? (and replace it with a compound that does something diff - like winny for drying or sdrol for fullness- or replace it with nothing at all)

 

[Rido]

Hitting anabolism or recomp through different compounds to minimize side effects/damage is most ideal for any type of therapy.

I'd rather run 4 compounds to achieve anabolism and muscle growth than run 2 and suffer from nasty sides


That logic is like why run anything but tren.

 

[testaholic]

Hitting anabolism or recomp through different compounds to minimize side effects/damage is most ideal for any type of therapy.

I'd rather run 4 compounds to achieve anabolism and muscle growth than run 2 and suffer from nasty sides


That logic is like why run anything but tren.

Ah. So the idea being to increase anabolism via separate pathways (DHT vs progesterone) and also to lower the effective dose of tren required?

 

[Live_Evil]

Ah. So the idea being to increase anabolism via separate pathways (DHT vs progesterone) and also to lower the effective dose of tren required?

Believe it or not, anavar is the closest thing to tren regarding severe anabolism in a caloric deficit. The way tren interacts with glucocorticoid receptors is unmatched, but anavar is a distant second, while nothing else really comes close.

Being perfectly factual though, people dramatically overstate tren's anabolism during a bulk. It really isn't any more effective at building muscle in a caloric surplus than many other compounds, but it's quite amazing in a deficit.

As such, anavar is a great alternative for individuals who really experience tren sides.

Personally, I avoid tren, but I love anavar. Large dosages come with their own host of sides, but the strength gains are amazing, and the muscle sparing during a cut is only surpassed by tren.

 

[Rido]

Ah. So the idea being to increase anabolism via separate pathways (DHT vs progesterone) and also to lower the effective dose of tren required?

I think that's why most of us try to go through different paths of the anabolic categories right?

Obviously there are some of them with unique benefits
Mast with e2 receptors
Primo with AI like effects.

I would say it's typical that they used different compounds/medicine to achieve a certain goal.


From a medical standpoint
Whether it's multiple blood pressure medications, chemotherapies, and other medications that have synergistic effects.

If one medication causes more acid reflux and one causes tremors. Instead of using max dose of both. Use half of max on each to make it tolerable for the patient.

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

Being perfectly factual though, people dramatically overstate tren's anabolism during a bulk. It really isn't any more effective at building muscle in a caloric surplus than many other compounds, but it's quite amazing in a deficit.

Tren is the best bulker of any steroid for me. I can still eat on it. I think and have experienced the complete opposite. It's even a better bulker than dbol and anadrol for me because my appetite is way better on tren than on those. It's the best for cutting amd bulking imo. There's nothing like it.

 

[lukiss96]

Believe it or not, anavar is the closest thing to tren regarding severe anabolism in a caloric deficit. The way tren interacts with glucocorticoid receptors is unmatched, but anavar is a distant second, while nothing else really comes close.

Being perfectly factual though, people dramatically overstate tren's anabolism during a bulk. It really isn't any more effective at building muscle in a caloric surplus than many other compounds, but it's quite amazing in a deficit.

As such, anavar is a great alternative for individuals who really experience tren sides.

Personally, I avoid tren, but I love anavar. Large dosages come with their own host of sides, but the strength gains are amazing, and the muscle sparing during a cut is only surpassed by tren.

Not to mention people underestimate anavar like it's ladies only drug... While in reality it kicks ass and is no less powerful than other orals, all while having favorable side effect profile.

 

[Maximus014]

Not to mention people underestimate anavar like it's ladies only drug... While in reality it kicks ass and is no less powerful than other orals, all while having favorable side effect profile.

I can't wait to run anavar at the end of my cut, never tried it before as I never really ran a serious cut before this one so didn't see the point

 

[Rido]

Tren is the best bulker of any steroid for me. I can still eat on it. I think and have experienced the complete opposite. It's even a better bulker than dbol and anadrol for me because my appetite is way better on tren than on those. It's the best for cutting amd bulking imo. There's nothing like it.

NPP made me insatiable to a point I wanted semaglutide to kill it. I just made this cycle w recomp cycle

 

[lukiss96]

I can't wait to run anavar at the end of my cut, never tried it before as I never really ran a serious cut before this one so didn't see the point

You're gonna do cutting? I thought PL people don't cut, but I might be wrong though. That aside, yeah it's great for cutting, really helps with strength and power. Although I'm pretty sure I'm not on your level in terms of strength, but nonetheless I have found it to be really good for this purpose.

Also, it gives nice benefit of killing appetite or at least minimizing it noticeably. I like it's cosmetic effect too, very good dry, yet kinda full look. For example winstrol is perhaps the best hardener there is, but the look is rather flat, I remember even on a bulk I did 1g testosterone and 50mg/day injectable stanozolol, man I was freakin' flat!

 

[Maximus014]

You're gonna do cutting? I thought PL people don't cut, but I might be wrong though. That aside, yeah it's great for cutting, really helps with strength and power. Although I'm pretty sure I'm not on your level in terms of strength, but nonetheless I have found it to be really good for this purpose.

Also, it gives nice benefit of killing appetite or at least minimizing it noticeably. I like it's cosmetic effect too, very good dry, yet kinda full look. For example winstrol is perhaps the best hardener there is, but the look is rather flat, I remember even on a bulk I did 1g testosterone and 50mg/day injectable stanozolo, man I was freakin' flat!

Yeah I normally don't cut too much, this will be my first real attempt at getting low bodyfat, low for me being like 12 max

My strength is no where near where it was pre covid, but slowly coming back, bench and squat both a took a shit, deadlift is coming back quickly which I knew it would as I've always been a big puller

Just slower progression with such low carbs

 

[Rido]

Yeah I normally don't cut too much, this will be my first real attempt at getting low bodyfat, low for me being like 12 max

My strength is no where near where it was pre covid, but slowly coming back, bench and squat both a took a shit, deadlift is coming back quickly which I knew it would as I've always been a big puller

Just slower progression with such low carbs

12 lb fat loss max?

 

[Maximus014]

12 lb fat loss max?

No 12% bodyfat, would like to get down there at least once lol then bulk back up smarter not adding a.lot of fat in pursuit of numbers

I'm already down 23lbs since I started my cut

 

[lukiss96]

Yeah I normally don't cut too much, this will be my first real attempt at getting low bodyfat, low for me being like 12 max

My strength is no where near where it was pre covid, but slowly coming back, bench and squat both a took a shit, deadlift is coming back quickly which I knew it would as I've always been a big puller

Just slower progression with such low carbs

Well, legit 12% is pretty damn low, I usually hover at 12-14% year round. However, now I'm tempted to increase calories further and sacrifice some leanness, as I've successfully managed to beef up in super short amount of time, now people accuse me of steroids lol... Actually, it's just muscle memory from me being 260 pounds at one point bf probably was ~20%. Of course I boosted my protocol accordingly, but nothing too crazy, currently at 233 pounds with sub ~15% body fat.

I can imagine powerlifters biggest fear is loss of absolute strength? It seems that in PL relative strength is what matters, but when it comes to cutting weight I hear people are too afraid to lose any strength?

Funny thing is, I'm the exact opposite, I don't even DL (I did in the past) but it's my weakest movement, my lower back is my weak point and I have long arms and legs, although I'm not really tall, but I'm about 6'2 in imperial measurements. Squat on the other hand is going good for me, I just never really took advantage of it so to speak, because my legs seem to overgrow if I do so.

I imagine you're on restricted calories as of right now, since you say that strength is slowly coming back? If so, you might consider recomp sort of, like for example instead of cutting my calories too much, I rather move my ass more. Swimming is my fav, but walking is awesome too, I eat 4000 calories and sometimes more on my very active days, back down to 3500-3600 calories for less active days, that way I was able to stay lean and I have not been over 15% in like almost 2 years now, since my last bulking phase.

 

[M@NU]

Not to mention people underestimate anavar like it's ladies only drug... While in reality it kicks ass and is no less powerful than other orals, all while having favorable side effect profile.

what you call "favorable side effect profile" is also something many people underestimate.
Anavar is by no means weak. And i mean this in regards to effectd and side effects.
dont be fooled into thinking var is mild - it isnt.

 

[lukiss96]

what you call "favorable side effect profile" is also something many people underestimate.
Anavar is by no means weak. And i mean this in regards to effectd and side effects.
dont be fooled into thinking var is mild - it isnt.

I didn't say it's weak? I said, it's pretty powerful oral steroid.

 

[M@NU]

I didn't say it's weak? I said, it's pretty powerful oral steroid.

you said "favorable side effect profile" which is not correct.

 

[Rido]

No 12% bodyfat, would like to get down there at least once lol then bulk back up smarter not adding a.lot of fat in pursuit of numbers

I'm already down 23lbs since I started my cut

That's pretty low. I just hit 15 percent. I haven't been this low since I was 5. Maybe 8 years ago but I don't have a scan to confirm

 

[lukiss96]

you said "favorable side effect profile" which is not correct.

Why? No oral steroid is "healthy". What this means is that anavar side effects are tolerable, for example I don't feel that much damage I do from winstrol, for example lethargy is classic sign of liver toxicity, I feel it less on anavar than many other oral steroids. Another example is superdrol which is dimethylated, I feel the lethargy kick in very fast.

 

[rated_rko]

I recomp with this in 2020