Almost 3000 alt from 2 weeks of tren…

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And if you "would agree", why did you advocate for training induced transferase elevation? 2800 ... from training, seriously? The biases on this forum are sometimes completely moronic. A person starts injecting an underground lab vet grade anabolic and people blame it on training, laughable, at best. If OP had an extensive muscle tear or something, you think he'd notice it?

Reading back through this I definitely reacted too hastily and too aggressively.

@tgoat1970 My apologies.

 

[tgoat1970]

Reading back through this I definitely reacted too hastily and too aggressively.

@tgoat1970 My apologies.

Thanks for your apologies. I want to figure out what happened, I don’t want to stop gear. I’m going down to 250 ish mgs of test until I figure out what happened. I want to add in anavar in some time too.

 

[Astartes]

No. Just no.

Intense training has a big impact on ALT values for sure in some people. It could double or triple levels - so you'll could see something upwards of 100 IU/L, which is relatively dramatic and enough to concern a doctor.

But considering that the reference range for ALT levels that we usually see is measured at 7 to 55 IU/L, an ALT of 2800 suggests something more serious.

With numbers that high I’m inclined to believe the units are different from the lab per your initial line of questioning.

So 2800 would be 28 or 280 IU/L

If not, he is in process of serious liver failure or something else rather insidious may be at large.

OP. If the units on your test are IU/L you need to seek medical attn from an Endo or Hepatologist immediately. .

 

[tgoat1970]

With numbers that high I’m inclined to believe the units are different from the lab per your initial line of questioning.

So 2800 would be 28 or 280 IU/L

If not, he is in process of serious liver failure or something else rather insidious may be at large.

OP. If the units on your test are IU/L you need to seek medical attn from an Endo or Hepatologist immediately. .

Brother look through the thread…I went to the hospital. Also , I posted the bloodwork go check the reference range

 

[Astartes]

Brother look through the thread…I went to the hospital. Also , I posted the bloodwork go check the reference range

Wow my friend. (Skipped because it looked like an article link. I apologize) If you were my good friend I would tell you this….

Gear will be there 90-180 days from now and this sport is measured in years and decades. Please be wise. Drop it, dig in with Endo or Hepatologist.

Go to TRT doses, keep lifting and pause the rest.

Get this figured out. Enjoy years of lifting … and living…. Isn’t worth it to do otherwise

 

[tgoat1970]

Wow my friend. (Skipped because it looked like an article link. I apologize) If you were my good friend I would tell you this….

Gear will be there 90-180 days from now and this sport is measured in years and decades. Please be wise. Drop it, dig in with Endo or Hepatologist.

Go to TRT doses, keep lifting and pause the rest.

Get this figured out. Enjoy years of lifting … and living…. Isn’t worth it to do otherwise

Thank you man. My number one goal is figure out how the hell this could happen. I’m meeting with the liver specialist in 2 weeks, hopefully we can come to a conclusion then. I’m definitely dropping the tren and going to high trt dose. Once the bloodwork gets normal I’ll add in some var, and see how I react to that. It confuses me also that I was on a sarm that is probably more liver toxic than tren, and only my alt was slightly elavated. I really want to find someone who has heard of these levels before, to my knowledge it’s unheard of.

 

[Astartes]

Thank you man. My number one goal is figure out how the hell this could happen. I’m meeting with the liver specialist in 2 weeks, hopefully we can come to a conclusion then. I’m definitely dropping the tren and going to high trt dose. Once the bloodwork gets normal I’ll add in some var, and see how I react to that. It confuses me also that I was on a sarm that is probably more liver toxic than tren, and only my alt was slightly elavated. I really want to find someone who has heard of these levels before, to my knowledge it’s unheard of.

Please let us know how this goes. Praying for ya brother. Keep us posted and if you find out something that could help others post it.

 

[Jin23]

Thank you man. My number one goal is figure out how the hell this could happen. I’m meeting with the liver specialist in 2 weeks, hopefully we can come to a conclusion then. I’m definitely dropping the tren and going to high trt dose. Once the bloodwork gets normal I’ll add in some var, and see how I react to that. It confuses me also that I was on a sarm that is probably more liver toxic than tren, and only my alt was slightly elavated. I really want to find someone who has heard of these levels before, to my knowledge it’s unheard of.

Jezus man, just drop to normal trt, not high, not anything. 650 - 750 ngdl trt. That's it.

All androgens go through the liver. Be it oral or injectable. All androgens need to be glucoronidated. While there is no direct MOA of tren, or some other androgen, causing such high elevations, in your case, there seemingly is some underlying biological issue, which resulted in your liver freaking out. So just give it a fucking pause.

Besides. This is your first cycle and you went from a sarm, to anavar and now to a test/tren/mast blend? What the actual fuck are you doing anyway?! Just give it a freakin pause mate. As mr space marine @Astartes said above, aas will be there in the future, ...

 

[phenominal34]

Jezus man, just drop to normal trt, not high, not anything. 650 - 750 ngdl trt. That's it.

All androgens go through the liver. Be it oral or injectable. All androgens need to be glucoronidated. While there is no direct MOA of tren, or some other androgen, causing such high elevations, in your case, there seemingly is some underlying biological issue, which resulted in your liver freaking out. So just give it a fucking pause.

Besides. This is your first cycle and you went from a sarm, to anavar and now to a test/tren/mast blend? What the actual fuck are you doing anyway?! Just give it a freakin pause mate. As mr space marine @Astartes said above, aas will be there in the future, ...

Exactly!!! The dude is on deaths door and he’s still talking high trt and anavar etc. like seriously get a fucking clue, fuck steroids and get your health straight. You should not be waiting 2 weeks with those levels to see someone. I hate to say it but again I think something is off here with the test or something. 50 times normal levels and they don’t have you in a room somewhere trying to get this figured out!!

 

[29trt]

Exactly!!! The dude is on deaths door and he’s still talking high trt and anavar etc. like seriously get a fucking clue, fuck steroids and get your health straight. You should not be waiting 2 weeks with those levels to see someone. I hate to say it but again I think something is off here with the test or something. 50 times normal levels and they don’t have you in a room somewhere trying to get this figured out!!

exactly right, something is off....
first of all with liver that fucked up you should feel like shit, no appetite no energy no dreams of blasting gear....

 

[Jin23]

Exactly!!! The dude is on deaths door and he’s still talking high trt and anavar etc. like seriously get a fucking clue, fuck steroids and get your health straight. You should not be waiting 2 weeks with those levels to see someone. I hate to say it but again I think something is off here with the test or something. 50 times normal levels and they don’t have you in a room somewhere trying to get this figured out!!

I'm guessing his other liver markers (which would imply liver damage) are normal and that's why they aren't freaking out. However waiting two weeks for a specialist is laughable indeed, but it shows that doc's aren't really too concerned.

There isn't anything off with the test. He got another test some time after the first one which also showed a huge elevation.

But yes, indeed, low personal health standards. Gear really plays with your mind, it's hard to get off.

 

[Millard]

They didn’t conclude anything yet because doctors don’t know shit about AAS and I haven’t met with the GI doc yet. Hopefully I will know in the next week or 2.

I doubt it had anything at all to the actual AAS compounds especially since you weren't using any of the hepatotoxic AAS.

Of course, there are some dangerous hepatotoxic AAS drugs - not so much the ones that were FDA-approved with 50 years of data behind them but the ones that were rejected specifically due to their severe hepatotoxicity in 50s and 60s as pharmaceutical candidates but ended up being sold over the counter as dietary supplements for a period of time in the U.S.

I would agree but it almost certainly isn't going to be Tren unless he was injecting something else that was literally poison labelled as Tren.

That would be my first guess. I think this type of rapid increase in ALT is something you would see in things like tylenol overdoses. I guess there could be an issue of contamination. It seems like the ER docs would want to test the products used by OP for diagnostics.

With numbers that high I’m inclined to believe the units are different from the lab per your initial line of questioning.

So 2800 would be 28 or 280 IU/L

If not, he is in process of serious liver failure or something else rather insidious may be at large.

OP. If the units on your test are IU/L you need to seek medical attn from an Endo or Hepatologist immediately. .

I'm puzzled that he was discharged from hospital without any clear explanation of what was going on with a followup two whole weeks later. That doesn't seem like a lot of concern from the doctors about the condition. Maybe they know more than has been communicated.

If I saw those lab values on my report, I'd be panicking.

 

[tgoat1970]

I'm guessing his other liver markers (which would imply liver damage) are normal and that's why they aren't freaking out. However waiting two weeks for a specialist is laughable indeed, but it shows that doc's aren't really too concerned.

There isn't anything off with the test. He got another test some time after the first one which also showed a huge elevation.

But yes, indeed, low personal health standards. Gear really plays with your mind, it's hard to get off.

My liver function is normal. I’m going to 180 test a week. I said I’d do anavar when my bloods were normal, not right away. 2 weeks is the fastest they could see me.

 

[tgoat1970]

Exactly!!! The dude is on deaths door and he’s still talking high trt and anavar etc. like seriously get a fucking clue, fuck steroids and get your health straight. You should not be waiting 2 weeks with those levels to see someone. I hate to say it but again I think something is off here with the test or something. 50 times normal levels and they don’t have you in a room somewhere trying to get this figured out!!

Dude I’m not taking anavar right now. I’m going to 180mg test. I was in the hospital trying to figure out what’s wrong, so they did have me in a room.

 

[Rido]

I'm puzzled that he was discharged from hospital without any clear explanation of what was going on with a followup two whole weeks later. That doesn't seem like a lot of concern from the doctors about the condition. Maybe they know more than has been communicated.

It's very well possible that asymptomatic patients may be discharged from the hospital.... But he would have had a GI consult if he was admitted...

 

[Jin23]

My liver function is normal. I’m going to 180 test a week. I said I’d do anavar when my bloods were normal, not right away. 2 weeks is the fastest they could see me.

And where does 180 put you at? For most this is going to be pretty high.

 

[tgoat1970]

And where does 180 put you at? For most this is going to be pretty high.

I would assume around 1000ng/dl

 

[null88]

Heres a case of someone with elevated liver enzymes with tren, granted they were taking 1000mg/week

A 23 year old male with no significant past medical history presented with complaints of jaundice and generalized weakness which began 10 days prior to presentation. Patient endorsed weekly IM trenbelone 1000 mg weekly over the last 8 weeks. Physical examination was remarkable for icterus and appropriate mentation. Initial investigations reflected a total bilirubin of 13.44 mg/dL, AST 159 IU/L, ALT 425 IU/L, PT 11.0, INR 1.0, and Alk Phos of 142

https://journals.lww.com/ajg/abstract/2019/10001/2390_trenbolone_induced_liver_injury.2391.aspx

 

[tgoat1970]

Heres a case of someone with elevated liver enzymes with tren, granted they were taking 1000mg/week

https://journals.lww.com/ajg/abstract/2019/10001/2390_trenbolone_induced_liver_injury.2391.aspx

Interesting. My enzymes were 5x the level of his, on 1/4 of the dose. I had zero signs of jaundice, no weakness, no nothing. We’ll figure it out

 

[trendbolwinstrol]

ive always read tren could be bad for liver but people here are saying it doesnt affect liver at all .... which is it?