Reading back through this I definitely reacted too hastily and too aggressively.
@tgoat1970 My apologies.
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@tgoat1970 My apologies.
Thanks for your apologies. I want to figure out what happened, I don’t want to stop gear. I’m going down to 250 ish mgs of test until I figure out what happened. I want to add in anavar in some time too.
Astartes
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With numbers that high I’m inclined to believe the units are different from the lab per your initial line of questioning.
So 2800 would be 28 or 280 IU/L
If not, he is in process of serious liver failure or something else rather insidious may be at large.
OP. If the units on your test are IU/L you need to seek medical attn from an Endo or Hepatologist immediately. .
Brother look through the thread…I went to the hospital. Also , I posted the bloodwork go check the reference range
Astartes
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Wow my friend. (Skipped because it looked like an article link. I apologize) If you were my good friend I would tell you this….
Gear will be there 90-180 days from now and this sport is measured in years and decades. Please be wise. Drop it, dig in with Endo or Hepatologist.
Go to TRT doses, keep lifting and pause the rest.
Get this figured out. Enjoy years of lifting … and living…. Isn’t worth it to do otherwise
Thank you man. My number one goal is figure out how the hell this could happen. I’m meeting with the liver specialist in 2 weeks, hopefully we can come to a conclusion then. I’m definitely dropping the tren and going to high trt dose. Once the bloodwork gets normal I’ll add in some var, and see how I react to that. It confuses me also that I was on a sarm that is probably more liver toxic than tren, and only my alt was slightly elavated. I really want to find someone who has heard of these levels before, to my knowledge it’s unheard of.
Astartes
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Please let us know how this goes. Praying for ya brother. Keep us posted and if you find out something that could help others post it.
Jin23
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Jezus man, just drop to normal trt, not high, not anything. 650 - 750 ngdl trt. That's it.
All androgens go through the liver. Be it oral or injectable. All androgens need to be glucoronidated. While there is no direct MOA of tren, or some other androgen, causing such high elevations, in your case, there seemingly is some underlying biological issue, which resulted in your liver freaking out. So just give it a fucking pause.
Besides. This is your first cycle and you went from a sarm, to anavar and now to a test/tren/mast blend? What the actual fuck are you doing anyway?! Just give it a freakin pause mate. As mr space marine @Astartes said above, aas will be there in the future, ...
phenominal34
Member
Exactly!!! The dude is on deaths door and he’s still talking high trt and anavar etc. like seriously get a fucking clue, fuck steroids and get your health straight. You should not be waiting 2 weeks with those levels to see someone. I hate to say it but again I think something is off here with the test or something. 50 times normal levels and they don’t have you in a room somewhere trying to get this figured out!!
29trt
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exactly right, something is off....
first of all with liver that fucked up you should feel like shit, no appetite no energy no dreams of blasting gear....
Jin23
Well-known Member
I'm guessing his other liver markers (which would imply liver damage) are normal and that's why they aren't freaking out. However waiting two weeks for a specialist is laughable indeed, but it shows that doc's aren't really too concerned.
There isn't anything off with the test. He got another test some time after the first one which also showed a huge elevation.
But yes, indeed, low personal health standards. Gear really plays with your mind, it's hard to get off.
I doubt it had anything at all to the actual AAS compounds especially since you weren't using any of the hepatotoxic AAS.
Of course, there are some dangerous hepatotoxic AAS drugs - not so much the ones that were FDA-approved with 50 years of data behind them but the ones that were rejected specifically due to their severe hepatotoxicity in 50s and 60s as pharmaceutical candidates but ended up being sold over the counter as dietary supplements for a period of time in the U.S.
That would be my first guess. I think this type of rapid increase in ALT is something you would see in things like tylenol overdoses. I guess there could be an issue of contamination. It seems like the ER docs would want to test the products used by OP for diagnostics.
I'm puzzled that he was discharged from hospital without any clear explanation of what was going on with a followup two whole weeks later. That doesn't seem like a lot of concern from the doctors about the condition. Maybe they know more than has been communicated.
If I saw those lab values on my report, I'd be panicking.
My liver function is normal. I’m going to 180 test a week. I said I’d do anavar when my bloods were normal, not right away. 2 weeks is the fastest they could see me.
Dude I’m not taking anavar right now. I’m going to 180mg test. I was in the hospital trying to figure out what’s wrong, so they did have me in a room.
Rido
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It's very well possible that asymptomatic patients may be discharged from the hospital.... But he would have had a GI consult if he was admitted...
Jin23
Well-known Member
And where does 180 put you at? For most this is going to be pretty high.
I would assume around 1000ng/dl
Interesting. My enzymes were 5x the level of his, on 1/4 of the dose. I had zero signs of jaundice, no weakness, no nothing. We’ll figure it out
trendbolwinstrol
Member
ive always read tren could be bad for liver but people here are saying it doesnt affect liver at all .... which is it?
