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Comprehensive Guide to PCT

Discussion in 'Steroid Post Cycle Therapy and ASIH Treatment' started by ApeShitFuckJacked, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. Nicolaus

    Nicolaus Member

    Could anyone enlighten me as to why taking SERMs and hcg simultaneously would be a good or wouldn't be a good idea?

    Since SERMs blocks estrogen from binding, wouldn't this be helpful since hcg may cause an increase in estrogen??
     
  2. Tootaboo

    Tootaboo Junior Member

    Hi I'm starting my pct and I'm not sure what's the right doesage and length of time. I was only on sustanon for 12 weeks about 500mg twice a week. Can somebody please guide me in the right direction asap. Also what happens if you start your pct too early. How much gains do people typically lose when they get off their cycle?
     
  3. Tootaboo

    Tootaboo Junior Member

    Hi I'm starting my pct and I'm not sure what's the right doesage and length of time. I was only on sustanon for 12 weeks about 500mg twice a week. Can somebody please guide me in the right direction asap. Also what happens if you start your pct too early. How much gains do people typically lose when they get off their cycle?
     
  4. Tootaboo

    Tootaboo Junior Member

    Hi I'm starting my pct and I'm not sure what's the right doesage and length of time. I was only on sustanon for 12 weeks about 500mg twice a week. Can somebody please guide me in the right direction asap. Also what happens if you start your pct too early. How much gains do people typically lose when they get off their cycle?
     
  5. Jrgainz

    Jrgainz Junior Member

    Hey folks, man I've just spent a couple hours reading this thread trying to make a final decision on pct/hcg I thought I had it figured out when I started.
    Lots of good info from @Michael Scally MD
    @Burrr
    And @ApeShitFuckJacked

    Would really appreciate some feedback.
    Finished my first cycle last pin 2 days ago. Test e

    Test E for 12 weeks
    My plan was to start Hcg 1 week after last pin 250ius eod for 2 weeks

    Than up.my hcg dose to 2000ius E3d for 2 weeks. This will allow me to go hard on the hcg 14 days b4 PCT with some overlap

    Pct start 35 days after last test E pin.
    Then run clomid 100/100/50/50
    Run nolva 40/40/20/20

    Thoughts
     
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  6. Jrgainz

    Jrgainz Junior Member

    Forgot to mention test e 500mg per week
     
  7. CyrilCyanide

    CyrilCyanide Member

    Let's say for a beginner taking test E 300mg/week and not 2wice a week for 10/12 weeks would pct still be practical since it's such a low dose?would it have to be novla + clomid? Or can it just be novla?
     
  8. Burrr

    Burrr Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Revisiting this old thread.... Why would LH be elevated from a cycle?
     
  9. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    Not from the cycle ... from SERMs [post pct].
     
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  10. Burrr

    Burrr Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    Dr Scally,
    just pulling some bullet points from this thread.

    You believe the number one cause of failed pct is starting too soon, before all exogenous test has left the system.

    You suggest a slight overlap of hcg use into the PCT

    You believe there is benefit from using both clomid and nolva, a synergistic effect between the 2.

    Any big changes to PCT protocol since 2014? Thanks for all you share with us here.
     
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  11. Zyzż_

    Zyzż_ Member

    bump please @Michael Scally MD
     
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  12. TheAngryHog

    TheAngryHog Member

    This is a great thread. I have 4500 iu hcg total that I'm planning to use sometime between my last pin and start of pct. I know its not a ton but, any suggestions for best use?
    Cycle will be 12 weeks Test E 500, aromasin eod or ed, pct nolva and clomid. First cycle for me.
     
  13. sir.bazyl

    sir.bazyl Junior Member

    To much info to absorb it at once. To many different point of views to choose a side, but definitely learned a lot from it.
    My only question is if I could skip hcg (reason: lack of source) and for pct do clomid and nolva and fully recover after a cycle???
    My cycle may be a little harsh to do so, but if you guys think that I will really need HCG than I will somehow find it.
    Cycle:
    Weak 1/12 Test p - 100/150mg eod
    Weak 1/8 tren a - 75/100mg eod
    Weak 6/12 Anavar 50mg ed
    Pct:
    How many days after last pin???
    Clomid: 100/100/50/50
    Nolva: 40/40/20/20
     
  14. growfrance

    growfrance Junior Member

    I remember reading some article saying than the nolva and clomid did have some kind of interaction when used together that decreased its efficacy, so just 1 of them could have similar effect. I can't find the article though, am I making it up? I have both of them for my pct in any case. Just wanted to know if any of you guys have read about that?
     
  15. Wood4days

    Wood4days Member

    Are you splitting up your pct like 50 clomid day and 50 night? Same with nova. Or are you taking all at once?
     
  16. Zyzż_

    Zyzż_ Member

    @Michael Scally MD just left the endocrinologist and he said (after I told him I’ve been aas for few years) to recover taper my test dose to like 40 mg of test so that if I took 40 on Monday by friday my lh and fsh will start waking up a little? Because of insufficient testosterone?


    Also he said hcg, clomid and nolvadex would still prolong recovery? He said I could take it but it’d still be suppressing my pituitary? He said the clomid would stimulate it but after I’d still feel like shit and it’d prolong recovery?

    He’s basically wanting me to taper off and then stopping completely I’m assuming. even after being on for 4 years but something seems off?
     
  17. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    Endo Name
     
  18. Zyzż_

    Zyzż_ Member

    Why do you need his name? (I have it just wanna know)
     
  19. Logan44551

    Logan44551 Member

    Seems like a well thought out pct to me. Gkad to see someone actually waiting for there test to clear prior to starting pct.
     
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  20. Zyzż_

    Zyzż_ Member

    If I may ask Will 2000IU cause primary hypogonadism for a male who’s trying to come off testosterone after 4yrs? Would this dose desensitize the testicles a lot of hcg wasn’t ever used ever? & will this pct plan even help pro bodybuilders come off steroids? & has there been any pro bodybuilder who recovered? @Michael Scally MD i sincerely appreciate all your data and it would be really nice if I may have your help