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Could anyone enlighten me as to why taking SERMs and HCG simultaneously would be a good or wouldn't be a good idea?

Since SERMs blocks estrogen from binding, wouldn't this be helpful since hcg may cause an increase in estrogen??
 
Hi I'm starting my pct and I'm not sure what's the right doesage and length of time. I was only on sustanon for 12 weeks about 500mg twice a week. Can somebody please guide me in the right direction asap. Also what happens if you start your pct too early. How much gains do people typically lose when they get off their cycle?
 
ApeShitFuckJacked said:
The first post will be edited today and I may include a torem option but it will depend upon him much time I have to research it.
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Hi I'm starting my pct and I'm not sure what's the right doesage and length of time. I was only on sustanon for 12 weeks about 500mg twice a week. Can somebody please guide me in the right direction asap. Also what happens if you start your pct too early. How much gains do people typically lose when they get off their cycle?
 
Hi I'm starting my pct and I'm not sure what's the right doesage and length of time. I was only on sustanon for 12 weeks about 500mg twice a week. Can somebody please guide me in the right direction asap. Also what happens if you start your pct too early. How much gains do people typically lose when they get off their cycle?
 
Hey folks, man I've just spent a couple hours reading this thread trying to make a final decision on pct/hcg I thought I had it figured out when I started.
Lots of good info from @Michael Scally MD
@Burrr
And @ApeShitFuckJacked

Would really appreciate some feedback.
Finished my first cycle last pin 2 days ago. Test e

Test E for 12 weeks
My plan was to start Hcg 1 week after last pin 250ius eod for 2 weeks

Than up.my hcg dose to 2000ius E3d for 2 weeks. This will allow me to go hard on the hcg 14 days b4 PCT with some overlap

Pct start 35 days after last test E pin.
Then run Clomid 100/100/50/50
Run nolva 40/40/20/20

Thoughts
 
Jrgainz said:
Hey folks, man I've just spent a couple hours reading this thread trying to make a final decision on pct/hcg I thought I had it figured out when I started.
Lots of good info from @Michael Scally MD
@Burrr
And @ApeShitFuckJacked

Would really appreciate some feedback.
Finished my first cycle last pin 2 days ago. Test e

Test E for 12 weeks
My plan was to start Hcg 1 week after last pin 250ius eod for 2 weeks

Than up.my hcg dose to 2000ius E3d for 2 weeks. This will allow me to go hard on the hcg 14 days b4 PCT with some overlap

Pct start 35 days after last test E pin.
Then run Clomid 100/100/50/50
Run nolva 40/40/20/20

Thoughts
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Forgot to mention test e 500mg per week
 
Let's say for a beginner taking test E 300mg/week and not 2wice a week for 10/12 weeks would pct still be practical since it's such a low dose?would it have to be novla + clomid? Or can it just be novla?
 
Michael Scally MD said:
I have found that 4 weeks off all meds (LH & TT) provides an excellent idea for HPTA Restoration. If the LH is still high, one might wait a few more weeks.

As far as hCG use, I suggest use during the cycle and the initial stages of PCT (after the last pin/oral).
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Revisiting this old thread.... Why would LH be elevated from a cycle?
 
Dr Scally,
just pulling some bullet points from this thread.

You believe the number one cause of failed PCT is starting too soon, before all exogenous test has left the system.

You suggest a slight overlap of HCG use into the PCT

You believe there is benefit from using both clomid and nolva, a synergistic effect between the 2.

Any big changes to PCT protocol since 2014? Thanks for all you share with us here.
 
This is a great thread. I have 4500 iu HCG total that I'm planning to use sometime between my last pin and start of PCT. I know its not a ton but, any suggestions for best use?
Cycle will be 12 weeks Test E 500, aromasin eod or ed, pct nolva and clomid. First cycle for me.
 
To much info to absorb it at once. To many different point of views to choose a side, but definitely learned a lot from it.
My only question is if I could skip HCG (reason: lack of source) and for pct do clomid and nolva and fully recover after a cycle???
My cycle may be a little harsh to do so, but if you guys think that I will really need HCG than I will somehow find it.
Cycle:
Weak 1/12 Test p - 100/150mg eod
Weak 1/8 Tren a - 75/100mg eod
Weak 6/12 Anavar 50mg ed
Pct:
How many days after last pin???
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
 
I remember reading some article saying than the nolva and clomid did have some kind of interaction when used together that decreased its efficacy, so just 1 of them could have similar effect. I can't find the article though, am I making it up? I have both of them for my pct in any case. Just wanted to know if any of you guys have read about that?
 
sir.bazyl said:
To much info to absorb it at once. To many different point of views to choose a side, but definitely learned a lot from it.
My only question is if I could skip HCG (reason: lack of source) and for pct do clomid and nolva and fully recover after a cycle???
My cycle may be a little harsh to do so, but if you guys think that I will really need HCG than I will somehow find it.
Cycle:
Weak 1/12 Test p - 100/150mg eod
Weak 1/8 Tren a - 75/100mg eod
Weak 6/12 Anavar 50mg ed
Pct:
How many days after last pin???
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
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Are you splitting up your pct like 50 clomid day and 50 night? Same with nova. Or are you taking all at once?
 
@Michael Scally MD just left the endocrinologist and he said (after I told him I’ve been aas for few years) to recover taper my test dose to like 40 mg of test so that if I took 40 on Monday by friday my lh and fsh will start waking up a little? Because of insufficient testosterone?


Also he said hcg, clomid and nolvadex would still prolong recovery? He said I could take it but it’d still be suppressing my pituitary? He said the clomid would stimulate it but after I’d still feel like shit and it’d prolong recovery?

He’s basically wanting me to taper off and then stopping completely I’m assuming. even after being on for 4 years but something seems off?
 
Zyzż_ said:
@Michael Scally MD just left the endocrinologist and he said (after I told him I’ve been aas for few years) to recover taper my test dose to like 40 mg of test so that if I took 40 on Monday by friday my lh and fsh will start waking up a little? Because of insufficient testosterone?


Also he said hcg, clomid and nolvadex would still prolong recovery? He said I could take it but it’d still be suppressing my pituitary? He said the clomid would stimulate it but after I’d still feel like shit and it’d prolong recovery?

He’s basically wanting me to taper off and then stopping completely I’m assuming. even after being on for 4 years but something seems off?
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Endo Name
 
Jrgainz said:
Hey folks, man I've just spent a couple hours reading this thread trying to make a final decision on pct/hcg I thought I had it figured out when I started.
Lots of good info from @Michael Scally MD
@Burrr
And @ApeShitFuckJacked

Would really appreciate some feedback.
Finished my first cycle last pin 2 days ago. Test e

Test E for 12 weeks
My plan was to start Hcg 1 week after last pin 250ius eod for 2 weeks

Than up.my hcg dose to 2000ius E3d for 2 weeks. This will allow me to go hard on the hcg 14 days b4 PCT with some overlap

Pct start 35 days after last test E pin.
Then run Clomid 100/100/50/50
Run nolva 40/40/20/20

Thoughts
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Seems like a well thought out pct to me. Gkad to see someone actually waiting for there test to clear prior to starting pct.
 
If I may ask Will 2000IU cause primary hypogonadism for a male who’s trying to come off testosterone after 4yrs? Would this dose desensitize the testicles a lot of hcg wasn’t ever used ever? & will this pct plan even help pro bodybuilders come off steroids? & has there been any pro bodybuilder who recovered? @Michael Scally MD i sincerely appreciate all your data and it would be really nice if I may have your help
 
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