Yea, i get extreme tiredness too, no matter what take to combat it, caffeine ir ECA, i stlll can fall asleep when its hitting, hence why i make sure to be actively in a cardio state when that occurs. But still the moment i sit down i fall asleep.
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It's not even a "oh I'm tired" feeling. It's more like an "I'm exhausted and don't even have the energy to get out of the shower to make my post workout shake" kind of lethargy.
Sounds ridiculous, but that's just been my experience.
I went back to doing the split shots, after experimenting with the BOLO before bed dosing scheme and not reall noticing any increased benefit of the BOLO dosing. I think I like the split shots better for fat loss and lipolysis as well, as well as maintaining more stable plasma concentrations throughout the day
I do my shot like 1 hour before I leave for the gym, so it's peaking right around the end of my gym session, when my energy stores are tapped, and also around the time I do 20 mins Low intensity cardio after my lift. I think that's part of the reason the lethargy hits me so hard.
I workout fasted + hard workout + gh induced lethargy + cardio = wicked fatigue
Sounds ridiculous, but that's just been my experience.
I went back to doing the split shots, after experimenting with the BOLO before bed dosing scheme and not reall noticing any increased benefit of the BOLO dosing. I think I like the split shots better for fat loss and lipolysis as well, as well as maintaining more stable plasma concentrations throughout the day
I do my shot like 1 hour before I leave for the gym, so it's peaking right around the end of my gym session, when my energy stores are tapped, and also around the time I do 20 mins Low intensity cardio after my lift. I think that's part of the reason the lethargy hits me so hard.
I workout fasted + hard workout + gh induced lethargy + cardio = wicked fatigue
Yeah this seems to be a pretty normal response. In-line with what I experience too honestly
Has an interesting chart showing subq plasma concentrations of rhgh over 24 hours. By 24 hours the plasma concentration is basically 0, but even at 12 hours there is a massivee falloff (plasma concetrations are about 25% of what they were at the 4 hour peak, after 12 hours)
So I know the overall concensus is "timing doesn't matter just get the hgh in" but the more I think about the concentration chart, the more I like the idea of splitting the dose
If I do a BOLO shot protocol before bed at 8pm for instance, by 8am the next morning, right before my workout, my gh concentrations levels are going to be low, but if I split the dose I can keep the plasma concentrations much higher throughout the day, which should equal better recovery and more fat loss? Just a concept I've been playing with lately.
I keep my am dose low to avoid making the lethargy worse. I'll do like 3iu fasted in the am, then I'm doing 6.5-8.5iu at night (1/2 vial of TP mauves and the ius vary batch to batch)
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I have been slowly upping my dose and figured once I went over 4 I would split. I am thinking of doing 2 in AM and 4 in PM. I usually don’t work out till after work except on the weekends but I gave up fasted lifting about a year ago, just wasn’t able to push like I wanted. This was a great post though.
My experience is similar to yours. Even 2 IUs can make me feel lethargic at about the same hour mark you mentioned.
If injecting a bolus, I take an hour before going to bed. If I split shots, Ill take before bed and mid day (or 1 hour before workout).
benfrankparkway
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Me too when i was on opti's grey tops it even shows on my face. I was injecting in the mornings. I switched to nights. Slept like baby
I have been on K4L since may and havent had any of the lethargy issues, but my sleep has been ruined at night.
songsofpyramids
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I found it easier to put on muscle with split dosing as well. I also found that split dosing took a bigger toll on my blood sugar levels than a single bolus at night.
Ateam2023
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i've also noticed my blood glucose levels change a bit from doing one bolus at night compared to split doses
AlexDavis43
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I've used around 10 IU/d, always split AM/PM, and never experienced any effects on energy, fatigue, sleepiness, sleep quality, etc. Same for pharma and UGL.
Deskoze38192
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Same here
10 IU’s daily (bolus at bedtime) no issues with fatigue or blood glucose
I take insulin pre and post workout so I check blood glucose at least 5 times daily
The issues with blood glucose while running HGH are diet related
Diet is everything
songsofpyramids
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After 8 months of use I no longer longer have any issues with sleep and can dose right before bed and be fine. Before I got used to it or whatever the science is behind it I was absolutely riddled with insomnia if I took it later in the day. Even at 8iu I’m fine now.
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songsofpyramids
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Super inclined to agree with this. I didn’t notice much of a blood sugar change till I hit 8iu and even then I really only noticed a difference when I ate like an idiot. Salty food and added sugar seemed to cause the most change for me. I don’t drink much ever but I noticed that really didn’t help the blood sugar issue.
I do 5iu a day split into 8+ injections (no life I know) I got to 733 igf-1 on only 5iu
Your lab test numbers are uncommon, your ref range is 207-576 so 733 is not that high. 733 is very high with a top range of ~300 instead of 576
its because im 18 the ref range is higher for younger people
the ref range is by age and lab my igf is still measured in ng/dl. Its very hard to get an igf over ~750 without increlex (rIGF-1)
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