Tren Question: Planning Macros to Avoid Side Effects

[MFAAS]

140mgs of tren ED is absolutely ridiculous!

Nah man you are just unreasonable. It's a perfect starter dose!

 

[MFAAS]

you don't change your whole diet because you shot some tren, what is your diet now>? it it working>. Are you gaining or losing weight like you want? are you lean>. You don't just shoot AAS and jack up food its not a miracle drug that will shift all the new food your eating into muscle, you can still get fat. Hopefully your diet is on point now and you can adjust it as needed just as you were doing before. if your not tracking calories, start. Maybe BWx12, then add or subtract each week as needed.

You are correct. I'm way ahead of all that though, so no problems there. I'm not an idiot or a n00b to this stuff. I've studied physiology and nutrition pretty extensively. My diet and training are on point--I don't need the basic advice. My diet is probably cleaner than 90% of the other people here.

Based off your response, I'm not sure if you realized that my question was extremely specific in regards to carbs and the tren sweating side effect. It was nothing about general diet or anything. Of course I track CICO--I've done so religiously for the last 8 years. I've been lifting for 12 years and lifting steady for 6 and have 5 cycles under my belt now. What you're saying isn't really relevant to things here. Not saying that you aren't correct. There are a lot of idiots out there that think steroids or SARMs will magically make them jacked. It is pretty pathetic and really speaks to how bad our education systems are in countries across the world that so many people are so scientifically illiterate and really haven't the slightest fucking clue what is going on inside their own body other than "my heart beats and I poop a lot."

Anyway, based off my reading a lot of people actually do seem to change their macros significantly when they do tren, and it often seems to be in an effort to avoid side effects, particularly sweating or night sweats. So what you said there about "don't change your whole diet because you shot some tren" really isn't true. My diet now doesn't really matter, but I'll tell you it is fucking ridiculously good. I have a tiny bit of fat left on my love handles I'm trying to get rid of, it is just super stubborn. I'm experimenting with a tren cycle to try to kick off that last bit of fat there.

As far as this post, the purpose is trying to gather info and anecdotes from other people who've done tren and maybe can help enlighten me as to their experience with tren/carbs/being hot/sweating.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

You are correct. I'm way ahead of all that though, so no problems there. I'm not an idiot or a n00b to this stuff. I've studied physiology and nutrition pretty extensively. My diet and training are on point--I don't need the basic advice. My diet is probably cleaner than 90% of the other people here.

Based off your response, I'm not sure if you realized that my question was extremely specific in regards to carbs and the tren sweating side effect. It was nothing about general diet or anything. Of course I track CICO--I've done so religiously for the last 8 years. I've been lifting for 12 years and lifting steady for 6 and have 5 cycles under my belt now. What you're saying isn't really relevant to things here. Not saying that you aren't correct. There are a lot of idiots out there that think steroids or SARMs will magically make them jacked. It is pretty pathetic and really speaks to how bad our education systems are in countries across the world that so many people are so scientifically illiterate and really haven't the slightest fucking clue what is going on inside their own body other than "my heart beats and I poop a lot."

Anyway, based off my reading a lot of people actually do seem to change their macros significantly when they do tren, and it often seems to be in an effort to avoid side effects, particularly sweating or night sweats. So what you said there about "don't change your whole diet because you shot some tren" really isn't true. My diet now doesn't really matter, but I'll tell you it is fucking ridiculously good. I have a tiny bit of fat left on my love handles I'm trying to get rid of, it is just super stubborn. I'm experimenting with a tren cycle to try to kick off that last bit of fat there.

As far as this post, the purpose is trying to gather info and anecdotes from other people who've done tren and maybe can help enlighten me as to their experience with tren/carbs/being hot/sweating.

Honestly
It seems like quite simply, you'll either be fine
or get sides.
and there isnt much to be done about it.

Anecdotally, it goes BOTH ways.
More Carbs = More sweat
Less Carbs = Mord sweat dependant on the individual

If I was in your shoes, supplement well... add something for the Trensomnia like Epitalon. (Or many other peptides work)

I already know your supplement game is on lockdown brother (weve discussed it before)

Cater your macros as you run it, your diet is already good.
I ended up eating more carbs AM and PWO, because tren makes me feel Hypo if I dont.

A friend of mine lowers carbs and feels better.

Have a good time with it and enjoy!
Ride the lightning and make minor changes dependant ln how you feel throughout the blast.

Good luck brother!

 

[MFAAS]

Honestly
It seems like quite simply, you'll either be fine
or get sides.
and there isnt much to be done about it.

Anecdotally, it goes BOTH ways.
More Carbs = More sweat
Less Carbs = Mord sweat dependant on the individual

If I was in your shoes, supplement well... add something for the Trensomnia like Epitalon. (Or many other peptides work)

I already know your supplement game is on lockdown brother (weve discussed it before)

Cater your macros as you run it, your diet is already good.
I ended up eating more carbs AM and PWO, because tren makes me feel Hypo if I dont.

A friend of mine lowers carbs and feels better.

Have a good time with it and enjoy!
Ride the lightning and make minor changes dependant ln how you feel throughout the blast.

Good luck brother!

Thanks man! Yeah I'm just trying to plan, I am a Type A personality and like to have shit figured out. I know I will just have to jump in, but I like to have as much info as possible first.

Yeah for sleep I think I'll be good and my other supplements are on point too.

So you were on a little over double the dose I'll be taking. I'm hoping the 140 mg should be easy on the system. Overall I response really well to AAS. Back when I messed with SARMs, RAD-140 gave me fucking horrendous insomnia, it was terrible I would get like 3 hours of sleep even just a week in.. I threw that shit in the garbage after 9 days.

I'm gonna start out with my normal macros which is 200-280 g carbs depending on training that day, 100 g fat, and 225 grams protein. 2600 cal total diet, should be easy to lose my target amount of weight each week! Plus I will be ramping up cardio somewhat now that it's biking season and nicer weather for hiking. Really getting excited to see how the tren affects muscle preservation and lifts

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Thanks man! Yeah I'm just trying to plan, I am a Type A personality and like to have shit figured out. I know I will just have to jump in, but I like to have as much info as possible first.

Yeah for sleep I think I'll be good and my other supplements are on point too.

So you were on a little over double the dose I'll be taking. I'm hoping the 140 mg should be easy on the system. Overall I response really well to AAS. Back when I messed with SARMs, RAD-140 gave me fucking horrendous insomnia, it was terrible I would get like 3 hours of sleep even just a week in.. I threw that shit in the garbage after 9 days.

I'm gonna start out with my normal macros which is 200-280 g carbs depending on training that day, 100 g fat, and 225 grams protein. 2600 cal total diet, should be easy to lose my target amount of weight each week! Plus I will be ramping up cardio somewhat now that it's biking season and nicer weather for hiking. Really getting excited to see how the tren affects muscle preservation and lifts

Sounds great!
If you're upping the cardio
Might want to have some lower dose Albuterol on standby.

The tren lung is very frustrating for cardio
Get winded while walking up the stairs sucks terribly.

I find if I pop 2mg Albuterol, I can push through the cardio.... it still KILLS your cardio, but it's not AS bad

 

[grey]

Thanks for sharing bro. In curious what dose and ester were you on?

Tren E - This has varied from me from as low as 150mg/week to MUCH HIGHER (don't do that).

Plus

Tren Base - 25 mg/day as part of a PWO mix I affectionately refer to as Satan's Own Cumshot.

 

[MFAAS]

Sounds great!
If you're upping the cardio
Might want to have some lower dose Albuterol on standby.

The tren lung is very frustrating for cardio
Get winded while walking up the stairs sucks terribly.

I find if I pop 2mg Albuterol, I can push through the cardio.... it still KILLS your cardio, but it's not AS bad

Is it really that bad on such a low dose? I have an albuterol inhaler I can use if needed.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Is it really that bad on such a low dose? I have an albuterol inhaler I can use if needed.

I was getting winded on 5x5s with a good rest at 350.
That being said, cardio has never been my strongpoint.

You'll be huffing some air lol

 

[beastWolf]

You're a hero @MFAAS for planning on a full Gram of Tren/week BUT……did you think about working up to that level week by week? Like maybe start at 300mg for Week1 then 450mg for Week 2…600, 750, 1000?? Every pro I've read about usually levels up to their Tren max after several weeks. Especially since this is your first time using Tren maybe some nuance would insure a better likelihood of success.

 

[maxx the dogg]

I've been on 700 mg Tren A a week for quite a few weeks now plus taking 200 mg DNP/day and I do sweat a bit in bed but it's not anything excessive. Mainly the back of my head and some on my chest. I'm not a big sweater anyway so maybe that's why, but I'm also not a big sides guy either so maybe I'm just lucky. Private source, 100% legit. Now if I was taking 400-600 mg DNP then I sweat like a pig.

 

[MFAAS]

You're a hero @MFAAS for planning on a full Gram of Tren/week BUT……did you think about working up to that level week by week? Like maybe start at 300mg for Week1 then 450mg for Week 2…600, 750, 1000?? Every pro I've read about usually levels up to their Tren max after several weeks. Especially since this is your first time using Tren maybe some nuance would insure a better likelihood of success.

Lol it was a typo I'm doing 140 mg per week

 

[MFAAS]

I've been on 700 mg Tren A a week for quite a few weeks now plus taking 200 mg DNP/day and I do sweat a bit in bed but it's not anything excessive. Mainly the back of my head and some on my chest. I'm not a big sweater anyway so maybe that's why, but I'm also not a big sides guy either so maybe I'm just lucky. Private source, 100% legit. Now if I was taking 400-600 mg DNP then I sweat like a pig.

I usually don't get much in way of sides either, but like to plan stuff carefully. That's a lot of tren! Illbe doing 20 mg ED (140 mg per week). Mught bump up to 25 mg per day if that goes well. Overall just looking for a little extra boost in muscle retention while I cut and lean out.

Never tried DNP. Shit scares me a bit. I do find it fascinating though.

 

[MFAAS]

I was getting winded on 5x5s with a good rest at 350.
That being said, cardio has never been my strongpoint.

You'll be huffing some air lol

Thankfully my cardio is super solid, the only thing that fucks with me is altitude. Man once i get over 12,000 feet I am struggling! I can freedive down 100 feet, have out for a few seconds and be good, but altitude gets me so wonky!!

 

[Spokeonawheel]

I've noticed far less night sweating while sitting at a lower BF and a lower weight than previous cycles.

I feel better with higher test, say 400 or above, on tren. But it seems to amplify the night sweats.

Feel better is a pretty broad term. I slept better and my joints and muscles felt better in the gym. Probably higher E2 with the higher test keeping the joints lubed. I don't aromatize much.... at all.

 

[rfan2020]

You are correct. I'm way ahead of all that though, so no problems there. I'm not an idiot or a n00b to this stuff. I've studied physiology and nutrition pretty extensively. My diet and training are on point--I don't need the basic advice. My diet is probably cleaner than 90% of the other people here.

Based off your response, I'm not sure if you realized that my question was extremely specific in regards to carbs and the tren sweating side effect. It was nothing about general diet or anything. Of course I track CICO--I've done so religiously for the last 8 years. I've been lifting for 12 years and lifting steady for 6 and have 5 cycles under my belt now. What you're saying isn't really relevant to things here. Not saying that you aren't correct. There are a lot of idiots out there that think steroids or SARMs will magically make them jacked. It is pretty pathetic and really speaks to how bad our education systems are in countries across the world that so many people are so scientifically illiterate and really haven't the slightest fucking clue what is going on inside their own body other than "my heart beats and I poop a lot."

Anyway, based off my reading a lot of people actually do seem to change their macros significantly when they do tren, and it often seems to be in an effort to avoid side effects, particularly sweating or night sweats. So what you said there about "don't change your whole diet because you shot some tren" really isn't true. My diet now doesn't really matter, but I'll tell you it is fucking ridiculously good. I have a tiny bit of fat left on my love handles I'm trying to get rid of, it is just super stubborn. I'm experimenting with a tren cycle to try to kick off that last bit of fat there.

As far as this post, the purpose is trying to gather info and anecdotes from other people who've done tren and maybe can help enlighten me as to their experience with tren/carbs/being hot/sweating.

relax, its a discussion board no need to get defensive lol

No idea why anyone would sweat more on tren, some people I guess get strange side affects I get none, never sweated or tren and if I did (I doubt it would be much( its not a reason to change. diet that is working. the diet that works best on Test or any AAS or natural is also the best diet on tren

id carb cycle regardless on tren, 40g fat a day, a good amount of protein 250-300g, the rest carbs. on your 2-4 non train days per week, eat higher. fat more carbs to get insulin sensitivity back

so in summary, If your diet is optimizing your look and gains, no need to change it. have you sweated so much on tren that it bothers you? or I believe this is your first tren run. no idea who told you they break out in sweat on tren id guess they were looking for sides and its placebo or they need to lose some weight.

never sweated on tren, if you do in sleep wear less clothing to turn on a fan IMO.

 

[rfan2020]

also, 140mg? I think your Too OCD, you view it as a positive and I have been in the same boat, be less OCD. less time worrying about the small things.

Run Then at 50m ED, or 50mg EOD if you want a baby dose. Then increase as needed. Guys who tend to over think this stuff never get better results. I know from past experience.

 

[MFAAS]

relax, its a discussion board no need to get defensive lol

No idea why anyone would sweat more on tren, some people I guess get strange side affects I get none, never sweated or tren and if I did (I doubt it would be much( its not a reason to change. diet that is working. the diet that works best on Test or any AAS or natural is also the best diet on tren

id carb cycle regardless on tren, 40g fat a day, a good amount of protein 250-300g, the rest carbs. on your 2-4 non train days per week, eat higher. fat more carbs to get insulin sensitivity back

so in summary, If your diet is optimizing your look and gains, no need to change it. have you sweated so much on tren that it bothers you? or I believe this is your first tren run. no idea who told you they break out in sweat on tren id guess they were looking for sides and its placebo or they need to lose some weight.

never sweated on tren, if you do in sleep wear less clothing to turn on a fan IMO.

I'm not sure how my post came across as defensive lol, there was definitely no defensive-ness in it at all. No worries though man.

I haven't even started the tren yet, I am just looking to plan ahead. I already sleep with a towel under me just from test ESPECIALLY as it will start to warm up first. My two main concerns around the sweats are:
- Potentially getting too hot and having it fuck with my sex life, i.e., can't finish because I'm just too damn hot (this has happened a few times before without tren when our room was hot).
- Just generally being uncomfortable, especially if like my friend said my head and ears get super hot--that's like the worst spot. I can deal with sweaty pits or a sweat back, but head and ears would be the worst.

I'll do things like make sure I have a fan available, even just sit an ice pack on my head/shoulders. Take cold showers... when fucking I'll have my girl do most of the work so I don't get too hot lol

Overall I get little-to-no sides from any AAS, so I am hopeful this will be the same!

I know I will just have to wait and see how I react to it. I am starting in 2 weeks, April 1st, so I won't need to wait long!

 

[Jet Labs]

Avoiding tren sides is like a pretty boy avoiding anal in prison, good luck to you

 

[MFAAS]

Avoiding tren sides is like a pretty boy avoiding anal in prison, good luck to you

Well I started on Monday so I will keep everyone updated. When I'm done I'll also provide a log of how it affected my mood over time. Since I use the app Bearable to track my mental health, I can see how different substances affect my mood, different symptoms such as irritability, lethargy, moodiness, my sleep, etc. I started using towards the end of my Test/NPP/anavar cycle about 2 months ago, so I unfortunately don't have any real baseline built up yet, but it'll still be interesting nonetheless.

 

[MFAAS]

Avoiding tren sides is like a pretty boy avoiding anal in prison, good luck to you

Also, that is why I got teeth surgically attached to by butthole. I have a big set of butthole teeth. It sucks that I have to brush and floss them after each bowel movement, but it's SO worth it for avoiding anal. Plus it looks super awesome, my girlfriend LOVES my butthole teeth!

...Okay that got really weird...