Guys you have to see this... Dave Palumbo rips Vigorous Steve

[OldGHGuy]

Doctors were injecting a substance that says right on the bottle for intramuscular injection? Idk id find a different doctor.

To be fair, my bottles of Test C say "For IM or Subq Injection". And both methods work equally for me based on blood tests

 

[lukiss96]

To be fair, my bottles of Test C say "For IM or Subq Injection". And both methods work equally for me based on blood tests

Same.

 

[Deleted member 135054]

Wat did Stevie say?

 

[readalot]

Don't make this in to an ideological debate. Only morons who don't have enough knowledge to compose proper arguments turn to populist ideologies and this thread certainly does contain some of the meso's finest; so newb's reading this thread, be advised.

Bertrand Russell approved. Perhaps more people should be watching his videos. But that's just wishful thinking on my part.

 

[Jin23]

Bertrand Russell approved. Perhaps more people should be watching his videos. But that's just wishful thinking on my part.

Haha, almost made it sound like he's a youtuber. Never really read or delve in to his work ...

 

[readalot]

Haha, almost made it sound like he's a youtuber. Never really read or delve in to his work ...

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd ; indeed, in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

Marriage and Morals, p. 58

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[OldGHGuy]

Marriage and Morals, p. 58

Marriage and morals : Russell, Bertrand, 1872-1970. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

archive.org

That reminds me of another favorite quote of mine:

One farmer says to me, 'You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with;' and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.

Henry David Thoreau, Walden

 

[skinnyfatboy]

I like Vigorous because he has a shitton of knowledge and always shares the citations for everything he says. I many times disagree with what he's saying, don't like his attitude and arrogance and from the moment you state you're here to spread the knowledge and stay away from the drama then fuckin do it man, no need to bash palumbo which he's an loser anyways or any other or liver king no matter what the fuck happened. Someone clarify please, wasn't palumbo selling fake seros 20 years ago trying to scam people? I remember some of them went to jail. This is true, ain't it? Because if it is, i can't trust anything that comes out from him.

Yeah did 5 months in 2004 for selling fake HGH.
Dave's only notable contribution to bodybuilding "PALUMBOISM" .

 

[Marineman]

I get all my knowledge from liver king and the tren twins.... All jokes aside I think one of the only real "experts" out there might be the anabolic doc Tom O'Connor but there is a catch....you need to buy his app. So many influencers out there you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt. We are all individuals and what works for you won't necessarily work for me.

 

[buzzingonaas]

I get all my knowledge from liver king and the tren twins.... All jokes aside I think one of the only real "experts" out there might be the anabolic doc Tom O'Connor but there is a catch....you need to buy his app. So many influencers out there you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt. We are all individuals and what works for you won't necessarily work for me.

The real thing is, doctors can’t be true anabolic experts yet because they just interpret studies. Maybe there are good scientists out there running controlled studies in secret, but until those studies come out, long-time bodybuilding coaches who have grown and learned from others and continue to update their way of thinking as well as taking in new studies are the closest to “experts” that I think we can get

 

[cmK9s33]

Doctors were injecting a substance that says right on the bottle for intramuscular injection? Idk id find a different doctor.

I don't know if you're being serious or not. Doctors routinely use medications off label to treat specific ailments. In other words, they experiment (with patient consent of course). Injecting oils subq is just another example of that. Best I can find is that doctors began testing subq on patients in late 2000's early 2010's, but it may have been earlier and not really recorded anywhere online. First study I can find was from 2015.

 

[lilhawk]

I like Vigorous because he has a shitton of knowledge and always shares the citations for everything he says. I many times disagree with what he's saying, don't like his attitude and arrogance and from the moment you state you're here to spread the knowledge and stay away from the drama then fuckin do it man, no need to bash palumbo which he's an loser anyways or any other or liver king no matter what the fuck happened. Someone clarify please, wasn't palumbo selling fake seros 20 years ago trying to scam people? I remember some of them went to jail. This is true, ain't it? Because if it is, i can't trust anything that comes out from him.

Yes Dave was selling fake Seros and did a short prison term for it. He's a clown, always has been always will be.

 

[Mongo966]

Yes Dave was selling fake Seros and did a short prison term for it. He's a clown, always has been always will be.

It was fake?

 

[Eddie.]

I think link from other forums are ok, right? If not please delete it

Is Dave Palumbo a scammer?

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[Jabroni_Meathead]

subq injecting oil gear is now a thing.

Plenty of actual medical studies of testosterone being injected subq vs IM. Not to mention the hundreds of TRT clinics that recommend it. My first trt clinic recommended it to me and now my personal doctor recommends it as well because it limits spikes and helps keep E2 low compared to IM.

Below is just one example. I dont think youtube is the reason as you suggest.

Testosterone Therapy With Subcutaneous Injections: A Safe, Practical, and Reasonable Option

 

[OldGHGuy]

Plenty of actual medical studies of testosterone being injected subq vs IM. Not to mention the hundreds of TRT clinics that recommend it. My first trt clinic recommended it to me and now my personal doctor recommends it as well because it limits spikes and helps keep E2 low compared to IM.

Below is just one example. I dont think youtube is the reason as you suggest.

Testosterone Therapy With Subcutaneous Injections: A Safe, Practical, and Reasonable Option

Meatheads that feel more manly by using larger needles and going down that extra inch should feel free to do so, though

 

[Juggy3838]

Meatheads that feel more manly by using larger needles and going down that extra inch should feel free to do so, though

lol I love the meathead revolt of “bro cycles are IM injections because that’s how it’s supposed to be done”

Why? Oh because an older dumb fucking meathead told you that? Or the biggest guy on your forums was like “you can’t inject 15ml a week subq…subq is silly.

Regardless that in a hospital ill
Have a drug….the same
God damn drug….and it can be ordered oral, subq, IM…or even IV.

But testosterone on works right IM. If you do it any other way, it magically changes into fairy dust which turns you gay.

 

[buzzingonaas]

lol I love the meathead revolt of “bro cycles are IM injections because that’s how it’s supposed to be done”

Why? Oh because an older dumb fucking meathead told you that? Or the biggest guy on your forums was like “you can’t inject 15ml a week subq…subq is silly.

Regardless that in a hospital ill
Have a drug….the same
God damn drug….and it can be ordered oral, subq, IM…or even IV.

But testosterone on works right IM. If you do it any other way, it magically changes into fairy dust which turns you gay.

No? These drugs are made in UGL with harsh solvents and when injected subq very often will lead to unsightly and very painful welts.

Subq is fine with certain labs but many of the sources on this board I would absolutely not pin subq

 

[ThinkDeroid]

Hope this threads help to shut up the anti subq crowd spamming their nonsense in many other threads.

I can do both IM and subq and both works - subq doesn't work with all gear as it gives fat lumps and super pip sometimes. I suspect lower quality gear and/or that I hit a blood vessel.

 

[ThinkDeroid]

No? These drugs are made in UGL with harsh solvents and when injected subq very often will lead to unsightly and very painful welts.

Subq is fine with certain labs but many of the sources on this board I would absolutely not pin subq

I totally agree. I have switched to another UGL source from this board and suddenly I can inject subq all the time, no pip (tested on Test, Primo, Mast), no red lumps. It's a quality issue.