Guys you have to see this... Dave Palumbo rips Vigorous Steve

[SenorSuperdrol]

even amongst relatively new guys this is still something they think. I’m not sure where they’re getting gear from but it seems this info is passed down from coach to coach and even with the new “victor black/J3U” coaches this is information that’s regurgitated

Yes exactly, it’s just a passed down old info I still see it get posted on Instagram by new “gear influencers.” They probably just buy their gear from some dude at the gym and not from a community with reviews I guess. Most of them have never even heard of Jano.

 

[AnabolicBill]

I have to say Dave Palumbo gives out really good and scientific based advise, I have personally learned a lot from his content - however Steve's videos are pretty much unwatchable to me.

 

[laclark89]

dave is one of the og mass monsters, has a degree in biology and is good freinds with chris aceto, they agree on alot of shit. You think dave dosent know what's up? The people here bashing him I bet have 1/10 of his experience an knowledge.

 

[lukiss96]

I have to say Dave Palumbo gives out really good and scientific based advise, I have personally learned a lot from his content - however Steve's videos are pretty much unwatchable to me.

I think it's the exact opposite.

 

[ChevChelios]

Not saying dave knows all but I agree with a lot of what he says and I have done what he says with crazy results. But its so fucking disrespectful for steve to shit on dave. Dave is an OG in this game, I know a lot of people dont like him but like ive said everthing I have implemented into my training, gear, diet from dave has worked well.

This is a fair point and unfortunately missing in a lot of our sport, ofc some of the OGs might have outdated info or not be as knowledgeable bout specific things but we should still show respect where it’s due, as without people like Dave who were honest about all this already back in the 90s (idk when specifically as I was a lil kid back then but ykno what I mean), paving the way for all these new ‘AAS gurus’ that seem to populate every part of YouTube rn.

Idk imo regardless of what personal beef you might have with a specific person you should still be smart enough to know that if that guy didn’t do the groundwork beforehand (Dave) your platform n livelihood (Steve) might not even exist.

I fw both of em n idk what specifically is makin em argue but yeah imo respect should be shown regardless, unless someone is just being an obtuse idiot but Dave doesn’t seem to be that type of guy from what ik.

Anyone know the reason behind this beef? I’m genuinely curious tf started this shit

 

[ChevChelios]

Palumbo is a quack. Steve is a bit better, but still a BPD "know it all" influencer.

And for the love of good, stop talking about mg's and start talking about ng/dl's. 250mg's is around 2000 to 2500 ng/dl at Tmax for a lot of people, with free T being a lot more then only 3x supra levels and that certainly constitutes as a cycle. For those for whom 250mg's equals only up to 1250 ng/dl, I agree, that's a waste, but still, if one wants to be careful, more power to him.

Don't make this in to an ideological debate. Only morons who don't have enough knowledge to compose proper arguments turn to populist ideologies and this thread certainly does contain some of the meso's finest; so newb's reading this thread, be advised.

This I agree, it’s something that shouldn’t be ideological at all but strictly subjective as some people like myself get to 1200 from just 120mg while others need to take double to just get to that, so me taking 250 will have a different effect than someone else who might respond differently n viceversa depends even on each compound too.

Unfortunately this sport of ours has always been super dogmatic (the BEST training program or the BEST diet, etc…) but in reality even there it’s only promo related as one program/diet will work wonders for one n do not much for another so imo this is just another offshoot of that, we really need to get out of that fkin mindset as there’s enough space for everyone n this shit is just dragging down the sport.

I doubt it will ever happen as we are way too tribalistic to do so but it would be way more helpful than what we currently have imo

 

[laclark89]

This is a fair point and unfortunately missing in a lot of our sport, ofc some of the OGs might have outdated info or not be as knowledgeable bout specific things but we should still show respect where it’s due, as without people like Dave who were honest about all this already back in the 90s (idk when specifically as I was a lil kid back then but ykno what I mean), paving the way for all these new ‘AAS gurus’ that seem to populate every part of YouTube rn.

Idk imo regardless of what personal beef you might have with a specific person you should still be smart enough to know that if that guy didn’t do the groundwork beforehand (Dave) your platform n livelihood (Steve) might not even exist.

I fw both of em n idk what specifically is makin em argue but yeah imo respect should be shown regardless, unless someone is just being an obtuse idiot but Dave doesn’t seem to be that type of guy from what ik.

Anyone know the reason behind this beef? I’m genuinely curious tf started this shit

Finally a reply with a little common sence. I'm disappointed in all the well known members responses to this should have been siminlar.

That's like saying f arnold he dident know shit lmao.

It's the human body, do u think it has evolved over the past 40 years compared to the what 100,000s of thousands we have been around.

Yea the reason behind it is steve started firing shots at dave for views, when like u said Steve probably learned alot of shit from Dave's info hes put out over the past what 30+ years?

 

[ThinkDeroid]

Also from Thailand he buys only the Bayer testoviron. Primo, HGH and HCG he buys from Turkey

If you buy the Bayer Testoviron made in Pakistan in Thailand you must have a lot of faith in believing it's not fake.

I wouldn't touch anything out of Turkey... this is the same as the Paki Testoviron, placebo effect thinking "that's stuff is legit" is probably most effective.

 

[laclark89]

And if you use only 250 mg's it goes a step beyond and you become a lady boy.

I respect the knowledge u have but u always post somthing homosexual, " nothing wrong with that these days if that's what ur into, or test should go off blood work an body weight. I agree with u on that 100% its just common sence. Just like most other compounds in this world.

Dave's a quack? Are u a more educated knowledgeable and better built bodybuilder. And a more successful coach? Or a hater?

 

[Juicedhead]

This is a fair point and unfortunately missing in a lot of our sport, ofc some of the OGs might have outdated info or not be as knowledgeable bout specific things but we should still show respect where it’s due, as without people like Dave who were honest about all this already back in the 90s (idk when specifically as I was a lil kid back then but ykno what I mean), paving the way for all these new ‘AAS gurus’ that seem to populate every part of YouTube rn.

Idk imo regardless of what personal beef you might have with a specific person you should still be smart enough to know that if that guy didn’t do the groundwork beforehand (Dave) your platform n livelihood (Steve) might not even exist.

I fw both of em n idk what specifically is makin em argue but yeah imo respect should be shown regardless, unless someone is just being an obtuse idiot but Dave doesn’t seem to be that type of guy from what ik.

Anyone know the reason behind this beef? I’m genuinely curious tf started this shit

it started with steve saying daves fertility protcol is horseshit. Steves actual words were horseshit. I was a kid in the 90s too im 30. But the reason I like dave is because he just makes it really simple and Ive always found that that is what most people are going to actually be able to use the information and learn from it. Being a wanna be scientist like steve and spitting out all this crazy big words and shit info no one can even use becaue they dont understand wtf hes even trying to say.

 

[Eddie.]

If you buy the Bayer Testoviron made in Pakistan in Thailand you must have a lot of faith in believing it's not fake.

I wouldn't touch anything out of Turkey... this is the same as the Paki Testoviron, placebo effect thinking "that's stuff is legit" is probably most effective.

I'm pretty sure it's not the pakistani but the german one.

 

[Jin23]

This thread continues to deliver.

One mention of Dave Palumbo's name and it's like a lamp has been turned on in the middle of a hot august night - only instead of moths, half witted idiots start incessantly buzzing around. It's a solid testament to the audience he caters to and the quality of information he provides.

I respect the knowledge u have but u always post somthing homosexual, " nothing wrong with that these days if that's what ur into

Are you special?

 

[laclark89]

This thread continues to deliver.

One mention of Dave Palumbo's name and it's like a lamp has been turned on in the middle of a hot august night - only instead of moths, half witted idiots start incessantly buzzing around. It's a solid testament to the audience he caters to and the quality of information he provides.



Are you special?

A little, lol

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Dave Palumbo flexing his failed attempt at medical school. lol

did he even actually get a bachelor's degree?

 

[buzzingonaas]

If you buy the Bayer Testoviron made in Pakistan in Thailand you must have a lot of faith in believing it's not fake.

I wouldn't touch anything out of Turkey... this is the same as the Paki Testoviron, placebo effect thinking "that's stuff is legit" is probably most effective.

so ur saying the turkish Geno’s i’ve been eyeing are likely fake pharma?

 

[laclark89]

Dave Palumbo flexing his failed attempt at medical school. lol

did he even actually get a bachelor's degree?

Mabe from the prison he was at for selling fake gh kits to his client's lol.

 

[ThinkDeroid]

so ur saying the turkish Geno’s i’ve been eyeing are likely fake pharma?

I am in Bulgaria near the Turkey border and had one of the Pfizer HGH pen with package in hand a few months ago and memorized it and later checked it online how fakes look like and it was exactly how it described... wrong colors and so.

I don't think you get real ones buying it from randoms online but in real pharmacies you'll probably have higher chance of getting the real stuff but still need to be extra careful.

Example: "Shering" / "MSD" Pregnyl 5000 iu in this specific white box is still sold in Turkish pharmacies (and in many other places online) even though it is not made anymore. Somebody just took it and continue making it and nobody knows that it's a complete fake because originals are not sold anywhere.

The Pfizer pens have a lot of colors and stuff to look out for so it's possible to spot fakes.

 

[Nattydaddy215]

Dave always gives out really good info on gear and anything bodybuilding related. People dont like it because the answers are simple but thats the truth about it. Its simple things that are done on daily basis for long periods of time that build a champion bodybiuilder. Its not some crazy over complicated process. Im not making this up i saw a video of steve saying how to use tren safety and the guy literally lists off like 10 ancillaries that you would need to take to run tren "safely" the costs of the ancillaries alone would be insane. Not to mention tren cant be used safely. He just over complicates the hell out of it.

Hey I’m new here I don’t really know how this works all great yet how to message people and stuff but I’m looking for a new source I’m getting ready to make a decent order I have a good source I use but I want a better one if I can find I would say my source name on here but I don’t know if I’m aloud to say the name of the brand it is

 

[ThinkDeroid]

I'm pretty sure it's not the pakistani but the german one.

I bought 10x boxes besides other stuff in 2018 or 2019 in Bangkok in a pharmacy (South East Pharmacy besides Sofitel Sukhumvit). It was Paki. And yeah, I believed that it wasn't fake. Now I am not so sure anymore and next time I would go the route through a TRT clinic and get the stuff from a pharmacy which doesn't give it without a prescription.

 

[RomanMVP]

Bertrand Russell approved. Perhaps more people should be watching his videos. But that's just wishful thinking on my part.

One of my favorite authors. Glad you brought him up.