Scammers.

Gbaby12

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I haven't found any recent threads on thins and thought it would be helpful to make one. I have yet to be scammed, my source so far has been reliable "fingers crossed", but I feel it would be helpful to the community and lurkers off the web to have a list of people not to buy from. I feel that sources should not be given away, but I think that scammers should be put on the spot rightly so to prevent others from falling victim. It's bad that people get burned and lose their money, but what is really bad is someone buying bunk stuff and putting lots of effort into getting nothing, that's bullshit. Who knows what the person that has been scammed is ingesting or injecting, people can get infections and even die. So I think it's just to have this list of people whom have scammed you or that you know are known scammers. thanks
 
I haven't found any recent threads on thins and thought it would be helpful to make one. I have yet to be scammed, my source so far has been reliable "fingers crossed", but I feel it would be helpful to the community and lurkers off the web to have a list of people not to buy from. I feel that sources should not be given away, but I think that scammers should be put on the spot rightly so to prevent others from falling victim. It's bad that people get burned and lose their money, but what is really bad is someone buying bunk stuff and putting lots of effort into getting nothing, that's bullshit. Who knows what the person that has been scammed is ingesting or injecting, people can get infections and even die. So I think it's just to have this list of people whom have scammed you or that you know are known scammers. thanks
Talk about ironic OP I PM'ed @Millard Baker on this exact topic last week. Haha Meso needs a sticky "Scammers thread"
 
Tell that too the members who have been here for yrs brother. ;) @Les your correct @John Evans aka Dharma is shady.

Edit- Hey @Sk8man101 off topic how is the area feeling now after surgery? I'm getting pains still and if I stretch it still hurts. Wtf :oops:
So my scar on the top is sensitive so when I do my preacher curls it pretty uncomfortable. But I'm going back up in weight I've put on like 5-6 pounds. The pain when stretching did finally subside maybe 2 weeks ago.

I actually stopped working out after that week I was back in the gym to recover, my workouts seriously sucked cause my core was all jacked up, so I just took two more weeks off.

On a side note Onyx Pharma should be added to the list of scammers.
 
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Talk about ironic OP I PM'ed @Millard Baker on this exact topic last week. Haha Meso needs a sticky "Scammers thread"
It's necessary on any forums of this kind, We have a group of people getting gear and I think it's only fair to make each other aware of what to avoid, If people can throw a fit about you running a garbage cycle and provide info on what you should run, I thinks that same effort can go into providing info on who's shit not to run or purchase from. A Scam list offers Justice, like yelp or amazon does. you go to a restaurant got and got fucked right and left you can hop on yelp and tell people its a shitty place. you buy a product on amazon and receive something else you can give it 1 star and tell people you got screwed. So a Scamlist offers power to the buyer and a little revenge. Yeah loads of variables go into it, but I think its fair to say if you DID NOT receive product or got bunk gear the lab should be listed as a Scammer. Even if they don't scam everyone, they screwed up and should have to face the consequence, provide good service or you will be called out for not doing so.
 
Tell that too the members who have been here for yrs brother. ;) @Les your correct @John Evans aka Dharma is shady.

Edit- Hey @Sk8man101 off topic how is the area feeling now after surgery? I'm getting pains still and if I stretch it still hurts. Wtf :oops:
Also bro what I was getting at is like we see a lot of people on here jumping to conclusions thinking they got ripped off by pharmacom cause it took longer than a week to get their international package or some shit. Or like they get some weird pain for stupid pinning practices and blame the gear.

I think a list of shills might work, or some sort of thing where members vote to brand someone as a troll or shill. Maybe like make it so all the awesome members can take a vote or some crap like that.


Also another side note elite genetics did openly admit to sending a 'customer' bunk gear. And if I can remember gave up personal information via pm right?
 
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GH proven way underdosed and did not refund customers.(guaranteed). Stay away he's a thief.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/godt240-super-promo-pharma-grade-hgh-240iu-only-264.134378141/ (GODT240 super promo--Pharma grade HGH 240iu only 264$)


Edit- @Sk8man101

Shills
 
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What if we had like a "buyer beware" type forum/thread where people can post up their issues in detail.
I do agree that people jump the gun and make wrong accusations and if they do this they're at fault, Accusations should be made with some backing of proof or support it, and if made false there should be an apology providing support to the seller, everyone is free to speak their mind but if their being a shill, a troll, or an idiot, its up to other members to call them out for it to prevent misinformation. Because of this it is nearly impossible to have a flawless scam list, but there does need to be one.
 
For those who are not aware of my thinking on GTG lists and scammer lists, here's some background:

There are many reasons I don't think MESO should get involved in determining which UGLs/sources are good or, in this case, which sources are bad.

By making an administrative decision to label some UGLs/sources as BAD, the implication is that those not labeled as such are GOOD.

But really, I think the desire to place sources/UGLs in the GOOD or BAD category represents a false dichotomy.

The pharmaceutical-quality, human-grade, FDA-regulated testosterone enanthate that you purchase from your local pharmacy - that is GOOD.

The truth is ALL sources/UGLs are BAD. It's the black market. Of course, they're going to suck. The question is how much, in what ways and to what degree.

MESO's position is to categorically discourage the participation in the black market instead of selectively discouraging the use of some black market sources or encouraging the use of other black market sources. Don't break the law - don't buy from ANY of them!

I understand the concern about efficiently communicating rapidly changing developments in the black market. It may be a good idea to create a thread to make case against a particular vendor e.g. "Case against XYZ Labs" or "Do NOT buy from XYZ Labs".

What I would recommend against is calling every BAD lab a scammer. The word "scammer" is so overused that it is has become largely uninformative. As a result, it is often dismissed by a significant percentage of consumers.

There are many instances where "known scammers" continue to recruit hundreds of customers many of which are mostly satisfied with the service; customers who have repeated positive experiences with a source aren't going give much credibility to a generic, non-specific scammer alert.

This doesn't mean that there is no basis for the scammer alert. It just means that the reasons for the scammer alert have not been communicated in a manner that adequately warns consumers of potential problems with a source.

Rather than paint BAD sources with broad designations only, it would be much more useful and effective to provide explicit detail. In essence, create a thread and make a case, including as much detail as possible, about why consumers should not use a particular vendor. For example, here is a non-inclusive list of reasons that vendors have fallen under the umbrella of the "scammer" designation. The availability of these reasons may allow consumers to make better decisions.
  • Arrested by law enforcement
  • Supply and/or distribution chain arrested by law enforcement
  • Becomes confidential informant for law enforcement
  • Takes money and never ships product
  • Takes money and selectively ships product
  • Very complicated/restrictive/ambiguous reship policy in instances of customs seizure
  • Only re-ships once in instances of customs seizure notice
  • Never re-ships in instances of customs seizure
  • Ships product with microbial contamination or visible contaminants
  • Ships underdosed product
  • Ships product with androgen other than that listed on label
  • Ships product with no detectable androgens
  • Ships wrong product or does not ship entire order
  • Misrepresents UGL products as FDA-approved
  • Does not offer replacement products to dissatisfied customers
  • Packages shipped in a sloppy manner that results in damaged product
  • Packages shipped in insecure manner that increases risk of customs seizure
  • Takes excessive amount of time to ship order
  • Responds to negative customer feedback with threats of violence or other
  • Responds to negative customer feedback with organized shill attack
  • Responds to negative customer feedback with dismissive or rude responses
  • Customer service is inconsistent
  • Takes excessive amount of time to respond to inquiries
  • Fails to provide secure email address
  • Fails to provide pictures of paraphernalia used in production
  • Sells overpriced product
  • Source is new and has no feedback and/or history

For what's it worth, hardly anybody cares to provide this level of evidence/detail. One notable exception was @weighted chinup - this is how is should be done for every scammer claim:

MANWHORE / Voodoo has sold members under dosed gear, bunk gear, gear that has failed HPLC testing, gear that has led to members being hospitalized, products that have failed labmax tests, products that have performed poorly on bloodtests, under filled vials, and bunk gear brewed with poor sterility.

MANWHORE has also demonstrated deranged and incredibly dangerous behavior. MANWHORE has made up lies about Meso members in order to discredit them and to silence them. MANWHORE has also accused customers of being reverse scammers without evidence, and has accused members of being reps for competing companies without evidence in an attempt to discredit them.

MANWHORE does not take any security measures, and by openly selling gear without obfuscating his identity, he presents an incredible risk to potential customers.

MANWHORE has indicated through his postings on Meso a severe lack of sterility in the brewing process, a lack of testing of finished products, a lack of testing of raw materials, as well as a poor understanding of brewing gear safely. MANWHORE / Voodoo gear is therefore a huge risk to consumers who are looking to avoid infection.

MANWHORE also discredits any form of testing performed on his gear, including HPLC, labmax, and blood tests. MANWHORE actively mocks and makes fun of members testing his gear.

Specific Instances of MANWHORE's deranged / dangerous behavior and potential dangers to consumers.


MANWHORE / Voodoo has had more issues with security, product, and customer service than most other labs have had in such a short period of time on Meso.

Members should avoid MANWHORE / Voodoo gear.

If scammer lists included posts like this, they would be incredibly useful.
 
For those who are not aware of my thinking on GTG lists and scammer lists, here's some background:

For what's it worth, hardly anybody cares to provide this level of evidence/detail. One notable exception was @weighted chinup - this is how is should be done for every scammer claim:

If scammer lists included posts like this, they would be incredibly useful.

I think that post on Vodoo is phenomenal and it would be great to have more post like it, anyone who reads that would surely never go to him ever without argument due to the amount of evidence provided. Unfortunately a substantially about of evidence can't be provided with every accusation so it is left up to the reader to decide on claims that lack that basis of evidence.

It could still be a scam list but if people noted this it would be helpful:
-Arrested by law enforcement
  • Supply and/or distribution chain arrested by law enforcement
  • Becomes confidential informant for law enforcement
  • Takes money and never ships product
  • Takes money and selectively ships product
  • Very complicated/restrictive/ambiguous reship policy in instances of customs seizure
  • Only re-ships once in instances of customs seizure notice
  • Never re-ships in instances of customs seizure
  • Ships product with microbial contamination or visible contaminants
  • Ships underdosed product
  • Ships product with androgen other than that listed on label
  • Ships product with no detectable androgens
  • Ships wrong product or does not ship entire order
  • Misrepresents UGL products as FDA-approved
  • Does not offer replacement products to dissatisfied customers
  • Packages shipped in a sloppy manner that results in damaged product
  • Packages shipped in insecure manner that increases risk of customs seizure
  • Takes excessive amount of time to ship order
  • Responds to negative customer feedback with threats of violence or other
  • Responds to negative customer feedback with organized shill attack
  • Responds to negative customer feedback with dismissive or rude responses
  • Customer service is inconsistent
  • Takes excessive amount of time to respond to inquiries
  • Fails to provide secure email address
  • Fails to provide pictures of paraphernalia used in production
  • Sells overpriced product
  • Source is new and has no feedback and/or history
OR TO PUT IT MORE SIMPLE AS @Sk8man101 said, BUYER BEWARE!
 
A scam list is necessary but there should not be a GTG list I don't think sources should be given out for privacy reasons, for reasons of Law enforcement, false advertising and shills, and again if LE gets a list of top steroid suppliers those are the labs they will target. Also every clown on the internet shouldn't be able to just pull up a list and get gear. Its righteous to prevent that clown from losing his money or getting hurt, but if he wants that info he should have to dig for it, work for it, and research. I got most of my learning about gear done while trying to find myself a good source.
 
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