Scoc/Musings of a madman

[Do3Gs]

So happy 2015 everyone! I have been noticing a few things lately that disturb me a bit and feel the need to address them in no particular order.

1. The scoc is well Intentioned, but for all intents and purposes it is worthless. The ideas are great but not enforceable. The division among meso membership even has people telling the source not to worry about conforming to the scoc- they will get orders no matter what. They are right.

2. The approach taken with new sources is wrong in my opinion. All this chest thumping, ego driven attack puts the "source" on the defensive. .. but I feel it undermines our credibility not only "on the street", but also among other members old and new. If we are confrontational to the extreme in the beginning and at the end, plus eveey time we sense an issue we simply become a parody of ourselves... Why not take the approach that the ideas in the scoc be the questions we calmly ask the source about? Why flip out when they say no to something? We can't do shit about it anyway, right? Just make it known why we feel it is a concern they do not reveal or follow tenets of the scoc.

3. Stop harassing newbies who buy- and that means don't smash the thread with "DO NOT BUY SCAMMER" shit when we actually have no proof of scamming... it seems we just yell scammer when they refuse to bend toward our egomaniacal ways- and that isn't right either. People that buy- newbies especially- are gonna buy pretty much no matter what. If we encourage feedback, encourage bloods and encourage labmax use by new members we will have an ever-expanding network of like minded, knowledgeable colleagues. Instead of getting burned and sheepishly running back silently with their tail between their legs they will provide valuable feedback.

4. More bloods. More labmax. We are doing great- I think the strength for the future lies in a larger, well informed membership of empowered individuals. When someone posts asking for a source someone should be VERY NICE- AND NOBODY SHOULD BE A FUCKING ASSHOLE IN THE THREAD. This drives them right to the scammer sources with their flashing neon lights for the ignorant. Explain things. Cut and paste a "reasons why" for a newbie thread. Something that doesn't make someone buy from a scammer and leave the board thinking we are the assholes who drove them to it.

We need more of us- not more enemies. I am finished taking the gargantuan shit I took as I wrote this but I would like to hear feedback from both sides of the fence.

@Millard Baker @Burrr @CensoredBoardsSuck @Oregongearhead @weighted chinup @Masters Power @johnnyBALLZ @flenser @pumpingiron22 @Colt44 @Voltrader @gr8whitetrukker @biggerben69

If I forgot to tag you just be happy you aren't on my mind while I take a shit.

Not gonna lie I didn't read this whole thread but skimmed thru a few of the first pages. I feel this thread needs to be put back out in the active timeline. I for one have very little knowledge of AAS or TRT and most of what I've learned has been from here or enough info here for me to google the rest. I read awhile here before joining, so I knew to not come in asking for info and the like but to read and study. I always try to research any big purchases and if it's going in my body then definitely. That's what drew me here.

The fact that saying "IT'S FIRE" holds no water here and testing & bloods are asked for and held as the standard is so productive. It not only lets the community see quality of a product and to an extent the source but it pushes noobs to get in sync with their bodies as they progress and use these substances.

I wasn't even contemplating that low testosterone could be an issues for me until I started reading here and decided to have my DR test me, low and behold.... I'm rambling I know but I guess the point is like stated in the quote guide the uninformed, ignorant, and newbies here instead of to so many of them other forums where everything is FIRE just because the rep says so and don't question that. Let the testing continue to be passed on to the users to come.

 

[new to the game]

Great points. The trick will be getting everyone (including newbs) to understand the importance of testing. Bloodwork, MS and labmax will naturally weed out the scammers. Plus, us viciously attacking a source verbally doesn't seem to run them off - only create trolls.

If we create the rep of a true testing board, scammers will eventually be less likely to want to source here AND it will drive more traffic to Meso.

Now the asshole sources that start off with the arrogance mentality, is a whole different ballgame. They're usually just pissed we called out their scam from the get go. Some guys are actually trying though.

Is there a blood work discussion topic. I feel like i skimmed and didnt see any that broke it down to a 101 level.

 

[new to the game]

Sorry, I'm ignorant.. what does SCOC stand for?

 

[Do3Gs]

Is there a blood work discussion topic. I feel like i skimmed and didnt see any that broke it down to a 101 level.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "broke it down to a 101 level" but maybe these 2 stickies can help.

The Basics of Ordering Bloodwork

***MESO Blood Work Testing Protocol***

Sorry, I'm ignorant.. what does SCOC stand for?

I believe it means "Source Code of Conduct" I could be wrong and if so I hope someone corrects me.

 

[new to the game]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "broke it down to a 101 level" but maybe these 2 stickies can help.

The Basics of Ordering Bloodwork

***MESO Blood Work Testing Protocol***

I believe it means "Source Code of Conduct" I could be wrong and if so I hope someone corrects me.

Thanks man. Acronyms aren't my strong suit unless its during a game of Balderdash, then I'm gold

 

[Spooby]

Good thread. Never thought about all of this before

 

[Crazy-Canuck]

I would never sell AAS online so maybe I just don't get it.

I don't get why sources answer any of your questions at all. Meso has no mods therefore no one's behaviour is accountable to anyone neither is a sources or wannabe sources.

Why doesn't said source just say. ..if you're rude I will not respond. If you're rude i will not sell to you. No matter how much time has passed. The end.

As I say....maybe I just don't understand.

 

[Big_paul]

I would never sell AAS online so maybe I just don't get it.

I don't get why sources answer any of your questions at all. Meso has no mods therefore no one's behaviour is accountable to anyone neither is a sources or wannabe sources.

Why doesn't said source just say. ..if you're rude I will not respond. If you're rude i will not sell to you. No matter how much time has passed. The end.

As I say....maybe I just don't understand.

Actually we have done well. jmo

 

[Crazy-Canuck]

Actually we have done well. jmo

I guess you guys wouldn't be so rude if it didn't work. I just don't get why they put up with it...lol. Sit there and take it and try to act cordial instead of just /ignore...

Buuuutttt there's a lot if money to be made here...that's the only reason I can think of....why anyone would.

 

[bickel29]

I don't get why sources answer any of your questions at all. Meso has no mods therefore no one's behaviour is accountable to anyone neither is a sources or wannabe sources.

Sources answer questions in an attempt to build rapport and trust amongst a new audience unfamiliar with the source (the Meso community).

Sources answer questions when they have nothing to hide, or want to create the impression that they have nothing to hide.

Sources answer questions because they find that like most things in life, it's easier to catch flies with honey, than with vinegar.

Sources answer questions because they have seen the resulting struggles of past sources that were combative and didn't answer questions.

Sources answer questions because the last time that they set up shop here at Meso under a different name, and didn't pacify Meso members by doing so, they had a very rough go at it, and they are now returning with a new brand name and trying to gain acceptance.

Just some of the reasons a source would answer questions.

 

[Big_paul]

I guess you guys wouldn't be so rude if it didn't work. I just don't get why they put up with it...lol. Sit there and take it and try to act cordial instead of just /ignore...

Buuuutttt there's a lot if money to be made here...that's the only reason I can think of....why anyone would.

Brother I haven't seen rude for some time. When rude breaks out, It's something you will not soon forget.

 

[Crazy-Canuck]

Brother I haven't seen rude for some time. When rude breaks out, It's something you will not soon forget.

I read almost the whole 24k pharma thread...like 300 pages....it was rude.

I don't know if it's cause of anonymous nature if the Internet or little man syndrome or they were picked on in school and feel big now that they're really just little kids in a gorilla suit.

Or maybe they're just all trolls who are trying to get a rise out if people.

1 thing though. If that's how they speak to people in their lives it's not hard to see why they need to hide out on the Internet everyday. No real friends...lol.

Obviously the above is satire but you know....things that make you go hmmmm mm. ....

 

[Crazy-Canuck]

Sources answer questions in an attempt to build rapport and trust amongst a new audience unfamiliar with the source (the Meso community).

Sources answer questions when they have nothing to hide, or want to create the impression that they have nothing to hide.

Sources answer questions because they find that like most things in life, it's easier to catch flies with honey, than with vinegar.

Sources answer questions because they have seen the resulting struggles of past sources that were combative and didn't answer questions.

Sources answer questions because the last time that they set up shop here at Meso under a different name, and didn't pacify Meso members by doing so, they had a very rough go at it, and they are now returning with a new brand name and trying to gain acceptance.

Just some of the reasons a source would answer questions.

Yeah. I get that but sources owe you exactly nothing. You have no power. There's no mods. Plus a source isn't really after the vets who already have their own sources he's after the kids and their friends who happen to mediocre at JV football. The newbies.

I get what you're saying. I do. The source wants to fit in. But it's like he's being led to the execution pole smoking a cigarette blindfolded....lol.

It's about money though. It's always about money. Who has it. Who wants it and who's getting it.

 

[GigaloRob]

I read almost the whole 24k pharma thread...like 300 pages....it was rude.

I don't know if it's cause of anonymous nature if the Internet or little man syndrome or they were picked on in school and feel big now that they're really just little kids in a gorilla suit.

Or maybe they're just all trolls who are trying to get a rise out if people.

1 thing though. If that's how they speak to people in their lives it's not hard to see why they need to hide out on the Internet everyday. No real friends...lol.

Obviously the above is satire but you know....things that make you go hmmmm mm. ....

You just joined here and you make comments like this not knowing how things are done here and why. What appears harsh or trolling to you is necessary for the safety of members here. There is a reason to the grilling and so called rudeness here. You won't understand it simply because you don't have the history here to understand the point of it. Like it or not it serves a valuable purpose.

 

[GigaloRob]

Yeah. I get that but sources owe you exactly nothing. You have no power. There's no mods. Plus a source isn't really after the vets who already have their own sources he's after the kids and their friends who happen to mediocre at JV football. The newbies.

I get what you're saying. I do. The source wants to fit in. But it's like he's being led to the execution pole smoking a cigarette blindfolded....lol.

It's about money though. It's always about money. Who has it. Who wants it and who's getting it.

Since the board is free to setup shop at and is uncensored that is more of a reason to be hard on new sources that come here. As you said most vets have their source and new sources are after the newer guys. Those are the ones that need protected the most.

 

[Big_paul]

I read almost the whole 24k pharma thread...like 300 pages....it was rude.

I don't know if it's cause of anonymous nature if the Internet or little man syndrome or they were picked on in school and feel big now that they're really just little kids in a gorilla suit.

Or maybe they're just all trolls who are trying to get a rise out if people.

1 thing though. If that's how they speak to people in their lives it's not hard to see why they need to hide out on the Internet everyday. No real friends...lol.

Obviously the above is satire but you know....things that make you go hmmmm mm. ....

Read Karius. That's rude.

 

[Crazy-Canuck]

You just joined here and you make comments like this not knowing how things are done here and why. What appears harsh or trolling to you is necessary for the safety of members here. There is a reason to the grilling and so called rudeness here. You won't understand it simply because you don't have the history here to understand the point of it. Like it or not it serves a valuable purpose.

I was around pre SSB days but I forgot my Pw it was so long ago. I left online boards in 2007 then again in 2012 cause of the drama and the busts. Just came back recently. Been online bb forums since about 2003. That's besides the point.

So acting like an elitist asshole is good for the board? Does it encourage new members to join and grow the board or does it act as insulation for the perceived privileged few so they can finally be somewhere and act like a bully?

Wouldn't it be better to be cordial and kind. Embrace a more open system if dialogue instead of putting a source on the defensive from the get go?

I know why you do it. Because you don't posess the tools necessary to do it any other way. I get that. Sometimes it's good to take stock. That's all.

But if it works and the board is growing and making money I guess that's all that matters.

 

[Crazy-Canuck]

Since the board is free to setup shop at and is uncensored that is more of a reason to be hard on new sources that come here. As you said most vets have their source and new sources are after the newer guys. Those are the ones that need protected the most.

Yeah. I guess. I'm not trying to fight with you. Just have a conversation. I hope you don't take it the wrong way. Sincerely.

 

[jaymaximus]

Yeah. I get that but sources owe you exactly nothing. You have no power. There's no mods. Plus a source isn't really after the vets who already have their own sources he's after the kids and their friends who happen to mediocre at JV football. The newbies.

I get what you're saying. I do. The source wants to fit in. But it's like he's being led to the execution pole smoking a cigarette blindfolded....lol.

It's about money though. It's always about money. Who has it. Who wants it and who's getting it.

Completely wrong. Theres no mods, so we have no power? When there are mods THEY have the power. No modd means the members have ALL the power. Sometimes thats good. Sometimes not.
If a source wants to sell on mod board all they have to do is pay, or give freebies, or suck a little mod dick. Here you have to go through the people. How are you going to sell to people if you cant deal with these people, if you cant answer simple questions, and if you cant deal with a little rudeness? Any business has rude customers, McDonalds and steroid dealers. You can either deal with them, or run off.

 

[GigaloRob]

I was around pre SSB days but I forgot my Pw it was so long ago. I left online boards in 2007 then again in 2012 cause of the drama and the busts. Just came back recently. Been online bb forums since about 2003. That's besides the point.

So acting like an elitist asshole is good for the board? Does it encourage new members to join and grow the board or does it act as insulation for the perceived privileged few so they can finally be somewhere and act like a bully?

Wouldn't it be better to be cordial and kind. Embrace a more open system if dialogue instead of putting a source on the defensive from the get go?

I know why you do it. Because you don't posess the tools necessary to do it any other way. I get that. Sometimes it's good to take stock. That's all.

But if it works and the board is growing and making money I guess that's all that matters.

Odd to me that your only interest appears to be the treatment sources receive here. Members come first, second, and third here followed by the sources in a distant fourth. You come here and proceed to take offense for sources on how they are treated? You belong on a source board where negative comments are removed. Hopefully, for your sake, then you won't be emotionally triggered to take offense on behalf of sources.

Members are the most important piece of this forum, not the sources. Your pompous condescending remarks towards members won't make you any friends here. I would say more but you won't be here long enough to warrant anymore of my time.