Scoc/Musings of a madman

[flenser]

I had that hose turned on me a few times when I first joined. Never did figure out what I did wrong : )

 

[flenser]

Even pct-shop. The guy has really sneaked under our radar. His line of oils and Orals have been updated and nobody had said a word. I seem to like 24k. We've been hard on him and he has not come out of character one bit. Guys like him deserve a shot here IMO.( just cause they will come regardless)

Damn, I thought pct-shop was just a research shop. Haven't been following him at all.

I don't think 24K has the resources or connections to be a reliable source. He may develop them in the future, but I wouldn't want to see a bunch of new members pinning his gear. He doesn't deserve a shot if he's willing to put people at risk. I think we are treating him pretty fairly, all things considered.

On a similar line of reasoning I don't think IV has the resources or connections to be a reliable source either. And I think we have been treating him with kid gloves because he's been around a long time and a lot of vets here like him.

 

[brutus79]

Damn, I thought pct-shop was just a research shop. Haven't been following him at all.

I don't think 24K has the resources or connections to be a reliable source. He may develop them in the future, but I wouldn't want to see a bunch of new members pinning his gear. He doesn't deserve a shot if he's willing to put people at risk. I think we are treating him pretty fairly, all things considered.

On a similar line of reasoning I don't think IV has the resources or connections to be a reliable source either. And I think we have been treating him with kid gloves because he's been around a long time and a lot of vets here like him.

I thought he was ancillaries as well as the name would imply. Sneaky motherfucker.

 

[Voltrader]

I don't know is 24k and One pharma being harassed or being held accountable for their statements. Iv I have yet to wander there he has slipped through my radar. The way I kind of look at is this and this role isn't necessarily for everybody but for a source that is here there are certain members that hang around. The longer some of these members are actively in a thread should start to put off warning signs because if said source was on the up and up these members would no longer be there. Its not about policing the members I am no longer going to call out scammer and no longer going to say do not buy. What I will do is give my opinion but shit what do I know at the end of the day I will not call out any member from spending their own money on any source. You earned spend it how you feel. At the same time we just can't sit back and let them come here unchecked there are questions that should and need to be answered. Until everyone finally comes to the realization that almost every source that opens shop in the underground is going to to turn or already is complete garbage. Til then somebody has to do it.

 

[Doe]

hey guys, im still pretty new here so dont know as much as you guys. ive just been lurking awhile and just recently started posting- trying to get more involved and learn! i like you make great points brutus, however i see that sources are still getting bashed here. i am afraid to ask questions in those threads because it seems like whenever someone seems to be supporting the source at all they also get the beatdown. for example, like pmac said that 24k guy hasnt once gone ape-shit like some of the other new sources. other users have pointed out he doesnt have all his shit together, but it really does seem like he's trying. on the other hand, it seems like there are some members who are selling but because of their status don't have to go through the process that sources do. stuff like that makes me confused about who and what to believe

 

[Voltrader]

hey guys, im still pretty new here so dont know as much as you guys. ive just been lurking awhile and just recently started posting- trying to get more involved and learn! i like you make great points brutus, however i see that sources are still getting bashed here. i am afraid to ask questions in those threads because it seems like whenever someone seems to be supporting the source at all they also get the beatdown. for example, like pmac said that 24k guy hasnt once gone ape-shit like some of the other new sources. other users have pointed out he doesnt have all his shit together, but it really does seem like he's trying. on the other hand, it seems like there are some members who are selling but because of their status don't have to go through the process that sources do. stuff like that makes me confused about who and what to believe

Hey you need ask what you want? Don't worry about anybody jumping on you unless it is a security risk. It is your money.

The problem sometimes is like Clamz new guys see us jumping on him but do not understand the back story there. I can not be quiet when certain people come into threads its only a few.

 

[brutus79]

hey guys, im still pretty new here so dont know as much as you guys. ive just been lurking awhile and just recently started posting- trying to get more involved and learn! i like you make great points brutus, however i see that sources are still getting bashed here. i am afraid to ask questions in those threads because it seems like whenever someone seems to be supporting the source at all they also get the beatdown. for example, like pmac said that 24k guy hasnt once gone ape-shit like some of the other new sources. other users have pointed out he doesnt have all his shit together, but it really does seem like he's trying. on the other hand, it seems like there are some members who are selling but because of their status don't have to go through the process that sources do. stuff like that makes me confused about who and what to believe

Trust nobody- it works for me. Every time I made the move to buy from a source I read the entire thread beginning to end... I asked myself- are the people beating the drums doing so over what I feel are genuine concerns? If I wasn't sure I read their individual post history so I could get a feel for that person or persons. Armed with everything at my disposal I would ask them through pm... or consult with whoever had a differing point of view. Or both. I believe on looking before I jump- mapping really. I love my money. You can ask people for help, but don't eat something wholesale out of someone's mouth ever. Draw your own conclusions based on the tools you are given and the few people you decide over time that have like minded interests feelings. It works for me.

 

[Doe]

oh, i dont plan on buying anything anytime soon, still doing my research. im just saying it's intimating for the new guy to say anything out of line with what all the older guys are saying. kind of like in brutus's 5 monkeys story. it seems like if a WKM or AM endorses or supports a source, then they are good to go regardless of any testing done, but a WKM bashes a source then everyone else hops along that train. like i used to see those auctions by nophat, i think it was and everyone was happy and had a good attitude in those threads. then you compare it to the tone used in 24k posts by members and it is very different?

 

[brutus79]

oh, i dont plan on buying anything anytime soon, still doing my research. im just saying it's intimating for the new guy to say anything out of line with what all the older guys are saying. kind of like in brutus's 5 monkeys story. it seems like if a WKM or AM endorses or supports a source, then they are good to go regardless of any testing done, but a WKM bashes a source then everyone else hops along that train. like i used to see those auctions by nophat, i think it was and everyone was happy and had a good attitude in those threads. then you compare it to the tone used in 24k posts by members and it is very different?

Thats exactly what we are trying to change. Stick around and help. Any questions just ask and you can believe some of what I say too, deal?

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

@brutus79 just made a great point, really great point. Follow that and your less likely to be ripped off.

Also the 5 monkeys story was great. Every monkey learned from the one before him is the point, self policing. I know my yr anniversary here at meso is not far away. Ive learned alot in my time here and understand the cycle of sources here. I think that's what new guys dont see. Time. It has happened to every src here EVERY fuckin one. Time helps you to understand and see this to be true. I can only imagine what another year will bring. When a source is polite and "trying" doesn't mean much. Is that a guarantee that he's not a fuck stick? No. MS was as "stand up" as they come but sold shit gear. And we all gave him a pass cuz nobody checked him. Moral of the story: give no src a free pass

 

[Doe]

thanks guys!! who is "MS", is that mikestrong? i think if anyone is going to sell stuff, whether through auctions or sourcing or whatever judge them the same way. it doesnt seem fair to give mike a pass because he was a long standing member (?) but then shit on all new sources. either shit on everyone or shit on no one (except those that deserve it...)

 

[brutus79]

thanks guys!! who is "MS", is that mikestrong? i think if anyone is going to sell stuff, whether through auctions or sourcing or whatever judge them the same way. it doesnt seem fair to give mike a pass because he was a long standing member (?) but then shit on all new sources. either shit on everyone or shit on no one (except those that deserve it...)

Deciding who deserves it is an arbitrary metric; hence the issues at hand.

 

[Doe]

@gr8whitetrukker i got a different message from the 5 monkey story...i thought it was more than just self-policing. i thought the story means that eventually the punishment wasn't even there and the monkeys could freely reach the bananas but by that point they were so conditioned to what they were already used to, they had no idea what the reason for the punishment already was. i think what brutus is saying is that when new people come here and see how the older guys act, we just act like them because that's what we see- we dont have an idea the rhyme or reason behind it, it's just what everyone is doing so we'll just do that to fit in. i think brutus is trying to change the culture here, rather than being those monkeys that just follow what the other monkeys tell them to do, challenge the status quo! don't just question the sources but also question each other, we shouldnt get comfortable with how we do things. i think it's great that @brutus79 is trying to make the community do some self reflection. as a new member, i would love to see some more coherence and togetherness in this community!!!

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

thanks guys!! who is "MS", is that mikestrong? i think if anyone is going to sell stuff, whether through auctions or sourcing or whatever judge them the same way. it doesnt seem fair to give mike a pass because he was a long standing member (?) but then shit on all new sources. either shit on everyone or shit on no one (except those that deserve it...)

Yes mike strong.

You may view it as harsh but I think sources get what they deserve here. MS was grand fathered in due to tenure before the scoc but what really fucked everybody was no bloods were done. Everyone just assumed he was g2g because of the nice guy he was and his past reputation. The new generation exposed him.

 

[brutus79]

@gr8whitetrukker i got a different message from the 5 monkey story...i thought it was more than just self-policing. i thought the story means that eventually the punishment wasn't even there and the monkeys could freely reach the bananas but by that point they were so conditioned to what they were already used to, they had no idea what the reason for the punishment already was. i think what brutus is saying is that when new people come here and see how the older guys act, we just act like them because that's what we see- we dont have an idea the rhyme or reason behind it, it's just what everyone is doing so we'll just do that to fit in. i think brutus is trying to change the culture here, rather than being those monkeys that just follow what the other monkeys tell them to do, challenge the status quo! don't just question the sources but also question each other, we shouldnt get comfortable with how we do things. i think it's great that @brutus79 is trying to make the community do some self reflection. as a new member, i would love to see some more coherence and togetherness in this community!!!

Exactly my point... of course you could switch the cold water and put in a poisoned banana that makes the monkey deathly ill amd once they catch on they are protecting each other and seem far more altruistic... which would still bring the same point home. Know why you do what you do- and doing it because someone else is isn't a good reason.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Exactly my point... of course you could switch the cold water and put in a poisoned banana that makes the monkey deathly ill amd once they catch on they are protecting each other and seem far more altruistic... which would still bring the same point home. Know why you do what you do- and doing it because someone else is isn't a good reason.

All I got from the story Is monkeys like bananas...

 

[brutus79]

All I got from the story Is monkeys like bananas...

And they don't like water evidently.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

On another note ONEPharma is doing things right here. Mass spec n all. We need more of this.

 

[MoriorInvictus]

I learned a valuable lesson from the MS situation. You cannot trust someone simply based on their "Status" here as a member. I am currently having issues with a WKM that I thought would never happen, it seems to be working itself out. But my point is you just never know!

I did my research, watched threads, read people’s reviews and made an decision based on the information I had at hand. In the end I still got the short stick. All we can do is try to watch out for one another and I feel it is very important to post the results of transactions with a Source, regardless of whom it is. It doesn't matter if you are a WKM, AM or even a Junior Member. The process in which a Source handles a situation is pertinent information that we all need to have in order for the next potential customer to make an educated decision on.

We have a saying here at my work. When you have a problem with a customer it isn't a problem at all! It is an opportunity to rise above the competition and show the customer how you handle a problem is always to put the customer first!

If only sources viewed things this way...

 

[brutus79]

So what do we think? Anyone have any observations or feedback? Any marked improvement? Absent that have we stopped a decline? Specific examples?

I know I'm up and down- I can be a saint... but I have people and sources I am not fond of and/or don't trust... tough to not light them up

Now- I know I touched on new source welcome wagons and maybe some changes, but how about existing sources? Gearline for example is a lying sack of theiving shit in my humble opinion... people like this one pharma and 24k haven't fucked anyone yet but still get harassed pretty regularly. Iv gets a total pass with questionable gear. Why any of those? Really just curious if it is the five ape / banana on a ladder firehose approach or if we really have a purpose. So feedback on existing sources- specifically and generally both needed- no right or wrong; just simple discussion.

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