Scoc/Musings of a madman

[Millard]

Has anyone read the book clockers? Excellent read... Spike Lee made it into a shitty movie- I promise the book is worth reading.

And thank you for the book review/recommendation. I have added it to my reading list

 

[brutus79]

It makes sense when a kilogram of cocaine is between $40,000 and $80,000 USD wholesale.

However, anabolic steroid powders are so cheap in comparison, are the UGLs really doing that to save what would amount to pennies and at most a dollar or two per vial? I'm not ruling it out. But is it more likely that they have no clue about the quality of their products and are at the mercy of what they receive from Chinese powder suppliers?

By no means am I trying to let anyone off the hook for producing shit product. Whether they have the best of intentions or they are purposeful scammers, the end result is the same - low quality product.

The best of intentions means nothing if the UGLs are not performing regular analytical testing on raws and finished product. And we know they aren't.

Thoughts?

That is absolutely a card in the deck- but the supplier/consumer relationship with every imported illegal drug has always been questionable and exploited by the manufacturer in my opinion. Difference in price is a chasm as far as raw product is concerned, yet the mark up in steroids is far greater. You figure 36,000 a key for roughly 36 ounces would place you at 1,000 each ounce. (I picked 36 for ease of mathematics- i would have offend them for 80 all day to you ten years ago Millard ;-)) throw 25% on that for 9 more ounces and you barely clear 25% profit- a z for 1k ain't moving fast where I came from let alone 45 of them. A properly dosed vial of juice costs 5 bucks and sells for 40. I get your point but greed is greed- it isn't about the five bucks invested, it is ALWAYS about the 40 I turn to 80. One extra vial by half dosing literally DOUBLES profits. Money is money- especially for those engaged in illegal commerce.

If the importation process is the wild card as far as incoming product quality is concerned with aas as we speculate the temptation to underdose a good batch would be greater in my opinion.

I believe raws are to blame just as much but every hand that touches it from manufacturer to remailer/retailer will skim some off the top. We are victims of it all.

 

[Millard]

A properly dosed vial of juice costs 5 bucks and sells for 40. I get your point but greed is greed- it isn't about the five bucks invested, it is ALWAYS about the 40 I turn to 80. One extra vial by half dosing literally DOUBLES profits. Money is money- especially for those engaged in illegal commerce.

Good point on this and the higher markup for AAS.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Nobody needs to be threatened it seems. Maybe my kind is extinct- it's all im good at. That and eating five guys double bacon cheeseburgers.

I think you underestimate the value you bring to Meso. Your posts are always insightful and you usually have something interesting to say. You're one of the few members whose posts I like to read. You don't always need a sledgehammer. I've seen you finesse things into place with great dexterity. Don't sell yourself short.

fortunately for your kind Brut, a large portion of our members who have been around for a minute are starting to, or already do believe, that all of us have our hands in the cookie jar in one way or another. Some have lost faith that anyone here is clean - they think that every one of us has some alterior motive, or self interest, for being here.

Many of us know this is not the case, but I am hearing it from members new and old.

I hope I haven't given the impression that I think everyone has their "hands in the cookie jar in one way or another" because I certainly don't believe that's the case. Nor have I lost faith. One of Meso's greatest strengths has always been that it's made up of members of the highest integrity of any forum, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

 

[Melly Mel from hell]

This may be the best thread I've read on meso yet. Thank you Brutus and all that contributed. A totally constructive enlightening conversation. Very very very good content.

 

[bickel29]

I think you underestimate the value you bring to Meso. Your posts are always insightful and you usually have something interesting to say. You're one of the few members whose posts I like to read. You don't always need a sledgehammer. I've seen you finesse things into place with great dexterity. Don't sell yourself short.



I hope I haven't given the impression that I think everyone has their "hands in the cookie jar in one way or another" because I certainly don't believe that's the case. Nor have I lost faith. One of Meso's greatest strengths has always been that it's made up of members of the highest integrity of any forum, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

No, no, no CBS. I certainly do not feel like you have given that impression. I am just hearing it from members, and also reading it between the lines with some posts.

You are too resilient to lose faith that easily. You have been solid and on track here at Meso since I joined. You put a lot of effort into your contributions here and it shows - way too much effort for me to think you have lost faith.

It's just something we need to be aware of amongst the populace.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

The more I learn and the more I find out of course their is sentiment about folks in on the take and dipping in to the cookie jar.
There are folks that swear up and down private sources shouldnt be here and they chase them out with vigor. Come to find these same guys use private sources and preach some thing else.

Takes a while to piece it together but its definitely there. There are more members slinging gear here under "private" designation than many would realize at first. Yet in the open they bash every source public and private. Why? Competition for their share of the cut? Any way the more I think about millards vision the more that comes to light about what he may know just isnt saying. Thats my take

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The more I learn and the more I find out of course their is sentiment about folks in on the take and dipping in to the cookie jar.
There are folks that swear up and down private sources shouldnt be here and they chase them out with vigor. Come to find these same guys use private sources and preach some thing else.

Takes a while to piece it together but its definitely there. There are more members slinging gear here under "private" designation than many would realize at first. Yet in the open they bash every source public and private. Why? Competition for their share of the cut? Any way the more I think about millards vision the more that comes to light about what he may know just isnt saying. Thats my take

Those are pretty serious allegations, GWT. What evidence do you have that this is happening?

 

[paulietuck]

but a motherfucker is gonna motherfuck.

you got that right brutus!!!!!

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Those are pretty serious allegations, GWT. What evidence do you have that this is happening?

Im not pointing fingers at any one in particular

Sure as hell not playing politics here.

I dont care to fight to the board about some thing i know to be fact.

The fact i know is awesome. Im proud of it too. Sure explains alot

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Im not pointing fingers at any one in particular

Sure as hell not playing politics here.

I dont care to fight to the board about some thing i know to be fact.

The fact i know is awesome. Im proud of it too. Sure explains alot

It's got nothing to do with politics, GWT. You can't drop a bomb like that and then fail to back it up. The calls for you to post proof are only going to get louder so if you have something, let's hear it.

 

[bickel29]

Im not pointing fingers at any one in particular

Sure as hell not playing politics here.

I dont care to fight to the board about some thing i know to be fact.

The fact i know is awesome. Im proud of it too. Sure explains alot

Johnson, you living right tonight, man?

You sure this is something you want to get into here, tonight? I ain't trying to stifle you - just looking out for you in case you've been getting after it some.

Edit: I have nothing to hide, so that's not my motivation, here.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Unfortunately for your kind Brut, a large portion of our members who have been around for a minute are starting to, or already do believe, that all of us have our hands in the cookie jar in one way or another. Some have lost faith that anyone here is clean - they think that every one of us has some alterior motive, or self interest, for being here.

Many of us know this is not the case, but I am hearing it from members new and old.

What's that old saying? Perception is reality?

The more I learn and the more I find out of course their is sentiment about folks in on the take and dipping in to the cookie jar.
There are folks that swear up and down private sources shouldnt be here and they chase them out with vigor. Come to find these same guys use private sources and preach some thing else.

Takes a while to piece it together but its definitely there. There are more members slinging gear here under "private" designation than many would realize at first. Yet in the open they bash every source public and private. Why? Competition for their share of the cut? Any way the more I think about millards vision the more that comes to light about what he may know just isnt saying. Thats my take

Who?! I know of 3 sources here that call themselves private and are pretty open about it.. Who are you talking about? PM me if need be.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

It's got nothing to do with politics, GWT. You can't drop a bomb like that and then fail to back it up. The calls for you to post proof are only going to get louder so if you have something, let's hear it.

Johnson, you living right tonight, man?

You sure this is something you want to get into here, tonight? I ain't trying to stifle you - just looking out for you in case you've been getting after it some.

Edit: I have nothing to hide, so that's not my motivation, here.

Yea, seriously... ^^

GW, what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Melly Mel from hell]

This may be the best thread I've read on meso yet. Thank you Brutus and all that contributed. A totally constructive enlightening conversation. Very very very good content.

I spoke to soon.

 

[Millard]

Unfortunately for your kind Brut, a large portion of our members who have been around for a minute are starting to, or already do believe, that all of us have our hands in the cookie jar in one way or another. Some have lost faith that anyone here is clean - they think that every one of us has some alterior motive, or self interest, for being here.

Many of us know this is not the case, but I am hearing it from members new and old.

I hope I haven't given the impression that I think everyone has their "hands in the cookie jar in one way or another" because I certainly don't believe that's the case. Nor have I lost faith. One of Meso's greatest strengths has always been that it's made up of members of the highest integrity of any forum, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

I am just hearing it from members, and also reading it between the lines with some posts.

I regret to hear that the discussion about private sources has led to this sentiment. There are apparently many members who use private sources. The discussion is NOT a condemnation of those who use private sources.

It is a criticism of several unintended consequences that may arise. MESO really needs everyone's help to recognize and address these issues.

Much like the discussion about the SCOC was NOT a debate of "no source discussion" vs. "yes source discussion", the discussion about private sources is NOT a debate of "no private sources" vs. "yes private sources".

If anyone has tuned out to this discussion, I encourage them to revisit.

 

[Millard]

There are folks that swear up and down private sources shouldnt be here and they chase them out with vigor. Come to find these same guys use private sources and preach some thing else.

There was once a time on MESO when the prevailing belief was you were either a "member" or you were a "source". You couldn't be both. Anyone who failed to disclose their source affiliation was unceremoniously outed.

In recent months, this belief has been abandoned. Now, it is perfectly fine to be a "member" AND a "source". You can apparently do both. These members-masquerading-as-sources are no longer unceremoniously outed. Furthermore, their secret double identity is actively protected. The key is you must designate yourself as a "private source".

This shift has concerned many people.

It is not the use of private sources that is a problem.

The problem is the unintended consequences.

The problem is that those private sources are masquerading as regular members on MESO while exploiting the community for commercial gain.

The problem is the leaking of information about the existence of private sources; this feeds into human psychology of other members wanting what they cant' have and/or wanting to be part of this exclusive group.

The problem is the promotion of the myth that the product quality of private sources is superior to public sources.

The problem is application of a double standard that promotes heavy scrutiny of public sources but gives private sources a pass because they are "friends", because they "trust" them, or because the private sources have "the best interests of the community at heart."

The problem is the active encouragement and nurturing of the rise of private sourcing on MESO as a replacement to the SCOC.

There are many good reasons for using private sources. But I think we all need to recognize and address the aforementioned issues.

The more I learn and the more I find out of course their is sentiment about folks in on the take and dipping in to the cookie jar.

Takes a while to piece it together but its definitely there. There are more members slinging gear here under "private" designation than many would realize at first. Yet in the open they bash every source public and private. Why? Competition for their share of the cut? Any way the more I think about millards vision the more that comes to light about what he may know just isnt saying. Thats my take

I am not withholding any information. I have not seen what you have described is happening on MESO. Although recent events could create the perception that it is happening (particularly among critics of the MESO forum). If it ever does happen, then members need to act.

I firmly believe that there is a high level of integrity among MESO members; they are genuinely interested in improving the community and helping improve the situation in the underground.

I am hope my observations and criticisms are seen as constructive. We are working towards the same goal.

 

[heady muscle]

I am hope my observations and criticisms are seen as constructive. We are working towards the same goal.

Yes, well said.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

It is not the use of private sources that is a problem

The problem is that those private sources are masquerading as regular members on MESO while exploiting the community for commercial gain.

The problem is application of a double standard that promotes heavy scrutiny of public sources but gives private sources a pass because they are "friends", because they "trust" them, or because the private sources have "the best interests of the community at heart."
.

This I like VERY much. Its not the use of private sources that concerns me. There are members here who will receive a pass and any scrutiny will quickly be diverted. Im not willing too nor am I strong enough to take this on myself. Im not in the business of trying to ruin some body else's but one would be extremely ignorant to say this isnt happening. I know their are others who share my sentiment. Many are too content to say anything. Which is probably smart. I do realize my opinion is unpopular but i dont care. But life on meso will continue as is. This is too tall a mountain to climb

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

This I like VERY much. Its not the use of private sources that concerns me. There are members here who will receive a pass and any scrutiny will quickly be diverted. Im not willing too nor am I strong enough to take this on myself. Im not in the business of trying to ruin some body else's but one would be extremely ignorant to say this isnt happening. I know their are others who share my sentiment. Many are too content to say anything. Which is probably smart. I do realize my opinion is unpopular but i dont care. But life on meso will continue as is. This is too tall a mountain to climb

What I don't understand is why you'd say anything in the first place then? You must be unsure about what you were going off about last night.

The more I learn and the more I find out of course their is sentiment about folks in on the take and dipping in to the cookie jar.
There are folks that swear up and down private sources shouldnt be here and they chase them out with vigor. Come to find these same guys use private sources and preach some thing else.

Takes a while to piece it together but its definitely there. There are more members slinging gear here under "private" designation than many would realize at first. Yet in the open they bash every source public and private. Why? Competition for their share of the cut? Any way the more I think about millards vision the more that comes to light about what he may know just isnt saying. Thats my take

Guys chase out private sources but use them themselves? How many members are "slinging gear under private designation"? Like I said I know of a whole whopping 3 here. You're making it sound like everyone is in on this.

Im not pointing fingers at any one in particular

Sure as hell not playing politics here.

I dont care to fight to the board about some thing i know to be fact.

The fact i know is awesome. Im proud of it too. Sure explains alot

Explains what? Your posts in this thread are extremely harmful to Meso's reputation and frankly it pisses me off. I've put a lot of my time into this site and never made a freaking dime off of it. I'm very critical of sources here and your posts seem to say that anyone that is is wiping out competition and on the take?

Again, here we have "semi-private" voodoo, nophat auctions, and ultimate. Who are ALL these members you're talking about?