Scoc/Musings of a madman

[Archimedes]

But sometimes the tenacity shown by the above mentioned members will be needed. I appreciate the brutal honesty if JohnnyBALLZ, CBS, bb69 & yes Brutus to just name a few.

The problem is the approach. We yell at people for not reading the 689 pages in one thread in the underground, which at least 9/10 of the information is just people fighting, or spaming the thread.

Providing vaulable information for members should earn you repect, not just the date you join.

This is the best thread I've seen here. I hope it changes the culture here a bit, as this is a good section of the board; even with all the UGL issues of late.

 

[Big_paul]

So happy 2015 everyone! I have been noticing a few things lately that disturb me a bit and feel the need to address them in no particular order.

1. The scoc is well Intentioned, but for all intents and purposes it is worthless. The ideas are great but not enforceable. The division among meso membership even has people telling the source not to worry about conforming to the scoc- they will get orders no matter what. They are right.

2. The approach taken with new sources is wrong in my opinion. All this chest thumping, ego driven attack puts the "source" on the defensive. .. but I feel it undermines our credibility not only "on the street", but also among other members old and new. If we are confrontational to the extreme in the beginning and at the end, plus eveey time we sense an issue we simply become a parody of ourselves... Why not take the approach that the ideas in the scoc be the questions we calmly ask the source about? Why flip out when they say no to something? We can't do shit about it anyway, right? Just make it known why we feel it is a concern they do not reveal or follow tenets of the scoc.

3. Stop harassing newbies who buy- and that means don't smash the thread with "DO NOT BUY SCAMMER" shit when we actually have no proof of scamming... it seems we just yell scammer when they refuse to bend toward our egomaniacal ways- and that isn't right either. People that buy- newbies especially- are gonna buy pretty much no matter what. If we encourage feedback, encourage bloods and encourage labmax use by new members we will have an ever-expanding network of like minded, knowledgeable colleagues. Instead of getting burned and sheepishly running back silently with their tail between their legs they will provide valuable feedback.

4. More bloods. More labmax. We are doing great- I think the strength for the future lies in a larger, well informed membership of empowered individuals. When someone posts asking for a source someone should be VERY NICE- AND NOBODY SHOULD BE A FUCKING ASSHOLE IN THE THREAD. This drives them right to the scammer sources with their flashing neon lights for the ignorant. Explain things. Cut and paste a "reasons why" for a newbie thread. Something that doesn't make someone buy from a scammer and leave the board thinking we are the assholes who drove them to it.

We need more of us- not more enemies. I am finished taking the gargantuan shit I took as I wrote this but I would like to hear feedback from both sides of the fence.

@Millard Baker @Burrr @CensoredBoardsSuck @Oregongearhead @weighted chinup @Masters Power @johnnyBALLZ @flenser @pumpingiron22 @Colt44 @Voltrader @gr8whitetrukker @biggerben69

If I forgot to tag you just be happy you aren't on my mind while I take a shit.

This just reaffirms my faith that people can change for the better. Ty

 

[greenddog1]

And the only way to fix a loud mouth is a fat cock in the mouth... Stupid... your a joke!!!

If youu had really read CBS's post you would realize he was agreeing with the Brutus proposal, but as he has seen over and over, the impatient and conviently blind noobs will still attempt to obtain products from either a new untested or known bad lab. I share in his frustration, but you can only do so much to inform and educate.

It's up to the individual to make the right choices. You're always going to have those that will make the buy regardless of the info out there. Hopefully, after being burned they will settle down and begin to do the research before making that impulse buy.

Whats wrong with your response is that it doen't make sense and was totally unwarranted. Unless of course, you are one of those guys who don't learn from their mistakes and keep getting burned. The "posse" has nothing to do with the resposes back to you, it's your tone on a subject that you clearly did not understand.

 

[JackC4]

But back to @brutus79 other point. Who hacked your account lol?

Your one of the top 3 most ferocious members here lol
1 biggerben69
2 brutus79
3 probably Jballz

Im confused?

My first thought exactly.

All that bravado and chest thumping guys do, does make us look bad throughout. Also the piling on that can take place I agree. Regardless I don't believe any reliable source can succeed/ survive here.

 

[fokai500]

This is the most rationale thing I've read since coming back from vacation. No lie with all the bickering and bullshit I've read I've chosen to move away. Sole purpose for me coming here in the first place was to be able to interact with fellow brothers with the same interest in an unmoderated uncensored environment. Everybody should be able to share thier experience without being labeled a scammer or schill. Not all of us here have been blessed with private ugls. So we have to ask more questions do more research and pull the trigger to find out for ourselves and Meso should be the place where we can all share our unbiased experience with a source. You will never be able to stop sourcing on here wether in the open or in pm's but we can give new members a heads up on what to expect from sources. Just my 2¢.

 

[Doe]

i dont understand this, everywhere i look it stills seems you guys are shitting on any sources here. fucking confused because it seems like one thing is said and another thing is done. then a different thing is said and a different thing is done...

 

[Fckit]

i dont understand this, everywhere i look it stills seems you guys are shitting on any sources here. fucking confused because it seems like one thing is said and another thing is done. then a different thing is said and a different thing is done...

A little advice bro. Don't look for a source here. If you want true, unfiltered, uncensored feedback on a source, the underground is your place. Stick around, get to know a few people, ask questions. Check out the other boards here. Put in some time and I'm sure you'll get pointed in the right direction

 

[Doe]

ah that makes more sense, just trying to do my research, thanks!

 

[Raider72]

If you come here exclusively to find a source you might go nuts & probably get burned. Learn, ask questions and watch. Try and filter out all the garbage & look for facts. Those that are testing product are doing members a great service and most are willing to help, give input & answer questions. It can be a slow process but well worth it in the long run.

 

[rpbb]

the lab testing section is phenomenal, it's great that people will spend their money and take the time to help other people out

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

the lab testing section is phenomenal, it's great that people will spend their money and take the time to help other people out

This goes out to all the new members like yourself. Lab max and especially bloods help the community every time. Gonna run a cycle? Consider blood work part of the cost of that cycle. Post the results. It keeps ugl's on their toes and helps other members decide whether they want to buy a particular product. If we all do it and post it we cover MORE ground that way than just a small handful of members doing all the testing.

 

[rpbb]

This goes out to all the new members like yourself. Lab max and especially bloods help the community every time. Gonna run a cycle? Consider blood work part of the cost of that cycle. Post the results. It keeps ugl's on their toes and helps other members decide whether they want to buy a particular product. If we all do it and post it we cover MORE ground that way than just a small handful of members doing all the testing.

you're absolutely right, going to have to order some labmax kits. it's very difficult and expensive to get bloodwork done in NY

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

you're absolutely right, going to have to order some labmax kits. it's very difficult and expensive to get bloodwork done in NY

Labsmd

Privatelabsmd

 

[old bro]

As great as labs are there only as accurate as the batch thats tested and there inlies the problem with every single ugl "consitancey". So even when a lab scores great like a few at meso have they can fall very fast and usually when the lab has a large following.
I find labs are best at letting ppl know a bad ugl but i put zero faith in anything testing positive. Its great were tryn to better the community like they say there are no stupid ideas.

 

[Blacken]

Extremely well said @brutus79

 

[hardbodygirl]

@brutus79
I'll 2nd that... very well put!

 

[pmac928]

you're absolutely right, going to have to order some labmax kits. it's very difficult and expensive to get bloodwork done in NY

Labsdirect will get it done for you, I'm right next door and I have the same issue

 

[brutus79]

So what do we think? Anyone have any observations or feedback? Any marked improvement? Absent that have we stopped a decline? Specific examples?

I know I'm up and down- I can be a saint... but I have people and sources I am not fond of and/or don't trust... tough to not light them up

Now- I know I touched on new source welcome wagons and maybe some changes, but how about existing sources? Gearline for example is a lying sack of theiving shit in my humble opinion... people like this one pharma and 24k haven't fucked anyone yet but still get harassed pretty regularly. Iv gets a total pass with questionable gear. Why any of those? Really just curious if it is the five ape / banana on a ladder firehose approach or if we really have a purpose. So feedback on existing sources- specifically and generally both needed- no right or wrong; just simple discussion.

 

[pmac928]

Even pct-shop. The guy has really sneaked under our radar. His line of oils and Orals have been updated and nobody had said a word. I seem to like 24k. We've been hard on him and he has not come out of character one bit. Guys like him deserve a shot here IMO.( just cause they will come regardless)

 

[brutus79]

Good read if you wondered what I was talking about. Applies here.


It's a story about an experiment with 5 monkeys. The 5 monkeys were kept in a cage with a ladder. Some bananas were kept on the top of the ladder. Whenever one of the monkeys would climb the ladder to get the bananas, all the monkeys were sprayed with ice cold water. Soon, the monkeys begin to police thmeselves, and would prevent any other monkey from climbing the ladder. Eventually, the cold water was turned off, but the monkeys kept policing themselves. Then, one monkey was removed, and another monkey put in it's place. Sure, the monkey didn't know about the forbidden bananas (must be rotten by now), so when it tried to get the banana, the other monkeys would stop him. Soon, the new monkey started policing the other monkeys too. Eventually, one by one all the monkeys were replaced in the group, but the monkeys kept policing themselves, even though none of the original monkeys weren't there and the reason for policing themselves was not existent