Sending AAS samples to independent, accredited laboratory in Europe

[insertnamehere]

It is a very expensive project. The HPLC-UV quantitative dosge testing costs over $200. Microbiological testing? Another $100. Heavy metal testing? Roughly another $100. So, the project will definitely need to take in some $$$ to keep it funded.

If we can find 500 members (or 500 people anywhere on the Internet for that matter) who are willing to donate $10 per month, then that will be enough to ensure to continued viability of the program.

I've concluded donations are the only way to keep it going.

You can count me in.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I'm prepared to weather the fallout from the publication of the lab results because I believe the community will have my back on this.

AAS users everywhere will have your back on this. There will be attacks and attempts to discredit Meso, you, and the testing itself - by sources, reps and "members" of the community with undisclosed vested interests, and the attacks will be vicious. That I am certain. However, you can rest assured that Meso is strong and there are members here who are willing to fight this battle - indeed, eager to fight this battle - and for that reason, Meso, you, and the testing program will easily weather this storm.

Props to you for doing this, Millard. Sources better take notice because this will be a game changer.

 

[bickel29]

That is a very interesting suggestion. The big concern would be the legal risks involved for Labmax testers receiving product under the direction of the program. The Swiss lab is fully licensed to receive and analyze anabolic steroids and controlled substances. So there is no legal risk there.

Is it possible, and would it be deemed credible, to have someone on the Swiss end also perform Labmax testing on the same gear?

 

[Millard]

AAS users everywhere will have your back on this. There will be attacks and attempts to discredit Meso, you, and the testing itself - by sources, reps and "members" of the community with undisclosed vested interests, and the attacks will be vicious. That I am certain. However, you can rest assured that Meso is strong and there are members here who are willing to fight this battle - indeed, eager to fight this battle - and for that reason, Meso, you, and the testing program will easily weather this storm.

Props to you for doing this, Millard. Sources better take notice because this will be a game changer.

Thanks! You guys are here day in and day out relentlessly fighting the battles. I don't think I'll have to do a lot of convincing that this is a battle worth winning.

I should note that while MESO will be contributing to the program and promoting it in any way it can, the lab testing program will be separate from MESO. It will be on its own website and all fundraising on its behalf will go exclusively to the operational costs of running the program. I think this is the way it must be.

 

[Millard]

Is it possible, and would it be deemed credible, to have someone on the Swiss end also perform Labmax testing on the same gear?

Yes, yes that is possible!

 

[element00]

If anyone questions how meso is different from other boards... They can be sent right here to have a look at this thread.
Internationally this is by far a stand out approach to reducing harms for people who use AAS. Millard, your work and commitment is nothing less than impressive.
The looking out you do behind the scenes, along with the guys looking out across meso, certainly makes this the place to come for evidence informed information

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Is it possible, and would it be deemed credible, to have someone on the Swiss end also perform Labmax testing on the same gear?

I think this testing program will make Labmax - whether it works as advertised or not - a thing of the past. Sourcing is a competitive business and if sources know their gear is subject to random testing by an independent, accredited lab - a lab whose results they cannot refute, quality is going to rise for the sources that have the means to do so. It will have to if they wish to remain competitive. Hopefully, this will finally be the end of the startup bathtub operations that have no business sourcing in the first place.

 

[brutus79]

I think this testing program will make Labmax - whether it works as advertised or not - a thing of the past. Sourcing is a competitive business and if sources know their gear is subject to random testing by an independent, accredited lab - a lab whose results they cannot refute, quality is going to rise for the sources that have the means to do so. It will have to if they wish to remain competitive. Hopefully, this will finally be the end of the startup bathtub operations that have no business sourcing in the first place.

While labmax is archaic and fallible it would still be the quickest, easiest and cheapest way to quantify where there may be issues with suplliers assuming it stands up to this lab testing. If we can quantify the success rate of Labmax with the lab it will at least be a fairly instantaneous way of calling out problems and quieting the labmax naysayers assuming it comes to light that it is fairly accurate. If it comes back as worthless or woefully inaccurate we can also stop people from wasting money on blacklists and test vials.

 

[Millard]

If anyone questions how meso is different from other boards... They can be sent right here to have a look at this thread.
Internationally this is by far a stand out approach to reducing harms for people who use AAS. Millard, your work and commitment is nothing less than impressive.
The looking out you do behind the scenes, along with the guys looking out across meso, certainly makes this the place to come for evidence informed information

This means a lot coming from someone with your background in the harm reduction space. Thank you

 

[Millard]

FYI, the 5 steroid manufacturers and underground labs selected for scrutiny in the first batch of testing are some of the largest, most well-funded, longest-running operations who often make the boldest claims about the quality of their products.

All 5 labs have been around for 5-10 years. Most either claim to (1) produce the products in their own manufacturing facilities; or (2) produce their products in pharmaceutical contract manufacturing facilities; or (3) perform their own internal quality control lab testing to validate their products.

 

[brutus79]

FYI, the 5 steroid manufacturers and underground labs selected for scrutiny in the first batch of testing are some of the largest, most well-funded, longest-running operations who often make the boldest claims about the quality of their products.

All 5 labs have been around for 5-10 years. Most either claim to (1) produce the products in their own manufacturing facilities; or (2) produce their products in pharmaceutical contract manufacturing facilities; or (3) perform their own internal quality control lab testing to validate their products.

This is going to be an epic start. Let me know where my donations are going- pm in your inbox.

 

[Millard]

This is going to be an epic start. Let me know where my donations are going- pm in your inbox.

I'll likely start a crowdfunding campaign with either gofundme, indiegogo or crowdrise depending on what their respective legal tells me. This will offer several convenient methods of payment and allow everyone to see how much progress we are making towards our goal. Of course, Bitcoin will always be an option too.

 

[element00]

This is going to be an epic start. Let me know where my donations are going- pm in your inbox.

Game changer? Just imagining those sources who say they've come here and can whether the storm. This testing could bypass a lot of the claims they like to make

 

[Ranger_Bane88]

I know I'm a new member and have yet to even run my 1st cycle but god damn I'm excited to be a part of a community with so much knowledge and comradeship to want to help us new guys not Fuck ourselves up will be more than willing to donate what I can thank you guys

 

[johnnyrotten94]

I'll likely start a crowdfunding campaign with either gofundme, indiegogo or crowdrise depending on what their respective legal tells me. This will offer several convenient methods of payment and allow everyone to see how much progress we are making towards our goal. Of course, Bitcoin will always be an option too.

I'm very excited about the direction you're going! It's going to be epic! Very glad that I joined this community, not only is there a plethora of members with such a vast amount of knowledge for EVERYONE to benefit from, but now, it's put up, or shut up time for these legitimate labs, as well as these bathtub brewers. Thanks a million guys...thanks Millard! You're ALL top notch! Excited to make a contribution!

 

[Sampei]

@Millard Baker

How many samples for each UGL?

I was thinking that we should test the most expensive and exotic compounds of each of each UGL, to easy to get a pass on maybe test and fail primo/tren.

I'm willing to donate 100%!
Looking forward to the website.

Can we as donors participate in a pool where we decide what UGL
To test? Maybe an hidden pool so no one except you see the results.

Will HGH be able to
Be tested? That would be another game breaking. I have already 5-6 generic hgh that should be analysed

 

[tipdog]

I'm so glad to see this finally going forward!

 

[Xeno Pharmaceuticals]

I think this can help be funded greatly in part by any UGL's who would like to source on Meso. Other boards charge 500$ a month or so to be listed as a source. Meso could enact a user based policy similiar to the SCOC that would require sources to donate x amount of money per month to be recognized as a viable lab. Millard will inform the board which sources have complied with the member imposed donation requirement. Sources will be labeled by the community as compliant or non-compliant. If this became standard i cant see non-compliant sources/scammers getting much buisness.

5 UGL's donating 500$ would already cover half the cost of testing per month.

As a UGL i would not be opposed to this and any other worthwhile UGL will not be either.

-XENO

 

[Maxwille]

Even though i've yet to start a cycle, i'll gladly contribute to this project.
@Millard Baker will you make the results public, or only for those wo've donated?

Max

 

[element00]

I think this can help be funded greatly in part by any UGL's who would like to source on Meso. Other boards charge 500$ a month or so to be listed as a source. Meso could enact a user based policy similiar to the SCOC that would require sources to donate x amount of money per month to be recognized as a viable lab. Millard will inform the board which sources have complied with the member imposed donation requirement. Sources will be labeled by the community as compliant or non-compliant. If this became standard i cant see non-compliant sources/scammers getting much buisness.

5 UGL's donating 500$ would already cover half the cost of testing per month.

As a UGL i would not be opposed to this and any other worthwhile UGL will not be either.

-XENO

I think you're missing the point