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[lifter6973]

@Methyl Mike thanks for the info btw

 

[Methyl Mike]

You can’t get a placebo effect from something that you never believed was physically possible. For this fakakta theory to be true I’d have had to believe that taking GH could cause a hypertensive crisis. Instead I assumed I would take it and nothing would happen. I don’t think you’re serving the goal of harm reduction by telling people “high blood pressure is all in your head, just ignore it”. That’s fairly dangerous advice to be handing out, man.

Wait when did you experience a GH induced hypertensive crisis? News to me.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Wait, you have a diary?

I keep track of everything on my phone. My meals sleep lifting my shots etc. I thought everybody did.

 

[RackPuller]

Yeah. Ran the 240s before that too. Best value in the game.

but is the real value in running the highr quality at at lower dose?

 

[Methyl Mike]

but is the real value in running the highr quality at at lower dose?

Thats my opinion. I looked at the testing results and you get what you pay for as the 240s didnt look so hot in my opinion. I mean the 120s are very comparable to "pharm grade" at nearly 1/3 of the cost. Opti is the needle in the haystack we all hoped we could find. Thats my opinion anyway.

 

[lifter6973]

I keep track of everything on my phone. My meals sleep lifting my shots etc. I thought everybody did.

sorry, I thought you meant like a diary you write in and put under your bed and shit

 

[RackPuller]

Thats my opinion. I looked at the testing results and you get what you pay for as the 240s didnt look so hot in my opinion. I mean the 120s are very comparable to "pharm grade" at nearly 1/3 of the cost. Opti is the needle in the haystack we all hoped we could find. Thats my opinion anyway.

The current high iu option has 3% dimer and 97% at 27.5iu/vial at a awesome cost, but, I’ve never had such a high dimer protein content I worry if I’ll be stuck with carpel tunnel and swollen ankles- which I don’t get from these <1% dimer reading gh don’t really except for when I ran tp greys those fucked me up

 

[RackPuller]

sorry, I thought you meant like a diary you write in and put under your bed and shit

I do that

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Wait when did you experience a GH induced hypertensive crisis? News to me.

So you jumped in to the conversation without knowing the context and chose to opine. Again, that’s not great for harm reduction. You are of course always free to voice any opinion you’d like, but the general goal here should be to protect members from bad information that could end up hurting them.

 

[Methyl Mike]

So you jumped in to the conversation without knowing the context and chose to opine. Again, that’s not great for harm reduction. You are of course always free to voice any opinion you’d like, but the general goal here should be to protect members from bad information that could end up hurting them.

I was being sarcastic dingus.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

I was being sarcastic dingus.

Under what circumstances would that be a reasonable conclusion to draw based on what you had said? You legit told me that my high BP was in my head. What am I supposed to think? I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here because I assume members here are acting in good faith unless I know otherwise.

 

[Methyl Mike]

The current high iu option has 3% dimer and 97% at 27.5iu/vial at a awesome cost, but, I’ve never had such a high dimer protein content I worry if I’ll be stuck with carpel tunnel and swollen ankles- which I don’t get from these <1% dimer reading gh don’t really except for when I ran tp greys those fucked me up

From what I have read and heard there seem to be big differences in results and side effects from what appear to be small variances in purity with GH. IE pharm tests out lets say 99.7% purity while generic x tests out at 99.4% (what appears to be very little difference) yet user feedback consistently tells a different story. Experienced GH users will usually almost always say the jump in price (going from 99.4 to 99.7 mind you) is totally worth it.

Now ask yourself if you are willing to not only accept much lower purity than the 99.7 but you are also getting at least 3% dimer contamination as well? If a tiny drop in purity affects the potency enough users would tend to pay nearly three times the price (actually pharm prices vary a LOT from ~3 75 per iu up to 6-7 and higher) I am just going to assume lowering the purity even more and adding dimer is just not the business.

I am not a scientist but I will make an educated guess that its best to draw your line in the sand with GH. At some point you have to be better off either saving your money until you can afford better or buying what you can afford and running lower doses.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Under what circumstances would that be a reasonable conclusion to draw based on what you had said? You legit told me that my high BP was in my head. What am I supposed to think? I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here because I assume members here are acting in good faith unless I know otherwise.

Your definition of a "GH induced hypertensive crisis" and the rest of the worlds definition are what I called into question. I lost a close friend to CHF, I watched his body die off piece by piece slowly, painfully. It took nearly five years to kill him. His blood pressure on a normal day before his heart attack was close to double your "crisis" numbers and was like that probably his entire adult life. Try being less dramatic for one and two before your panties get all bunched over a blood pressure reading most of this forum havent seen in years try eliminating possible reasons for the high reading. Cuff too tight? Had you been active just prior? Drink coffee? Use stimulants? How about stress or anxiety? Couldnt find the time to rub one out that morning?

I have had my scares over time and yet kept my head cool and I simply focused and found answers. Try that.

 

[Richard322]

The current high iu option has 3% dimer and 97% at 27.5iu/vial at a awesome cost, but, I’ve never had such a high dimer protein content I worry if I’ll be stuck with carpel tunnel and swollen ankles- which I don’t get from these <1% dimer reading gh don’t really except for when I ran tp greys those fucked me up

I run the opti 280, which is the 27 iu vial. I have cts and swollen ankles. I went from 600 carbs a day to 0 carbs a it literally cut these side effects in half. But with any gh I’ve ever done I always get the same side effect even pharma grade. I always thought the side effects where dose dependent. I was doing 10 iu twice a day that was the worst. When I do 3 iu 5 times daily I know it’s 5 iu less total than 20, but side effects are cut in half doing that. Not sure why but no carbs make a big difference and speading the dose out threw out the day.

 

[Richard322]

Your definition of a "GH induced hypertensive crisis" and the rest of the worlds definition are what I called into question. I lost a close friend to CHF, I watched his body die off piece by piece slowly, painfully. It took nearly five years to kill him. His blood pressure on a normal day before his heart attack was close to double your "crisis" numbers and was like that probably his entire adult life. Try being less dramatic for one and two before your panties get all bunched over a blood pressure reading most of this forum havent seen in years try eliminating possible reasons for the high reading. Cuff too tight? Had you been active just prior? Drink coffee? Use stimulants? How about stress or anxiety? Couldnt find the time to rub one out that morning?

I have had my scares over time and yet kept my head cool and I simply focused and found answers. Try that.

Sorry for your loss bud, blood pressure is important and obviously anything to do with our health. For me gh raises my blood pressure a little around 130/80. Cialis does the trick for me.

 

[penche]

Cant say enough great things about my man Opti. The man just delivers and fast at that. Excellent product, always.

 

[Richard322]

Cant say enough great things about my man Opti. The man just delivers and fast at that. Excellent product, always.

Opti is an all star!! 5 star product, immediate service every time.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Your definition of a "GH induced hypertensive crisis" and the rest of the worlds definition are what I called into question.

“A hypertensive crisis is a severe increase in blood pressure that can lead to a stroke. Extremely high blood pressure — a top number (systolic pressure) of 180 millimeters of mercury (mm Hg) or higher or a bottom number (diastolic pressure) of 120 mm Hg or higher — can damage blood vessels.”

Literally the definition, per the Mayo Clinic.

“A hypertensive (high blood pressure or HBP) crisis is when blood pressure rises quickly and severely with readings of 180/120 or greater.”

And that’s from the American Heart Association.

I didn’t just make it up on a whim to be dramatic, I used the actual medical terminology.

 

[Streetfighter V4]

I run the opti 280, which is the 27 iu vial. I have cts and swollen ankles. I went from 600 carbs a day to 0 carbs a it literally cut these side effects in half. But with any gh I’ve ever done I always get the same side effect even pharma grade. I always thought the side effects where dose dependent. I was doing 10 iu twice a day that was the worst. When I do 3 iu 5 times daily I know it’s 5 iu less total than 20, but side effects are cut in half doing that. Not sure why but no carbs make a big difference and speading the dose out threw out the day.

Too much carbs will bloat u, regardless of gh, its called carbo(hydrate) as in a cause to absorb water.

now dimer plays a role here aswell how bloated u will get on x amount of carbs

 

[Richard322]

Too much carbs will bloat u, regardless of gh, its called carbo(hydrate) as in a cause to absorb water.

now dimer plays a role here aswell how bloated u will get on x amount of carbs

True strait protium diet is a diarredic in itself. Definitely hold more water on gh though. What is dimmer. I see it discussed on the forum know what people say but what exactly is it?